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[-379535] Reddin (US1) [US1] :: Jan. 13, 2021, 4:14 p.m.

I was wondering which would be a better outpost. Currently I have a food 8 outpost with no bakery or ruby buildings, and I'm not planning on investing rubies into that outpost. I have my eyes on another outpost. It contains a level 7 bakery, level 6 hospital, level 2 watchtower, as well as a level 6 barracks. Which of the two would be a better outpost?

[5172850] Wasso (INT3) [INT3] :: Jan. 13, 2021, 9:51 p.m.

IMO, if you plan to do NO Ruby Upgrades, keep the 8 food.......

[5172976] Reddin (US1) [US1] :: Jan. 14, 2021, 3:14 p.m.

@Wasso (INT3)
So you're saying that the food 8 with no ruby upgrades is better than the food 6 that contains those ruby upgrades?

[5173032] Wasso (INT3) [INT3] :: Jan. 14, 2021, 8:59 p.m.

Reddin (US1) said:

@Wasso (INT3)
So you're saying that the food 8 with no ruby upgrades is better than the food 6 that contains those ruby upgrades?

IMO, yes.

To keep it simple:
Level 7 bakery = 35% reduced food consumption
8 Food vs 6 Food = 1.33 more food production

Barracks isn't Ruby, it is construction tokens. So, you can get that on your own, eventually.

I suppose it comes down to the Hospital and Watchtower. If you feel the 20% extra detect and space for 300 wounded are worth the swap......

[5173123] Reddin (US1) [US1] :: Jan. 15, 2021, 3:02 p.m.

Alright, thank you

[5173204] Venom (AU1) [AU1] :: Jan. 16, 2021, 2:20 p.m.

Option 3 is too look for 8 foods with max ruby buildings. They are harder to get when in smaller unknown alliances, but still very possible.

Also the 8 food is always going to be a better long term option. The first few levels of bakeries are very cheap, same with watchtowers. Hospitals are a waste of space and would love to remove mine.

[5173435] Marty Maurder (GB1) [GB1] :: Jan. 18, 2021, 11 a.m.

Transfer goods to the outpost and build away

[5177465] Scandy (GB1) [GB1] :: Feb. 14, 2021, 1:23 p.m.

Wasso (INT3) said:

Reddin (US1) said:

@Wasso (INT3)
So you're saying that the food 8 with no ruby upgrades is better than the food 6 that contains those ruby upgrades?

IMO, yes.

To keep it simple:
Level 7 bakery = 35% reduced food consumption
8 Food vs 6 Food = 1.33 more food production

Barracks isn't Ruby, it is construction tokens. So, you can get that on your own, eventually.

I suppose it comes down to the Hospital and Watchtower. If you feel the 20% extra detect and space for 300 wounded are worth the swap......

That math is wrong on a lot of levels.

The increase for a 8 compared to a 6 is much less than 33% as it ignores the effect from the sub 100% buildings - assuming you have buildings down to for instance 10% the increase is only 24%. However that ignores all the food production from food production items, the normal ones add 3k if you have enough buildings and the premium could add an additional 30k but i would guess most players will have lvl 1 items only so 11k. So good player will probably have 14k additional food production which makes the increase from 6 to 8 even smaller in terms of percentages.

The real question is if 2 extra 100% buildings are worth more than going from bakery lvl 8 to lvl 7. The actual production depends on your PO and your build items of course, but a 100% building with at least a lvl 16 base item is likely to add at least 3k food ignoring the effect from a premium food production (i'm assuming lvl 16 and low PO as we are talking about someone who doesn't think they'll be able to get enough rubies to upgrade the bakery).

The effect of a lvl 8 bakery is 40% yes, but the key is the difference between lvl 7 and lvl 8 - so negative effect is that the troops will eat 8.3% more (math 65/60 -100%).

So the player needs to assess if 6k+ of food production is more than the 8.3% increase in consumption from his troops. So if his/her troops currently consume 72k food/hour the bakery is more valuable. This is highly unlikely because a player whose troops consume that much very likely have much higher production from his/her 100% granary.

Bottom line going from lvl 8 to lvl 7 is almost always worth it in the long run assuming all other food buildings are similar. However the transition is likely to be painful and take a lot of time to rebuild, repair and upgrade the granaries.

Another thing to bear in mind is that a bakery will be pretty useless once we've all completed the shift to mead troops sometime early 2033...

[5177474] Poseidon [Moderator] :: Feb. 14, 2021, 2:08 p.m.

Where a 6 food outpost makes 154k food, an 8 food outpost would make 174k.

[5177476] Venom (AU1) [AU1] :: Feb. 14, 2021, 2:25 p.m.

Poseidon X Angel said:

Where a 6 food outpost makes 154k food, an 8 food outpost would make 174k.

daddy chill. Someone unable to buy a bakary ain't buying max decos and build items.

[5177604] Wasso (INT3) [INT3] :: Feb. 15, 2021, 12:52 a.m.

Scandy (GB1) said:

Wasso (INT3) said:

Reddin (US1) said:

@Wasso (INT3)
So you're saying that the food 8 with no ruby upgrades is better than the food 6 that contains those ruby upgrades?

IMO, yes.

To keep it simple:
Level 7 bakery = 35% reduced food consumption
8 Food vs 6 Food = 1.33 more food production

Barracks isn't Ruby, it is construction tokens. So, you can get that on your own, eventually.

I suppose it comes down to the Hospital and Watchtower. If you feel the 20% extra detect and space for 300 wounded are worth the swap......

The real question is if 2 extra 100% buildings are worth more than going from bakery lvl 8 to lvl 7.

Bottom line going from lvl 8 to lvl 7 is almost always worth it in the long run assuming all other food buildings are similar.

You are not answering the question that was asked. But, you ARE following the advise of Nick Wilde in Zootopia: You wanna look smart, answer their question with your own question, and then answer that question.

It would seem that you are answering your own question of: Is it better to have an 8 food with a level 7 Bakery, or a 6 food with a level 8 Bakery? That question has NO relevance to the original question. It isn't even close.

The 8 food is what @Reddin (US1) currently has, not the 6 food. Additionally, the 6 food is the one with the level 7 Bakery, not the 8 food.

While Reddin did not immediately specify the other OP was a 6 food, based on the original question, it was a high % presumption. Additionally, it was presumed that since there were no plans to invest rubies in the 8 food, that there would be no plans to invest rubies in the 6 food.

Reddin (US1) said:

I was wondering which would be a better outpost. Currently I have a food 8 outpost with no bakery or ruby buildings, and I'm not planning on investing rubies into that outpost. I have my eyes on another outpost. It contains a level 7 bakery, level 6 hospital, level 2 watchtower, as well as a level 6 barracks. Which of the two would be a better outpost?

The first response addressed the expectation of NO ruby spend:

Wasso (INT3) said:

IMO, if you plan to do NO Ruby Upgrades, keep the 8 food.......

The follow up question confirmed the presumption of it being a 6 food:

Reddin (US1) said:

@Wasso (INT3)
So you're saying that the food 8 with no ruby upgrades is better than the food 6 that contains those ruby upgrades?

An 8 food with NO ruby upgrades (and no plans to invest ANY rubies into it) vs. a 6 food with a level 7 Bakery (plus the Hospital, Watchtower and Barracks) with no future ruby investments.

To keep it simple and clear:

8 Food with no Bakery Vs. 6 Food with level 7 Bakery. Which is better?

My answer remains the same.........

[5178048] bucketofsquid (US1) [US1] :: Feb. 16, 2021, 4:51 p.m.

Why no ruby investment? I have a number of mid-range ruby buildings bought with rubies I have won.

Personally I would suggest sticking with the 8 food. I have single 8 food and two 6 food.I stuck with the 6 foods more for location than anything.

[5178077] Wasso (INT3) [INT3] :: Feb. 16, 2021, 6:17 p.m.

bucketofsquid (US1) said:

Why no ruby investment? I have a number of mid-range ruby buildings bought with rubies I have won.

Personally I would suggest sticking with the 8 food. I have single 8 food and two 6 food.I stuck with the 6 foods more for location than anything.

That was what he asked. NO ruby investment. I agree that using game rubies for some buildings is worthwhile...