Forum: empire-en
Board: [584] Players ask Players
Topic: [77503] What is best beginner-level defense strategy?
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Sam4 (GB1) [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 1:11 a.m.
Conqueror9 wrote: »1. continue to build up to level 19
cap 2 outpost, 1 is extense wood (like 8 wood 2 food ) and other is extensive stone (like 8 stone/2 food)
2. hit rbc as many as possible
reduce your food demand by sending soldier to "hell" but get some resource back, use those resource for (1) above
3. take the gap to recruit defense army while maintain your army to hit rbc
take the gap to make your wall stronger ( like raise tower, castle wall, gate...etc)
I think this is all very good advice... save the first point. It you look at the majority of high level players, they tend (if they are close and available) to go for outposts with 8 food 2(something else). I.e. outposts with the shiny bread symbol first. This is because you'll be able to hold more troops, and sure, you may not be able to produce as much resources as fast - but at least you'll be able to have even more troops to defend and attack.
If you do take this strategy then the obvious answer is to attack your neighbours (hit them before they hit you) to get ahead
This way you can get those precious resources off them, and you'll be able to hold more troops with your 8 food outpost and therefore have an advantage.Finally, aim to get into an alliance - being in alliance may put people off attacking you (at your level at at least). Being in an alliance holds the possibilities of support and revenge on those who attack you - enough to put anyone off.
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kmkarr [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 1:56 a.m.
1 have alot of farmhouses,stone quarry and wood things
2 train alot of archers and spearmen and hav 33-33-33
3 dont attack anyone thats a higher level than u
wen u get 2 level 39 build a research tower thats wat im doing
2 train alot of archers and spearmen and hav 33-33-33
3 dont attack anyone thats a higher level than u
wen u get 2 level 39 build a research tower thats wat im doing
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BlackSwordHawks [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 4:44 a.m.
i use 33-34-33 the flanks have only one man less
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xJadetsssx [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 5 a.m.
BlackSwordHawks wrote: »i use 33-34-33 the flanks have only one man less
That is true depending of the amount of soldiers there that don't happen always, or perhaps you mean 1% less?
If you have 200 soldiers in the walls
33% means, 66 soldiers
and 34% means 68 soldiers
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BlackSwordHawks [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 5:06 a.m.
no its always one man less
on my castle i have 10 defenders on each side and have level one towers
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on my castle i have 10 defenders on each side and have level one towers
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xJadetsssx [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 5:13 a.m.
BlackSwordHawks wrote: »no its always one man less
So you are saying with 200 soldiers
a 34% is only ONE more soldier than 33%?
What kind of math are you using?
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BlackSwordHawks [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 5:16 a.m.
it says it right here i have 10 defenders on each side
you do it and see but im rank 10 2 xp away from 11
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you do it and see but im rank 10 2 xp away from 11
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Conqueror9 [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 10:01 a.m.
1 have alot of farmhouses,stone quarry and wood things
2 train alot of archers and spearmen and hav 33-33-33
3 dont attack anyone thats a higher level than u
wen u get 2 level 39 build a research tower thats wat im doing
3 dont attack anyone thats a higher level than u
but u cannot attack player with 5 level less than you
hope u can find a target whose level is between "your level" and " 5 level under your level "
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T_PACK [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 12:01 p.m.
Yes, it is a heated area and I apologize as well, and all expertise is welcome.
I will continue to investigate the matter as well, with each coming combat report from my alliance. Looking at the different formations should show what really happens. I know of one person who uses a 50-0-50 method, and with each attack, when I see the combat report, neither person recieves a bonus no matter the outcome.
But again, we should keep out eyes pealed for any other clues, and listen to what others have to say to see if we can solve this.
Eric768
Agreed, I'll do some "tests" on some vict- I mean "subjects", and see what the outcomes are, lol. I'll send you a screenshot in a forum message when I have them.
- T_PACK
Conqueror9 wrote: »but u cannot attack player with 5 level less than you
That is only true if the person you are attacking is under level 10. A level 29 can still attack a level 19; a level 15 cannot attack a level 9 anymore.
- T_PACK
Yes, it is a heated area and I apologize as well, and all expertise is welcome.
I will continue to investigate the matter as well, with each coming combat report from my alliance. Looking at the different formations should show what really happens. I know of one person who uses a 50-0-50 method, and with each attack, when I see the combat report, neither person recieves a bonus no matter the outcome.
But again, we should keep out eyes pealed for any other clues, and listen to what others have to say to see if we can solve this.
Eric768
Ok, so I found some proof. If you look at these screenshots from a defender's point of view, you will see that what I said before was true.
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k3rb3r05 [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 5:53 p.m.
xJadetsssx wrote: »So you are saying with 200 soldiers
a 34% is only ONE more soldier than 33%?
What kind of math are you using?
the game is using that math. at lower levels it does that. i used to have level 2 towers ( or maybe lvl1 and 2 mixed) and set 50/0/50 , and even though i would have enough defenders in the keep, i would get uneven numbers on the walls.
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UltimateJhon [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 6:10 p.m.
wow! you guys nice to him!
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k3rb3r05 [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 6:47 p.m.
Awesome. You guys are thinking way beyond where I was. But as I just hit level 15 with 20 hours left before I hit the "real deal" I'm sitting here scratching my head as to what to reinforce but you got me heading in the right direction for sure.
Here's another twist - somebody explain this to me: I built 10 Level 2 towers @ 6 slots each then I recruited 60 archers to fill them. Simple logic, right? When I go to my defense menu and set my flank / frontal deployment percentages everything is fine until I toggle my melee / range ratio to 100% ranged --- that's when my walls are completely cleared of men. Zero on every wall. What gives? Am I just not gettnig something?
bug. the soldiers are there. but it happens only when you set one of the flanks to 100% (as if to concetrate all ur soldiers on that flank) and then set ranged to 100%. Doesn't happen when more than 1 section on the wall is full
another bug is if u set ur front wall to 100% ratio and click apply and return to defenses, you will notice the front wall dropped to 99% and right flank gained 1%
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Eric768 (US1) [US1]
:: Sept. 27, 2012, 1:23 a.m.
Excellent! We finally have a breakthrough. Though there are several other scenarios we should test. Like a 50-0-50 defense, and what happens if they lose one flank. At that point would neither person get a bonus?That is only true if the person you are attacking is under level 10. A level 29 can still attack a level 19; a level 15 cannot attack a level 9 anymore.
- T_PACK
Also, if you play a 0-100-0 and you successfully defend the single flank, there would be no bonus for either side, correct? I usually play that kind of strategy, and always win the 100% flank. At that point I usually recieve a 30% bonus, and win the fight at the keep. See this is where I got confused, all sorts of different scenarios
Last thing, I just recieved CP from alliance member, and he attacked someone, and won the middle but lost both sides. The report says -30%. (Not sure how to do screenshot, apologies) So some more work on this would be welcomed. We just want to know what the best strategies are best for all of us here on this topic
Every advantage is welcomedEric768
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J.I. Joe2 [None]
:: Sept. 27, 2012, 1:40 a.m.
Yes, it is a heated area and I apologize as well, and all expertise is welcome.
I will continue to investigate the matter as well, with each coming combat report from my alliance. Looking at the different formations should show what really happens. I know of one person who uses a 50-0-50 method, and with each attack, when I see the combat report, neither person recieves a bonus no matter the outcome.
But again, we should keep out eyes pealed for any other clues, and listen to what others have to say to see if we can solve this.
Eric768
For low-mid levels, thus before your opponent has 4 waves of attack, the best overall formation is the 50-0-50 defense while being offline. Your opponent can only fit 1/5th of his attack force on each flank, while you can fit half your defense force on each flank. With proper tools, your defense bonus can be pretty high. All you need to do is defend adequately on each flank and you'll have pummelled 2/5th's of your opponent's attack force, and even more so with minimal loses on your side.
Afterward, in the Keep, with your opponent's 3/5th soldiers left, since you have successfully defended two out of three sides, your opponent gets a negative bonus of -30% to his attack force. That is pretty much equal to him fighting, yet again, with only 2/5th's of his attack force.
Easy win, and minimal loses my friend.
Learn, and start conquering
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T_PACK [None]
:: Sept. 27, 2012, 1:40 a.m.
Excellent! We finally have a breakthrough. Though there are several other scenarios we should test. Like a 50-0-50 defense, and what happens if they lose one flank. At that point would neither person get a bonus?
If you lost only one flank (as a defender), then you would receive a 30% defense bonus.
Just because you put zero on a flank doesn't mean they automatically win that flank. If you sent even one troop down the center and won a flank, then yes neither side would gain a bonus.
Also, if you play a 0-100-0 and you successfully defend the single flank, there would be no bonus for either side, correct? I usually play that kind of strategy, and always win the 100% flank. At that point I usually recieve a 30% bonus, and win the fight at the keep. See this is where I got confused, all sorts of different scenarios
Yes, if they won the other two sides no one would gain a bonus in the battle at the keep. If they for some reason didn't send any troops to one of those sides however, then you should receive a 30% bonus at the keep. It would be helpful to see a screen shot of a battle so I could understand what you're dealing with. Please read this thread http://en.board.goodgamestudios.com/empire/showthread.php?24871-How-to-do-a-screen-shot and see if you can figure out how to post one.
Last thing, I just recieved CP from alliance member, and he attacked someone, and won the middle but lost both sides. The report says -30%. (Not sure how to do screenshot, apologies) So some more work on this would be welcomed. We just want to know what the best strategies are best for all of us here on this topic
Yes, if you only defeat one section of the wall, the defender would receive a 30% bonus in defense, meaning you received a -30% reduction in attacking power. The reason I said 40-20-40 would be best is because the flanks would still be difficult to overcome, and the center would still not be a cake-walk, with 20% of your troops still there.
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Eric768 (US1) [US1]
:: Sept. 27, 2012, 3:03 a.m.
If you lost only one flank (as a defender), then you would receive a 30% defense bonus.
Just because you put zero on a flank doesn't mean they automatically win that flank. If you sent even one troop down the center and won a flank, then yes neither side would gain a bonus.
I believe I am starting to get it. If say you play a 33-34-33, and you lose the middle and left flank, neither get a bonus. In another situation, if they won only the middle, then the defender will gain a 30% bonus. And finally, if you lose all 3 flanks, then the defender recieves -30%.(Or attacker recieves +30%, same difference
)I will send the next report I recieve when using my 0-100-0 and try to get it on here.
Best Regards,
Eric768
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FlamesHero [None]
:: Sept. 27, 2012, 4:36 a.m.
You can make strategic arguments either way. However, take into account your locations, your alliance (if you don't have one get one and hope it's one you like...I've made a bad choice there before). If there is another player who seems to be very active (sword brotherhood is great for this), and ambitious-sometimes to the point of blackmail THEN you worry. If so rather than turtling (nothing wrong with that, good defense IS important) ATTACK!!!! Most players I've seen either neglect beyond basic defenses, or go all out attack-meaning nothing to guard with. Balancing attack with defesne is key here, and players can be your friends.
Eric is right. More research is needed, and if you are whom I think you are THAN STOPPING USING ERACK FOR YOUR RESEARCH! BAD!
Posts merged due to double posting. Please READ board rules - Bunzy
Eric is right. More research is needed, and if you are whom I think you are THAN STOPPING USING ERACK FOR YOUR RESEARCH! BAD!
Posts merged due to double posting. Please READ board rules - Bunzy
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T_PACK [None]
:: Sept. 27, 2012, 11:43 a.m.
I believe I am starting to get it. If say you play a 33-34-33, and you lose the middle and left flank, neither get a bonus. In another situation, if they won only the middle, then the defender will gain a 30% bonus. And finally, if you lose all 3 flanks, then the defender recieves -30%.(Or attacker recieves +30%, same difference
I will send the next report I recieve when using my 0-100-0 and try to get it on here.
Best Regards,
Eric768
Exactly you've got it! Now yes, the 50-0-50 defense is very good, I use it often myself. I was just saying leave something in the center so your attacker has to send more than 1 soldier to win it.
FlamesHero wrote: »Eric is right. More research is needed, and if you are whom I think you are THAN STOPPING USING ERACK FOR YOUR RESEARCH! BAD!
And I'm sorry, but I honestly didn't even know Eric768 existed until this thread. So no, I'm not who you think I am.
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Eric768 (US1) [US1]
:: Sept. 27, 2012, 2:20 p.m.
Exactly you've got it! Now yes, the 50-0-50 defense is very good, I use it often myself. I was just saying leave something in the center so your attacker has to send more than 1 soldier to win it.
Yes, just leave a piece of meat for them to play around with, so it isn't as easy as a single troops down the middle. Glad this has finally been solved. Great work to all that helped
And I'm sorry, but I honestly didn't even know Eric768 existed until this thread. So no, I'm not who you think I am.
Yes, we may be on the same world, but we are just doing tests to see how certain bonuses work. I'm not to sure what he is talking about, with the Research tower either, I said nothing along those lines.
Eric768
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T_PACK [None]
:: Sept. 27, 2012, 4:02 p.m.
Yes, just leave a piece of meat for them to play around with, so it isn't as easy as a single troops down the middle. Glad this has finally been solved. Great work to all that helped
Yes, we may be on the same world, but we are just doing tests to see how certain bonuses work. I'm not to sure what he is talking about, with the Research tower either, I said nothing along those lines.
Eric768
I'm glad that's been settled. It was nice to meet you by the way, I hope we can collaborate on a solution again some time.
- T_PACK