Forum: empire-en
Board: [589] Strategy & Tactics Discussion
Topic: [104197] Question on Castle Defense?
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Bernric [None]
:: March 13, 2014, 7:42 p.m.
I was told that the best wall defense is to put 100% on one flank and no one on the other flank of the main gate. Can someone tell me why this is a good idea. Maybe I have watched too many movies where the bad guys come over the unguarded wall but I feel like doing this is leaving me vulnerable to an attack. Thanks in advance!
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D1237 (US1) [None]
:: March 13, 2014, 10:11 p.m.
I was told that the best wall defense is to put 100% on one flank and no one on the other flank of the main gate. Can someone tell me why this is a good idea. Maybe I have watched too many movies where the bad guys come over the unguarded wall but I feel like doing this is leaving me vulnerable to an attack. Thanks in advance!
'Best' is a misused word, and even intention but understandable from where you probably sit.
The reason the 0-0-100 (or 100-0-0) defense is used is for several reasons:
In no particular order and based on my own knowledge not anyone elses;
-To help alliance support not take heavy casualties if say you are being multi hit
-To minimize your own casualties on the wall
-To make it more difficult for the attacker to gain a +30% combat power bonus in the keep
-The number of defending troops is the same no matter which section you fully defend.
Yet on the flanks, you get a relative combat power advantage many times because
The attacker can only send 1/3 the amount of troops he can on the gate.
Combat power is king, so if say your 260 defense troops (level 4 walls and towers)
Get to fight his 50 (example) troops - you have an advantage.
Much more so than if the same 260 have to fight 150 on a gate wave.
-To force the opponent into sort of attacking the gate blindly
These are just a few off the top of my head.
The other question - Why NOT to do it, is also a good one.
I'll try to explain it the best I can :
The disadvantage of the 0-0-100 is that you are conceding that any decent opponent if you are OFFLINE can and will get a high % of their troops into the keep no problem. If they bring a good commander you may well lose completely just due to that.
Also, defending one flank minimizes the amount of troops you can kill on the walls. If you
have a good castellan and good defensive tools - you may well want as much exposure to enemy troops as possible - it just depends on the situation.
If you did want that, the gate is much better (0-100-0) because you might 'easily' kill alot of the enemy force just due to beating their tool setup with yours.
Then whats left gets into the keep hasn't a chance if you have any extra troops. But as you can imagine - this works alot better if you are ONLINE.
Offline, good opponents will beat whatever setup on the gate you have as long as they have ruby tools.
As far as why alliances might like a 0-0-100 defense :
Friendly allies hope you do not lose the flank and don't mind if you lose the gate and other flank because it means that the attacker will not get a 30% combat power bonus going into the keep battle - which is all they hope for. If you don't know what that means read up on keep bonuses. If you guard one flank only, preventing an attacker keep bonus has a better chance of happening most of the time. This is especially popular strategy for being offline.
0-0-100 does not guarantee you will not lose on the flank you DO defend, but its more about playing the odds.
Odds are generally tougher for the opponent to get the 30% attack bonus
in the keep if you use 0-0-100
If they are really good however and you are offline - you can be defeated even on that flank.
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Urúvion (US1) [None]
:: March 13, 2014, 10:32 p.m.
Really, you have to customize the defense to the attack, but 98/1/1 (or 1/1/98) is a good offline defence. The reason I say 98/1/1(or 1/1/98) instead of 100/0/0 (or 0/0/100) is because you want to be able to take advantage of your opponents mistake, if (s)he makes one. Allot of lower level/mid level players don't know how to set up a 'good' attack, I've see attacks with troops on only one flank or only on the center. If you have 1% on the other two sections of wall, it will make sure you gain the +30% in the keep if the attacker only sends troops on one wall.
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deathsweeper (US1) [None]
:: March 14, 2014, 3:05 p.m.
.Really, you have to customize the defense to the attack, but 98/1/1 (or 1/1/98) is a good offline defence. The reason I say 98/1/1(or 1/1/98) instead of 100/0/0 (or 0/0/100) is because you want to be able to take advantage of your opponents mistake, if (s)he makes one. Allot of lower level/mid level players don't know how to set up a 'good' attack, I've see attacks with troops on only one flank or only on the center. If you have 1% on the other two sections of wall, it will make sure you gain the +30% in the keep if the attacker only sends troops on one wall
theres no reason for that though, if you put 100-0-0 and you opponent sends al troops down middle then he will get -30%, as long as your opponent sends it only on one flank then he will get -30%, it dosent matter wether or not you have troops there, it matters if he has troops there. So your just wasting 2% that way.
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MegWantstoSayHi (US1) [None]
:: March 14, 2014, 3:12 p.m.
deathsweeper wrote: ».
theres no reason for that though, if you put 100-0-0 and you opponent sends al troops down middle then he will get -30%, as long as your opponent sends it only on one flank then he will get -30%, it dosent matter wether or not you have troops there, it matters if he has troops there. So your just wasting 2% that way.
That's right. He will get the -30% If he only defeats one wall anyway whether you have troops there or not.
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Urúvion (US1) [None]
:: March 14, 2014, 3:14 p.m.
deathsweeper wrote: ».
theres no reason for that though, if you put 100-0-0 and you opponent sends al troops down middle then he will get -30%, as long as your opponent sends it only on one flank then he will get -30%, it dosent matter wether or not you have troops there, it matters if he has troops there. So your just wasting 2% that way.
I've always thought the opposite...
Well, you learn something new every day.
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pacmanzkocky [None]
:: March 14, 2014, 4:56 p.m.
I was told that the best wall defense is to put 100% on one flank and no one on the other flank of the main gate. Can someone tell me why this is a good idea. Maybe I have watched too many movies where the bad guys come over the unguarded wall but I feel like doing this is leaving me vulnerable to an attack. Thanks in advance!
this is good if u have good alliance for support but there lot of different setup iv seen but 100 on one flank is the basic setup
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cat402 [None]
:: March 23, 2014, 2:31 p.m.
The idea is that the 100% will make it very hard to breach that flank, so the best they can get in the keep is 0% bonus. It works if the person does not know how to set up an attack, and thinks they need minimal troops to go though the other side and win essialy. Tehn they meet the 100% in the keep. Opps. I use it when I'm not online, but when i am online I adjust defense to the attack for a better chance of winning.
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Streidominating (INT1) [INT1]
:: March 28, 2014, 8:19 a.m.
As the others mentioned, a 100% defense is only really good to secure that the attacker doesn't get the +30% to his troops strength during an inactivity period so the alliance members are more encouraged to help you defend at the keep.
A good castellan is also necessary, not a wall, gate or moat protection bonus, but a raw bonus to the strength of your soldiers and the soldiers from the support. Support troops, as I understood it, receive the bonus from YOUR castellan and not from the alliance member's commander. That doesn't mean additional moat/wall protection is bad. (in case of defending flanks only, gate is not necessary) It helps defending the 100% flank.
Keep in mind, thats only for when you dont see an attack coming. If you see an attack coming you can alter your defense accordingly, making an unbreakable wall defense if you have the tools/troops.
A good castellan is also necessary, not a wall, gate or moat protection bonus, but a raw bonus to the strength of your soldiers and the soldiers from the support. Support troops, as I understood it, receive the bonus from YOUR castellan and not from the alliance member's commander. That doesn't mean additional moat/wall protection is bad. (in case of defending flanks only, gate is not necessary) It helps defending the 100% flank.
Keep in mind, thats only for when you dont see an attack coming. If you see an attack coming you can alter your defense accordingly, making an unbreakable wall defense if you have the tools/troops.