Forum: empire-en
Board: [588] Alliance News & Diplomacy
Topic: [383217] This game is on self destruct
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ShropshireKev (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 6, 2021, 9:43 a.m.
After many years playing, decided time to not waste my time and cash on here anymore, gonna have some fun with all i have left then its goodbye, GGE have got it so badly wrong, they know whats happening in the game but continue to ignore it and allow shells, cheating , abusive comments in castle names aimed at players, bearing in mind some kids play on this and its so obvious the players who are doing all this but because they spend so much its best to pretend it aint happening. well this once cash cow is now milking its last, once these players have destroyed the game and no longer need to spend so much GGE will see a further decline in spending, instead of looking after the players who spend 10 to 50 pounds a month enjoying what was once a decent game. They just cannot see the wood for the trees, what a way to run a business and ban me if u like I dont really care
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bazzara (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 6, 2021, 10:12 a.m.
to run a good business you need 100 people spending £5 per week not not 5 people spending £100 per week
you can see which one gge choose great business sense there
also this is or was a very good game like a tree shooting all over the place but gge have gone down one branch and all the others have died with ivy such a missed opportunity
funny thing is with these updates soon many can play a high level without spending but play against who i dont know then what will poor gge do
but we all know they dont have there heads in the sand and can see exactly whats going on so they must be happy even if the players are not
enjoy
you can see which one gge choose great business sense there
also this is or was a very good game like a tree shooting all over the place but gge have gone down one branch and all the others have died with ivy such a missed opportunity
funny thing is with these updates soon many can play a high level without spending but play against who i dont know then what will poor gge do
but we all know they dont have there heads in the sand and can see exactly whats going on so they must be happy even if the players are not
enjoy
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gazz65 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 6, 2021, 10:55 a.m.
Game is on it's knees has been for while now and gge don't care anymore.
they turn blind eye to all the cheating and it's not as if you can't see it.
It's so blatant you have to blind and thick not to see it. but gge don't care
and that is why people are leaving game.
they turn blind eye to all the cheating and it's not as if you can't see it.
It's so blatant you have to blind and thick not to see it. but gge don't care
and that is why people are leaving game.
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Poseidon [Moderator]
:: Sept. 6, 2021, 1:01 p.m.
The fact remains that the Pareto principle still holds. The square root of customers makes up for roughly half the money that's being spent on the game.bazzara (GB1) said:to run a good business you need 100 people spending £5 per week not not 5 people spending £100 per week
you can see which one gge choose great business sense there
also this is or was a very good game like a tree shooting all over the place but gge have gone down one branch and all the others have died with ivy such a missed opportunity
funny thing is with these updates soon many can play a high level without spending but play against who i dont know then what will poor gge do
but we all know they dont have there heads in the sand and can see exactly whats going on so they must be happy even if the players are not
enjoy
That means that if there are 10.000 spenders, just 100 of them combined spend half of the money. And the 10 biggest spenders spend half of what the 100 biggest spenders do. While the other 9900 are still very important, it's obviously easier to satisfy the smaller group of 100 players.
Not just because 100 < 9900 but also because these 100 players are all quite similar, they all spend a lot of money, they often have the same interests and thus are easier to target with marketing.
Please keep in mind none of this is official, it's just the Pareto principle, it's applied everywhere...
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ShropshireKev (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 6, 2021, 1:18 p.m.
sorry poseidon that dont make sense if you have 10k spending 10 to 50 pounds a week they are not as important as 100 players spending 100 pounds a week really do the maths lol do GGE have any accountants working for them because if not the dont seem able to run a business, which is to make money not look after a few select customers
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ShropshireKev (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 6, 2021, 1:21 p.m.
but that still dont answer why you have allowed such a huge power shift to a few players willing to spend, the game balnce is stacked in the favour of those who can spend the most, whilst a majority of players have to suffer the abuse and cheating, ask your self why the spend so much, because they have 6 plus accounts to run which is against the rules but dont matter as long as they spend
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Poseidon [Moderator]
:: Sept. 6, 2021, 5:07 p.m.
Then look up the perato principle....mulam returns (GB1) said:sorry poseidon that dont make sense if you have 10k spending 10 to 50 pounds a week they are not as important as 100 players spending 100 pounds a week really do the maths lol do GGE have any accountants working for them because if not the dont seem able to run a business, which is to make money not look after a few select customers
The 100 combined spend the same amount as the other 9900 combined.
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FatherPretzel (US1) [US1]
:: Sept. 6, 2021, 5:09 p.m.
There is only one BIG issue I see with what you are saying Posedion X and that is GGE is really counting on that 100 and the 10 of that 100 on keeping the game going and continuing to play and pay.
So yes they are adjusting the game as you said for them. This may be one of the main reasons for the 3500 screats for locking anything in HoL level 7. If they went say to even 2x the level 6 HoL requirement and made it 700-800 per unlock the 10 or even 100 would have it done quickly and they would have to think of something else to keep them playing and paying. But then that would even make the game worst as most of the 9900 would still be struggling to get the required amount of sceats and a fair amount of players would not be even trying. That is what we are seeing now with players leaving or just giving up on doing upgrades. Even you have stated the numbers are down on players.
But the real issue is at some point a few Super Whales will lose interest for some reason or another and it would only take 2 or 3 of them Super Whales to disrupt the cash flow a fair amount. Then if you factory in say 10-15 of the other 100 it is a decent size hit on GGE bottom line. I do not think many, if any "NEW" Super Whales are joining anymore.
At that point the 9900 left in your example just are not that interested in doing much either as the "Game" has gotten to unbalanced. So would be hard for GGE to make a 180 degree turn in the business plan.
As for the cheating, multi's, and alt accounts that really is easy to fine out who and be 100% sure. All GGE needs to do is match Credit Card numbers via a software payment program and it will see how many accounts that player has. They do not have to make the info public either so they would not be breaking any real world rules. Of course the big "Secret" is GGE does not care if Player X has 5 or 15 accounts as long as the cash is flowing in. I am sure the Super Whales are not using 5 different credit cards for their 5 or 15 accounts.
But if GGE were to enforce their Terms and Conditions and tell the Wales they can only have 1 account per server that may piss the Whale off and then they may leave. So GGE has just decided to look the other way as long as the payments continue to go through.
So yes they are adjusting the game as you said for them. This may be one of the main reasons for the 3500 screats for locking anything in HoL level 7. If they went say to even 2x the level 6 HoL requirement and made it 700-800 per unlock the 10 or even 100 would have it done quickly and they would have to think of something else to keep them playing and paying. But then that would even make the game worst as most of the 9900 would still be struggling to get the required amount of sceats and a fair amount of players would not be even trying. That is what we are seeing now with players leaving or just giving up on doing upgrades. Even you have stated the numbers are down on players.
But the real issue is at some point a few Super Whales will lose interest for some reason or another and it would only take 2 or 3 of them Super Whales to disrupt the cash flow a fair amount. Then if you factory in say 10-15 of the other 100 it is a decent size hit on GGE bottom line. I do not think many, if any "NEW" Super Whales are joining anymore.
At that point the 9900 left in your example just are not that interested in doing much either as the "Game" has gotten to unbalanced. So would be hard for GGE to make a 180 degree turn in the business plan.
As for the cheating, multi's, and alt accounts that really is easy to fine out who and be 100% sure. All GGE needs to do is match Credit Card numbers via a software payment program and it will see how many accounts that player has. They do not have to make the info public either so they would not be breaking any real world rules. Of course the big "Secret" is GGE does not care if Player X has 5 or 15 accounts as long as the cash is flowing in. I am sure the Super Whales are not using 5 different credit cards for their 5 or 15 accounts.
But if GGE were to enforce their Terms and Conditions and tell the Wales they can only have 1 account per server that may piss the Whale off and then they may leave. So GGE has just decided to look the other way as long as the payments continue to go through.
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ShropshireKev (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 6, 2021, 6:45 p.m.
poseiden your looking at short term gain once the 100 have nothing left to spend there money on and the 9k give up where then, what is ur future business plan GGE had a game 6 yrs ago the same thing happened and once the big whales realised they had nothing to attack they left and that game dont exist now, so how long is the GGE plan, short term gain with no long term future, even if they create a new game who is ever gonna trust them again
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Pisky (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 6, 2021, 6:54 p.m.
Do yourselves a favour, and don't be diverted with so called principle, and sayings, which mean squat in the real world and are just some people vague imaginings to explain away what is going on.
Justs like a while ago when when anyone wrote to support about the algorithm GGE was using in evrything related to chances, what was the excuse ' learn about the gamblers falacy'. Poo Paad, as soon as they realised they had brought in permutations, and circumstances that would not be found using the gamblers falacy, which is mainly reserved for registered and regulated games of chance.
Justs like a while ago when when anyone wrote to support about the algorithm GGE was using in evrything related to chances, what was the excuse ' learn about the gamblers falacy'. Poo Paad, as soon as they realised they had brought in permutations, and circumstances that would not be found using the gamblers falacy, which is mainly reserved for registered and regulated games of chance.
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ShropshireKev (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 6, 2021, 7:02 p.m.
also no way i believe the 100 spend more than the 9k players unless there millonaires
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ShropshireKev (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 6, 2021, 7:30 p.m.
just a thought, if the terms state no extra accounts and GGE knowingly turn a blind eye and players have the proof that there are multi accounts which GGE ignore, then are you not in breach of your own terms and conditions, therefore, as customers you are not giving us what we paid for all these years and as your in breach then maybe we could employ a solicitor and sue GGE there would be that many witnesse and if compensation was in the offing even your whales would turn against you
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Pisky (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 6, 2021, 7:43 p.m.
I would expect there too be a lot of data that GGE could call on at the moment towards supporting their claim, they have access to all the purchasing history of all players. What it does show though a very blinkered view of their milk cow, and how well she is doing. 'not well at all'.
You would need access to more than those figures to come to any conclusions, even figures back to the 2013-2014 era when it was at its peak, this argument has been argued in business for a long time, ' do you sell more cheaply', or' sell less more expensive'. Any company puttig their faith in one or the other will make a big mistake, as many experts have forcasted, especially when a company is already in trouble, then the only direction of travel is down.
GGE is wrong as presently with many of the servers showing decline, even the spenders are thinking about what they are doing, and GGe's attempts at trying to divert fears with such sayings will not work. Yes they may have 1 or 2 servers still on a profit rating, but will those be enough to carry the whole Empire on their shoulders, I doubt it.
I think that any major jolt to the game or its reputation will cause shock waves through its system and the rats will jump ship, be it potential customers to share holders, it will happen, it always does.
I wouldn't put the perato principle as a foolproof system, by its own admission its worked out on averges, as that the only way it could be done, and again very open to manipulated figures and documention, with very little reliable proof. I suppos in a way, the same question would be, do you trust and support time share, you either do or do not.
I like it that support, and a mod both like to quote sayings in their answers, and does answer a long standing previous question of mine.
You would need access to more than those figures to come to any conclusions, even figures back to the 2013-2014 era when it was at its peak, this argument has been argued in business for a long time, ' do you sell more cheaply', or' sell less more expensive'. Any company puttig their faith in one or the other will make a big mistake, as many experts have forcasted, especially when a company is already in trouble, then the only direction of travel is down.
GGE is wrong as presently with many of the servers showing decline, even the spenders are thinking about what they are doing, and GGe's attempts at trying to divert fears with such sayings will not work. Yes they may have 1 or 2 servers still on a profit rating, but will those be enough to carry the whole Empire on their shoulders, I doubt it.
I think that any major jolt to the game or its reputation will cause shock waves through its system and the rats will jump ship, be it potential customers to share holders, it will happen, it always does.
I wouldn't put the perato principle as a foolproof system, by its own admission its worked out on averges, as that the only way it could be done, and again very open to manipulated figures and documention, with very little reliable proof. I suppos in a way, the same question would be, do you trust and support time share, you either do or do not.
I like it that support, and a mod both like to quote sayings in their answers, and does answer a long standing previous question of mine.
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FabulousDulcie (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 7, 2021, 1:50 a.m.
No matter what theory, principle, falacy you want to look at - look at the map - players are leaving in their droves, what used to be populated areas with hard to find outposts, are now devoid of players, apart from the little multi accounts that are being built up to be used in warring alliances that do not subscribe to any rules or decent ethics.
Most players will pay a little to enjoy a game, but will not spend anything at all when the game is so unbalanced that they cannot progress and only ruby whales achieve/buy rewards.
Very sad to see what was a good game, even with bugs and faults, turned over to please players who just want to destroy other players fun in the game. Very sad indeed.
Most players will pay a little to enjoy a game, but will not spend anything at all when the game is so unbalanced that they cannot progress and only ruby whales achieve/buy rewards.
Very sad to see what was a good game, even with bugs and faults, turned over to please players who just want to destroy other players fun in the game. Very sad indeed.
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bazzara (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 7, 2021, 9:18 a.m.
hi poseidon
thanks for your reply
i think your seeing it from the wrong way your saying keeping the 5 happy im saying you need to keep the 100 happy
but in maths you can use a different theorys to come up with a different answers
but in business i said your better to have 100 players spending £5.00 than 5 players spending £100.00 this is a proven success story
why
those 5 players will always want something new or there gone with a drop of a hat
those 100 players if there enjoying them selves and having fun they will spend more and on top of that they will bring along a friend who then spends
so those 5 see new carrots and play along those 100 dont even get a hello or thanks or see things they cant buy the result is they move to another shop with there friends then the shop runs out of petty cash flow so the shop gambles on buying bigger items for those 5 players but in return they have to put the price up then the 5 say i dont like the colour and leave
what happens to the shop
ok then if thats the theory used to who they target all of there efforts can i ask you please when you have time what theory is used for the amount of players leaving the game and why
please can you explain that
thanks again
bazz
thanks for your reply
i think your seeing it from the wrong way your saying keeping the 5 happy im saying you need to keep the 100 happy
but in maths you can use a different theorys to come up with a different answers
but in business i said your better to have 100 players spending £5.00 than 5 players spending £100.00 this is a proven success story
why
those 5 players will always want something new or there gone with a drop of a hat
those 100 players if there enjoying them selves and having fun they will spend more and on top of that they will bring along a friend who then spends
so those 5 see new carrots and play along those 100 dont even get a hello or thanks or see things they cant buy the result is they move to another shop with there friends then the shop runs out of petty cash flow so the shop gambles on buying bigger items for those 5 players but in return they have to put the price up then the 5 say i dont like the colour and leave
what happens to the shop
ok then if thats the theory used to who they target all of there efforts can i ask you please when you have time what theory is used for the amount of players leaving the game and why
please can you explain that
thanks again
bazz
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bazzara (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 7, 2021, 9:44 a.m.
ops sorry just another add on
more out of interest
ok from what you said
100 players spend 50% of the income
9900 players spend 50% of the income
working on that which to me is a disaster waiting to happen anyway and needs addressing fast before it gets to late
the fact is in return
the 9900 players dont get 50% of the reinvestment which in practice should still happen to hold the balance
thanks for reading
bazz
more out of interest
ok from what you said
100 players spend 50% of the income
9900 players spend 50% of the income
working on that which to me is a disaster waiting to happen anyway and needs addressing fast before it gets to late
the fact is in return
the 9900 players dont get 50% of the reinvestment which in practice should still happen to hold the balance
thanks for reading
bazz
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187 Bandit (DE1) [DE1]
:: Sept. 7, 2021, 12:56 p.m.
GGE is'nt bad, but they have no ideas for new content - that's the problem
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gazz65 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 7, 2021, 3:17 p.m.
GOODGAMEGREED is bad no new events just nomads nearly every day.
everything is old and tired takes years to freshen it up.
multi accounts running wild on uk server and every knows who runs them.
they turn a blind eye to all of this because they don't give a Sh-t
everyone playing on uk server should be paying same amount for everything
not using these dodgy accounts paying less and getting more.
GOODGAMEGREED is finished and they don't care simple as that .
everything is old and tired takes years to freshen it up.
multi accounts running wild on uk server and every knows who runs them.
they turn a blind eye to all of this because they don't give a Sh-t
everyone playing on uk server should be paying same amount for everything
not using these dodgy accounts paying less and getting more.
GOODGAMEGREED is finished and they don't care simple as that .
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bazzara (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 7, 2021, 4:20 p.m.
hi bandit
to put it into content with above messages
if you keep 9900 happy then they will spend more time on here and log in more often and then spend more money on here where as these 100 although they do spend alot of money but they do have a maximum amount they will spend so they will never increase spending just move it around more
an example of that on our server is just adding a po item to storm events has increased players playing it
you could call that the x factor in the theory or equation which has been forgotten by gge
as for gazz message
going back to this 100 out of 10000
the biggest problem is most of them have 2 accounts and play on more than one server so that 100 could go down to as little as 25 to pin gge survival on possible only 25 and not 9900 does seem to be the wrong way to me
then you could say they could be the y factor in the theory or equation as they only want to cause havoc in one server for a time then move to another and cause havoc there thus that makes players in the 9900 group negative play less and spend less but the actions of the 100/25 dont show the same commitment for the game thats needed for it to carry on
then you do have to ask the money the 25 spend it does not add up at all
then last its simple
gge dont know whats going on or gge do know whats going on
if they dont know then amen i just hope there other half never asks them to go food shopping on there own sorry for this or maybe they do as thats why we have all these carrots hanging everywhere
if gge do know then everything thats going on has there backing and thats what they want so amen
its all down to the formula gge wants to use and what factors they use
most players write in here as they actually like this game lots and want to be playing it in 4 years time
but the fact is they want to keep 100/25 happy at the expense of 9900
im not picking on the mediators at all and its hard for them as every word they say is put through a microscope but i do think they seem limited on some things to what is actually happening on some servers and some severs do play different ways and to different standards
thanks for reading
bazz
to put it into content with above messages
if you keep 9900 happy then they will spend more time on here and log in more often and then spend more money on here where as these 100 although they do spend alot of money but they do have a maximum amount they will spend so they will never increase spending just move it around more
an example of that on our server is just adding a po item to storm events has increased players playing it
you could call that the x factor in the theory or equation which has been forgotten by gge
as for gazz message
going back to this 100 out of 10000
the biggest problem is most of them have 2 accounts and play on more than one server so that 100 could go down to as little as 25 to pin gge survival on possible only 25 and not 9900 does seem to be the wrong way to me
then you could say they could be the y factor in the theory or equation as they only want to cause havoc in one server for a time then move to another and cause havoc there thus that makes players in the 9900 group negative play less and spend less but the actions of the 100/25 dont show the same commitment for the game thats needed for it to carry on
then you do have to ask the money the 25 spend it does not add up at all
then last its simple
gge dont know whats going on or gge do know whats going on
if they dont know then amen i just hope there other half never asks them to go food shopping on there own sorry for this or maybe they do as thats why we have all these carrots hanging everywhere
if gge do know then everything thats going on has there backing and thats what they want so amen
its all down to the formula gge wants to use and what factors they use
most players write in here as they actually like this game lots and want to be playing it in 4 years time
but the fact is they want to keep 100/25 happy at the expense of 9900
im not picking on the mediators at all and its hard for them as every word they say is put through a microscope but i do think they seem limited on some things to what is actually happening on some servers and some severs do play different ways and to different standards
thanks for reading
bazz
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skel (GB1) [GB1]
:: Sept. 7, 2021, 5:59 p.m.
Does the Perato Principle account for the currencies these big spenders are using? I thought not. The biggest spenders on GB1 are most certainly not paying in pounds sterling.
And there lies your problem, GGS not only failed to act on the currency manipulators they actually went and introduced new payment methods that made it easier for them in a sort of "grab what we can while we can" philosophy.
The game is past being on its arse, it is dead. Just a few diehards left now that either think they are Billy Big Bollox because they use their cheap currency to load up on troops etc or like most of us they just log in for an hour or so to catch up with old mates. The latter have no interest in spending anymore to compete in events or fight wars, Why would we? We wouldnt be ripped of in real life so wont be letting it happen in a game.
GGS have failed the customer, a cardinal sin of any business.
And there lies your problem, GGS not only failed to act on the currency manipulators they actually went and introduced new payment methods that made it easier for them in a sort of "grab what we can while we can" philosophy.
The game is past being on its arse, it is dead. Just a few diehards left now that either think they are Billy Big Bollox because they use their cheap currency to load up on troops etc or like most of us they just log in for an hour or so to catch up with old mates. The latter have no interest in spending anymore to compete in events or fight wars, Why would we? We wouldnt be ripped of in real life so wont be letting it happen in a game.
GGS have failed the customer, a cardinal sin of any business.