Forum: empire-en
Board: [584] Players ask Players
Topic: [78949] how does this happen!!
[-78949]
ucaneng [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 12:08 p.m.
Here is my battle report! Someone attacked me and i got that report and it seems like there is something wrong with it!!!
im waiting your opinions.
all my defenders are on one flank and attacker is sending just ranged troops from there! with this info i arrange my defense!!
im waiting your opinions.
all my defenders are on one flank and attacker is sending just ranged troops from there! with this info i arrange my defense!!
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kirk64 (INT1) [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 12:21 p.m.
You have all bow guys and he sent all iron mantlets , also he sent all crossbow guys and you have only one arrow slit ,his tools were 4 waves and yours only 1 , 1 , and 2 and the 2 were macholation , also you have zero tools in the middle and right flank so they ran right through to the keep , More defensive tools will help you alot ,But it really sucks he killed so many.
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ucaneng [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 12:33 p.m.
no kirk64, i have 99 tools in all 3 slots! but he killed all my troops in one time! thats why its shows like that! and i was trying to defend just one flank!!
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ucaneng [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 12:44 p.m.
on the other hand; on the first wave he had 52 attackers with an attack value of 98 each = 5096 points, my defenders had a defence rating of 123 against ranged opponents => 224x132 = 29568 defence points!!! this must be a bug!!! my tools were a match for his as well.
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Conqueror9 [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 1:41 p.m.
Tools
u only have 4 tools in left flank, 0 in fronter and 0 in right flank
that is what your picture tell us
u need to place your tools in "defense", it is used per wave
e.g. u place 5 flamming arrow..each wave, u use 1 flamming arrow, 5 flamming arrow imply u can use it 5 times
Soldier
your defending soldier a bowmen !!! it is very weak
enemy attacking soldier a 2handsword ..the strong Melee attacking soldier
Bowmen has 23 combat strength with 9 Melee defeense strength
2handsword has 109 combat strength with 5 range defense strength
your bowmen 23 combat strength hit enemy 2hand 5 range defense strength
u have advantage....but enemy has bring tools to cover his soldier to offset your bowmen combat strenght
and u kill nothing
enemy 2handssword 109 combat strenght hit your bowmen with 9 Melee defense strength and u have nothing to support
104 2 handsword vs your 242 bowmen
enemy 109 combat vs your 9 melee defense
enemy 5 range defense with tools vs your 23 combat strenght
sorry, it is just a slaughting only
u have to accept this fact
However if u use longbow to defense in there with flamming arrow , Bulwark ( ?? , this may be useful )
the siuation will be quite difference
lognbow is the correct defense soldier in there
u only have 4 tools in left flank, 0 in fronter and 0 in right flank
that is what your picture tell us
u need to place your tools in "defense", it is used per wave
e.g. u place 5 flamming arrow..each wave, u use 1 flamming arrow, 5 flamming arrow imply u can use it 5 times
Soldier
your defending soldier a bowmen !!! it is very weak
enemy attacking soldier a 2handsword ..the strong Melee attacking soldier
Bowmen has 23 combat strength with 9 Melee defeense strength
2handsword has 109 combat strength with 5 range defense strength
your bowmen 23 combat strength hit enemy 2hand 5 range defense strength
u have advantage....but enemy has bring tools to cover his soldier to offset your bowmen combat strenght
and u kill nothing
enemy 2handssword 109 combat strenght hit your bowmen with 9 Melee defense strength and u have nothing to support
104 2 handsword vs your 242 bowmen
enemy 109 combat vs your 9 melee defense
enemy 5 range defense with tools vs your 23 combat strenght
sorry, it is just a slaughting only
u have to accept this fact
However if u use longbow to defense in there with flamming arrow , Bulwark ( ?? , this may be useful )
the siuation will be quite difference
lognbow is the correct defense soldier in there
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Conqueror9 [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 1:49 p.m.
no kirk64, i have 99 tools in all 3 slots! but he killed all my troops in one time! thats why its shows like that! and i was trying to defend just one flank!!
no matter how many tools u have put in there
e.g. 5 flamming arrow as i mentioned in last reply
if enemy wave 1 tackle your 1st flamming arrow (use per wave)
if enemy wave 1 get defeated, your 2nd fallming arrow will be on duty for enemy next wave
But if enemy wave 1 has already defeated u, and his soldier pass thro your flank
your remaining 4 flamming arrow will not be used and remain in your flank, it will function when next attack ( not current attack )
becos enemy has already defeated u in wave 1
so the battle reflect u only use 4 tools...no more as there is no defending soldier to operate those remaining tools
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BlackDrgn [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 1:51 p.m.
Conqueror9 wrote: »Tools
u only have 4 tools in left flank, 0 in fronter and 0 in right flank
that is what your picture tell us
u need to place your tools in "defense", it is used per wave
e.g. u place 5 flamming arrow..each wave, u use 1 flamming arrow, 5 flamming arrow imply u can use it 5 times
Soldier
your defending soldier a bowmen !!! it is very weak
enemy attacking soldier a 2handsword ..the strong Melee attacking soldier
Bowmen has 23 combat strength with 9 Melee defeense strength
2handsword has 109 combat strength with 5 range defense strength
your bowmen 23 combat strength hit enemy 2hand 5 range defense strength
u have advantage....but enemy has bring tools to cover his soldier to offset your bowmen combat strenght
and u kill nothing
enemy 2handssword 109 combat strenght hit your bowmen with 9 Melee defense strength and u have nothing to support
104 2 handsword vs your 242 bowmen
enemy 109 combat vs your 9 melee defense
enemy 5 range defense with tools vs your 23 combat strenght
sorry, it is just a slaughting only
u have to accept this fact
However if u use longbow to defense in there with flamming arrow , Bulwark ( ?? , this may be useful )
the siuation will be quite difference
lognbow is the correct defense soldier in there
What are you talking about?
It's veteran crossbowmen vs veteran bowmen.
I can see how you lost though, he used 40 mantlets, but I'm still surprised he didn't lose a single soldier.
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Conqueror9 [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 1:57 p.m.
on the other hand; on the first wave he had 52 attackers with an attack value of 98 each = 5096 points, my defenders had a defence rating of 123 against ranged opponents => 224x132 = 29568 defence points!!! this must be a bug!!! my tools were a match for his as well.
u have to take enemy tools into your consideration
he is using cast iron mantlet, each mantlet deduct your bowmen 10% damage
i persume he use 10 per wave...that 100% offset your bowmen's damage...
sorry...
becos u lost left, right and fronter
enemy get 30% bonus in courtyard
so your battle in courtyard lost a lot...if enemy do not get that 30% bonus ...the battle may be a even war
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Conqueror9 [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 1:59 p.m.
What are you talking about?
It's veteran crossbowmen vs veteran bowmen.
I can see how you lost though, he used 40 mantlets, but I'm still surprised he didn't lose a single soldier.
sorry, my poor knowledge..
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ucaneng [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 2:10 p.m.
Conqueror9 wrote: »Tools
u only have 4 tools in left flank, 0 in fronter and 0 in right flank
that is what your picture tell us
u need to place your tools in "defense", it is used per wave
e.g. u place 5 flamming arrow..each wave, u use 1 flamming arrow, 5 flamming arrow imply u can use it 5 times
Soldier
your defending soldier a bowmen !!! it is very weak
enemy attacking soldier a 2handsword ..the strong Melee attacking soldier
Bowmen has 23 combat strength with 9 Melee defeense strength
2handsword has 109 combat strength with 5 range defense strength
your bowmen 23 combat strength hit enemy 2hand 5 range defense strength
u have advantage....but enemy has bring tools to cover his soldier to offset your bowmen combat strenght
and u kill nothing
enemy 2handssword 109 combat strenght hit your bowmen with 9 Melee defense strength and u have nothing to support
104 2 handsword vs your 242 bowmen
enemy 109 combat vs your 9 melee defense
enemy 5 range defense with tools vs your 23 combat strenght
sorry, it is just a slaughting only
u have to accept this fact
However if u use longbow to defense in there with flamming arrow , Bulwark ( ?? , this may be useful )
the siuation will be quite difference
lognbow is the correct defense soldier in there
pls check it again! i know what i did and my defenders are vet. ranged and he is attacking by vet. ranged too!
i dont want to repeat myself but im always keeping 99 tools in each slots! u are seeing 4 which are used in battle!
the wrong thing is here i could not killed any of his attacker!! non of them!! this is a huge bug!
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BlackDrgn [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 2:13 p.m.
pls check it again! i know what i did and my defenders are vet. ranged and he is attacking by vet. ranged too!
i dont want to repeat myself but im always keeping 99 tools in each slots! u are seeing 4 which are used in battle!
the wrong thing is here i could not killed any of his attacker!! non of them!! this is a huge bug!
Yes, I am also surprised that you didn't kill any.
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ucaneng [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 2:24 p.m.
i already contact with support!! but im not sure what are they going to do!!!
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it904 [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 3:30 p.m.
it is because u r using veteran bowmen they r very weak in defence against melee and he used 40 cast iron manlets
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BlackDrgn [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 3:34 p.m.
it is because u r using veteran bowmen they r very weak in defence against melee and he used 40 cast iron manlets
Look at it again, it's veteran crossbowmen against veteran bowmen.
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Sparkster [None]
:: Oct. 24, 2012, 3:54 p.m.
So basically it was his veteran crossbows versus your veteran bowmen, you outnumbered him 2 to 1, and yet he beat you on the wall without a single casualty. I'm assuming he had two waves on that flank, with the troops and tools equally divided between each one, but he only need the first one to beat you so let's focus on that. He had 52 veteran crossbows, with ranged attack power 98*52=5,096. You had 242 veteran bowmen, ranged defense 242*132=31,944. Now look at the tools: he had 20 cast iron mantlets, which means a -200% reduction in ranged defense. I'm not very familiar with the armorer's defense tools, but it looks like the only thing you had to counter that was an arrow slit, which I believe increases ranged defense by 60 or 80%, which means the ranged defense of your soldiers was reduced by 120%-140%. If you reduce 31,944 ranged defense by 120-140%, you end up with zero(I don't think it's possible to have negative defense in this game), which is why he was able to take you out without losing any of his own. If anyone's aware of any mistakes in how I calculated this, by all means point them out.