Forum: empire-en

Board: [580] Update Questions & Feedback

Topic: [381853] May 2021 Update Feedback

[5193583] Lady Iris (US1) [US1] :: June 4, 2021, 3:41 p.m.

GGE talks about stock imbalance, but it IS really about the sales....

The main item that points this out is the Silver to Gold coin trade, which remains the same ratio of 5 Silver to acquire 1 Gold coin.
However, the Gold to Silver trade ratio has diminished from 1 Gold for 3 Silver down to 1 Gold for 2 Silver, making it even harder to buy the Standard Stocks. You will no longer get 30K Silver for 10K Gold Coins.
It is almost as if there is no difference between the value of gold and silver IF you are trading for silver, and complete highway robbery now when reversed.
Also, the limited supplies, in the Silver coin shop page, are all increasingly priced variants of the same tools! 
You are allowed to buy 11 sets for X amount of Silver coins, but the next 11 of the exact same tools are  priced nearly 4X higher, and then a 3rd wave of the same tools are priced even higher.
This penalizes you for using more and more tools, without buying rubies to get them.
So, they say they have an imbalance, but really they are just not getting enough "REAL" currency for their pixels.
Forget Storm, it may just be time to quit playing altogether...
This greed is neverending, and I'm tired of the constant changes to force ruby sales down players throats.

[5193629] poiuyt (WORLD1) [None] :: June 4, 2021, 4:07 p.m.

why didn't they devided the gold/silver berimond chest as well as the normal/gold book (and why didn't happend the same to sam)

[5193657] commando (US1) [US1] :: June 4, 2021, 4:26 p.m.

GGE has been trying to force the free to play and minimum pay to play to leave for a long time.  they should just announce that the game is going to be pay a lot to play and just get it over with. 

[5193660] Wasso (INT3) [INT3] :: June 4, 2021, 4:31 p.m.

https://community.goodgamestudios.com/empire/en/discussion/comment/5191396#Comment_5191396

Called it.........

[5193715] Poseidon [Moderator] :: June 4, 2021, 5:12 p.m.

Please look at this for a more detailed explanation.

[5193740] Lady Iris (US1) [US1] :: June 4, 2021, 5:30 p.m.

That's all fine and well, and Thank You for that explanation Poseidon, BUT...it has nothing to do with the rate of exchange for the gold to silver coins. THAT is an extreme rip off, and gives us less silver coins to procure what has already been limited. That rate of exchange has nothing to do with the imbalance, the ratio was borderline unfair to begin with.

[5193742] Poseidon [Moderator] :: June 4, 2021, 5:32 p.m.

Lady Iris (US1) said:

That's all fine and well, and Thank You for that explanation Poseidon, BUT...it has nothing to do with the rate of exchange for the gold to silver coins. THAT is an extreme rip off, and gives us less silver coins to procure what has already been limited. That rate of exchange has nothing to do with the imbalance, the ratio was borderline unfair to begin with.

It all ties together.

[5193759] Lady Iris (US1) [US1] :: June 4, 2021, 5:46 p.m.

The rate of exchange is 1 away from 1 for 1..totally ludicrous!

[5193809] commando (US1) [US1] :: June 4, 2021, 6:26 p.m.

the reason some players have too many silver tokens...is they are the whales who buy the higher level boosters from the shop.  they don't have to waste silver tokens on the blacksmith tools.    and the reason most people have tons of sams tools is that sams event hasn't been here in forever.

the whales who don't have to buy event tools from the blacksmith have a ton of silver tokens to buy trade and military districts and those temp com boosters...while those of us who buy the tools don't have enough left to buy those items.    as a result we are getting hammered by 200/200/200 coms with 7k troops while we try to keep pace in the events.    so now we fall further behind while the whales get an even bigger advantage.   we can't hit enough to earn all those silver tokens while they are still using the ruby tokens to score massive points and buy more of those temp items and districts that are even further out of reach of us small guys.    

all the talk about "balance" is really the game pissing on our shoes and trying to convince us it's raining.   it's all about blackmailing people into buying more and more rubies.  balance has nothing to do with it.   

[5193827] Lady Iris (US1) [US1] :: June 4, 2021, 6:47 p.m.

I totally agree with you commando! Not only can we not get the silver coin from the events as easily as the ruby buyers,
we would now have to sacrifice even more gold coins at an even less fair ratio then before to get the necessary silver to even stand a chance. Just another way of holding our gaming hostage, while they send surveys asking us if we think the game is fair.

[5194092] LMP (US1) [US1] :: June 4, 2021, 10:10 p.m.

This.new.upgrade.to.the.blacksmith.stinks.
Every.time.a.new.upgrade.takes.place.it.makes.the.game.less.and.less.enjoyable.
Each.player.survey.asks.a.question.on."FAIRNESS".Why.bother.to.ask.The.game.is.not.
fair.if.in.order.to.compete.you.are.forced.to.spend.money.So.basically.only.those.who.have.cash.to.waste.are.the
only.people.who.can.actually.compete.
Been.playing.for.10years.now.and.the.new.supposed.upgrade.is.really.a.downgrade.unless.you.have.deep.
pockets.
BTH.is.way.too.expensive.and.OR.a.close.second.Not.wasting.time.anymore.on.BTH.as.the.rewards.aren'tworth.the,money.
Thinking.it.may.be.time.to.say.Aufwiedersehn.to.this.money.pit.
Very.sad.indeed.
I.give.this.game.a."1.5".on.a.scale.from.1-to10,with,10.being.the.best.I.honestly.think.this.game.is.on.it's.way.out.
Tons.of.past.longtime.players.in.this.game.have.quit.The.future.of.Empire.is.already.on.it's.way.out.and.of.their.own.money-grabbing.doing.

[5194101] Poseidon [Moderator] :: June 4, 2021, 10:15 p.m.

not               a                   fan                of                      spaces                  I                  see

[5194335] Joshvir262 (AU1) [AU1] :: June 5, 2021, 11:30 a.m.

were the storm islands rewards nerfed because too many people were playing storm? if so then it makes sense as hardly anyone will play event now

[5194337] Joshvir262 (AU1) [AU1] :: June 5, 2021, 11:32 a.m.

increased cost of nomad chests samurai chests and horsetails by a factor of 10 in blacksmith? I think its because too many people were playing nomad samurai and glory events so they want to make them less appealing.

[5194471] Lady Iris (US1) [US1] :: June 5, 2021, 4:40 p.m.

No, it was explained away as an imbalance in the shops. 
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that it was affecting the game owners' bottom line.
However, I think you have inadvertently come upon the solution to the dilemna Joshvir,
Just don't play those events. No need for those boosters then, is there?

[5194490] Andrew Milner (US1) [US1] :: June 5, 2021, 5:19 p.m.

[5194497] Poseidon [Moderator] :: June 5, 2021, 5:36 p.m.

Andrew Milner (US1) said:

In the end is it all about money. I can see were poseidon is coming from talking about the imbalance in stock. Yet they do nothing for the boosts you can buy shows that its more about the money than imbalance. I can spend 10 dollars in nomads to reach the same results, if not better than before this update when I just used the blacksmith. Only difference is now I would need to spend money instead of doing it for free.

If the imbalance is truly the issue, then why would ggs leave such massive boosts in the game still? Or is the imbalance only an issue for people who don't whale?

I think it's because the studio believes the blacksmith was "unlimited" in a way, where boosters are bought with real money. Maken them, less unlimited I guess...

[5194500] Lady Iris (US1) [US1] :: June 5, 2021, 5:39 p.m.

commando (US1) said:

"being nothing but krill for the whales doesn't make for an enjoyable gaming experience."

Take away the krill and the whales have to adapt or die.
Take away the servants and the rich will have to serve themselves.
Take away the maids and the rich will have to clean up their own messes.

Take away the "little guy" from the events and what will happen?
Right now, those who don't buy rubies will no longer be in the running for a KL Gold Medal.
You did have a chance to get a few before, but now? No, it will be impossible.
But, all of the ruby buyers will then be in each others divisions in the KL.
How many golds do you think will be awarded for each division then? Still just one.
But there will be a battle for the top the likes of which will annoy even them.
No EASY golds for them anymore.
My suggestion is this:
Just do not play the events that have had the boosters nerfed!
Take away the easy win for the major ruby buyers.
Instead, focus on your building and achievements..,
There is still plenty to do in this game.
Why compete when you know you cannot win?
As Joshua said in War Games, "The only winning move is NOT to play!"

[5194513] Andrew Milner (US1) [US1] :: June 5, 2021, 6:07 p.m.

Poseidon X Angel said:

Andrew Milner (US1) said:

In the end is it all about money. I can see were poseidon is coming from talking about the imbalance in stock. Yet they do nothing for the boosts you can buy shows that its more about the money than imbalance. I can spend 10 dollars in nomads to reach the same results, if not better than before this update when I just used the blacksmith. Only difference is now I would need to spend money instead of doing it for free.

If the imbalance is truly the issue, then why would ggs leave such massive boosts in the game still? Or is the imbalance only an issue for people who don't whale?

I think it's because the studio believes the blacksmith was "unlimited" in a way, where boosters are bought with real money. Maken them, less unlimited I guess...

[5194618] Lady Aine (US1) [US1] :: June 5, 2021, 8:45 p.m.

What is completely unfair about this "fix" is the way that you crippled the non ruby buyers.
What you really meant to say was that "the non buyers" were unlimited in some way.
Why? Because they used the blacksmith the way that helped them out the most?
That's just plain common sense to find the advantages that life or games present.
You, at the studios, gave it to them to use and then you punished them for using it.
What kind of hogwash is that?
The items for the gold coin are overpriced, to be blunt. 
Then, the non buyers cannot make enough silver coin doing the events to purchase all of the tools for those events. 
So you add insult to injury and cripple their ability to change gold to silver at a fair market rate, as was mentioned above.
If they manage to buy enough tools by working their way through and using the silver earned in each event,
then they have to forsake skips for building, troops for attacking, feathers for the glory events and on and on.
The wheel has become a complete joke..."stick to the normal mode kiddies".
If you want the non buyers out of the game guys, you should just say so.
I have bought rubies several times, but not on a monthly basis, so I understand the problem here.
No one likes a sudden change that puts them at a complete disadvantage.
The way this was handled was completely inappropriate, to say the very least.
I will do as suggested above and stop playing the events when I run out of tools.
I don't feel like putting more money into a game that is run by people with $ signs in their pupils.
You are creating a hostile environment, instead of a fair gaming ground.
And please, stop the ridiculous surveys, you already know the answers.