Forum: empire-en
Board: [589] Strategy & Tactics Discussion
Topic: [326864] Best FL and BC strategy?
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dreadnought (AU1) [None]
:: Jan. 11, 2017, 6:13 a.m.
Honestly, I can't seem to get glory without losing more than 500 troops a battle. Sure, 60k is a lot for some people, but to even consider making top 100 I need to do much better.
I attack them by using all ranged for the first two waves on the weakest flanks, and maybe the middle - (reduce wall and ranged, or wall ranged and gate) Third and fourth waves I fill in with melee. Then I add in my best banners.
I lose around 500 per battle, getting 15k a battle if I use some banners.
I find that the armies sometimes change flanks if I don't use tools on flanks without troops. Others say that they can get support if your army is too slow?
I attack them by using all ranged for the first two waves on the weakest flanks, and maybe the middle - (reduce wall and ranged, or wall ranged and gate) Third and fourth waves I fill in with melee. Then I add in my best banners.
I lose around 500 per battle, getting 15k a battle if I use some banners.
I find that the armies sometimes change flanks if I don't use tools on flanks without troops. Others say that they can get support if your army is too slow?
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Venom (ASIA1) [ASIA1]
:: Jan. 11, 2017, 10:52 a.m.
My tips would to place 1 troops on each the front and both flanks for the first wave. Reason being is that FC's only have 1 wave worth of tools (look at the second wave on an attack and there will be no tools used). Then us the castellan as a guide to to use tools. E.g. +50% range use 10 shield walls.
Use at least 1 flank gem on a commander. This means a better loss to kill ratio on the wall.
If the wall is full melee use 2-3 boulders and wall tools with range in the attack (flank gem will be very useful in this situation)
You don't always have to take all 3 parts of the wall. You need to see how many troops are in the courtyard and decided weather to attack all 3 or just 2 (never 1)
Just like there most of the defenders in the courtyard were farmers so I could easily take them out without attacking the other part of the wall saving tools.
You also can attack both the middle and the flank there are no troops on so you do not use any troops on the wall. This is useful when attacking a castle what has 75% melee troops on the wall and 25% range. The castle will need under 400 defenders for this though or you will lose more troops then you would attacking the wall. (also need some good courtyard gems minimum of 35% I would recommend)
~Dark Venom
Use at least 1 flank gem on a commander. This means a better loss to kill ratio on the wall.
If the wall is full melee use 2-3 boulders and wall tools with range in the attack (flank gem will be very useful in this situation)
You don't always have to take all 3 parts of the wall. You need to see how many troops are in the courtyard and decided weather to attack all 3 or just 2 (never 1)
Just like there most of the defenders in the courtyard were farmers so I could easily take them out without attacking the other part of the wall saving tools.
You also can attack both the middle and the flank there are no troops on so you do not use any troops on the wall. This is useful when attacking a castle what has 75% melee troops on the wall and 25% range. The castle will need under 400 defenders for this though or you will lose more troops then you would attacking the wall. (also need some good courtyard gems minimum of 35% I would recommend)
~Dark Venom
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Raggle Fock (US1) [None]
:: Jan. 11, 2017, 1:14 p.m.
first wave tool burn
2nd wave mantlets + ranged
3rd wave: flanks mantlets + ranged, center melee
4th wave: melee
Of course it ocmpletely depends on what your commander is but you always want to take all 3 walls
2nd wave mantlets + ranged
3rd wave: flanks mantlets + ranged, center melee
4th wave: melee
Of course it ocmpletely depends on what your commander is but you always want to take all 3 walls
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DHDF22 (US1) [None]
:: Jan. 11, 2017, 5:20 p.m.
You wont see the big glory hits like you see others getting until you get to a 5th wave, 6th wavers are the ones that get the huge 700k-1M+ hits
4 waves you aren't going to take out much more than a 3-4k target even with a great comm with high CY. Many of your tool slots are going to be filled with regular tools instead of glory banners.
Keep doing what you can but work on hall and get your 5th wave, will be the greatest thing you could ever do to get more glory in hits.
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Musashi (ASIA1) [None]
:: Jan. 11, 2017, 7:42 p.m.
yeah, i've never had 5 waves, but highest i killed in one go was 4,650 def and got 230k glory, don't really think i'll get more then that with 4 waves, especially with how bad they all are, don't think if i hit 2000 of them in one event i will get higher than 1.5k 
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dreadnought (AU1) [None]
:: Jan. 11, 2017, 10:03 p.m.
Martyr waves I only ever use when I know I won't need as many troops to beat the easier target. And do castellan effects show in the enemy defence setup when I espionage them?
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Venom (ASIA1) [ASIA1]
:: Jan. 12, 2017, 5:49 a.m.
dreadnought (AU1) said:Martyr waves I only ever use when I know I won't need as many troops to beat the easier target. And do castellan effects show in the enemy defence setup when I espionage them?
This what you mean? Nevermind all the arrows I get carried away when doing this stuff :P
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dreadnought (AU1) [None]
:: Jan. 12, 2017, 8:50 a.m.
Nevermind that, I solved my issue (one of many, lol)
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Aries (AU1) [AU1]
:: Jan. 12, 2017, 9:39 a.m.
How do you get the big ones lol?
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Revolc (GB1) [None]
:: Jan. 12, 2017, 10:23 a.m.
Don't do that lol. Armorer tools should only be used in PvP hits.Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:Then us the castellan as a guide to to use tools. E.g. +50% range use 10 shield walls.
If the wall is full melee use 2-3 boulders and wall tools with range in the attack
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Venom (ASIA1) [ASIA1]
:: Jan. 12, 2017, 1:36 p.m.
I only use sammy bombs for attacks seeing most people now are smart enough to defend and lose less troops then the attacker uses.Revolc (GB1) said:Don't do that lol. Armorer tools should only be used in PvP hits.Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:Then us the castellan as a guide to to use tools. E.g. +50% range use 10 shield walls.
If the wall is full melee use 2-3 boulders and wall tools with range in the attack
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Revolc (GB1) [None]
:: Jan. 12, 2017, 2:43 p.m.
Sammy bombs?Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:I only use sammy bombs for attacks seeing most people now are smart enough to defend and lose less troops then the attacker uses.Revolc (GB1) said:Don't do that lol. Armorer tools should only be used in PvP hits.Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:Then us the castellan as a guide to to use tools. E.g. +50% range use 10 shield walls.
If the wall is full melee use 2-3 boulders and wall tools with range in the attack
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Venom (ASIA1) [ASIA1]
:: Jan. 13, 2017, 1:21 p.m.
You make a speed/detection comm and attack the 2 side the defender doesn't defend and there is no time for alliances to support and minimal time to change set up. (so you only do this to people that don't have tools up on all parts of the wall)Revolc (GB1) said:Sammy bombs?Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:I only use sammy bombs for attacks seeing most people now are smart enough to defend and lose less troops then the attacker uses.Revolc (GB1) said:Don't do that lol. Armorer tools should only be used in PvP hits.Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:Then us the castellan as a guide to to use tools. E.g. +50% range use 10 shield walls.
If the wall is full melee use 2-3 boulders and wall tools with range in the attack
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Revolc (GB1) [None]
:: Jan. 13, 2017, 1:31 p.m.
Can't take out alot of defenders that way (not much glory too). And any decent alliance will bird their attackers.Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:You make a speed/detection comm and attack the 2 side the defender doesn't defend and there is no time for alliances to support and minimal time to change set up. (so you only do this to people that don't have tools up on all parts of the wall)Revolc (GB1) said:Sammy bombs?Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:I only use sammy bombs for attacks seeing most people now are smart enough to defend and lose less troops then the attacker uses.Revolc (GB1) said:Don't do that lol. Armorer tools should only be used in PvP hits.Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:Then us the castellan as a guide to to use tools. E.g. +50% range use 10 shield walls.
If the wall is full melee use 2-3 boulders and wall tools with range in the attack
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Venom (ASIA1) [ASIA1]
:: Jan. 13, 2017, 2:06 p.m.
it is usually a 1:1.5 kill ratio so it is better than most armour attacks. and when people are online it is very hard for them to get attackers out of the castle.Revolc (GB1) said:Can't take out alot of defenders that way (not much glory too). And any decent alliance will bird their attackers.Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:You make a speed/detection comm and attack the 2 side the defender doesn't defend and there is no time for alliances to support and minimal time to change set up. (so you only do this to people that don't have tools up on all parts of the wall)Revolc (GB1) said:Sammy bombs?Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:I only use sammy bombs for attacks seeing most people now are smart enough to defend and lose less troops then the attacker uses.Revolc (GB1) said:Don't do that lol. Armorer tools should only be used in PvP hits.Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:Then us the castellan as a guide to to use tools. E.g. +50% range use 10 shield walls.
If the wall is full melee use 2-3 boulders and wall tools with range in the attack
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DHDF22 (US1) [None]
:: Jan. 13, 2017, 4:34 p.m.
Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:You make a speed/detection comm and attack the 2 side the defender doesn't defend and there is no time for alliances to support and minimal time to change set up. (so you only do this to people that don't have tools up on all parts of the wall)Revolc (GB1) said:Sammy bombs?Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:I only use sammy bombs for attacks seeing most people now are smart enough to defend and lose less troops then the attacker uses.Revolc (GB1) said:Don't do that lol. Armorer tools should only be used in PvP hits.Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:Then us the castellan as a guide to to use tools. E.g. +50% range use 10 shield walls.
If the wall is full melee use 2-3 boulders and wall tools with range in the attack
??? You know FL and BC castles are basically NPC targets right? You're basically trying to sneak up on a stone LOL. They can change sometimes, but it has nothing to do with someone on the other end, there isn't a person or alliance defending your attack.
A little tip for others on here, FC and BC castles only have D tools up enough for the 1st wave. If you send 1 attacker on the wall they are defending on first wave (sac wave some are talking about) there will be no tools on any other waves. A little math is required, you can deduct 150 from walls if they had 3 murder holes up. Check cast to see what actual range is, will be somewhere between 100-190%, wont need 300% worth of shield tools if they had slits up, etc.
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Revolc (GB1) [None]
:: Jan. 13, 2017, 5:29 p.m.
Yeah but armorer tools should be saved for PvP. Trust me, you'll regret it late if you use them on NPCs.Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:it is usually a 1:1.5 kill ratio so it is better than most armour attacks. and when people are online it is very hard for them to get attackers out of the castle.Revolc (GB1) said:Can't take out alot of defenders that way (not much glory too). And any decent alliance will bird their attackers.Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:You make a speed/detection comm and attack the 2 side the defender doesn't defend and there is no time for alliances to support and minimal time to change set up. (so you only do this to people that don't have tools up on all parts of the wall)Revolc (GB1) said:Sammy bombs?Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:I only use sammy bombs for attacks seeing most people now are smart enough to defend and lose less troops then the attacker uses.Revolc (GB1) said:Don't do that lol. Armorer tools should only be used in PvP hits.Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:Then us the castellan as a guide to to use tools. E.g. +50% range use 10 shield walls.
If the wall is full melee use 2-3 boulders and wall tools with range in the attack
Pretty sure he's talking about PvP lol.DHDF22 (US1) said:Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:You make a speed/detection comm and attack the 2 side the defender doesn't defend and there is no time for alliances to support and minimal time to change set up. (so you only do this to people that don't have tools up on all parts of the wall)Revolc (GB1) said:Sammy bombs?Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:I only use sammy bombs for attacks seeing most people now are smart enough to defend and lose less troops then the attacker uses.Revolc (GB1) said:Don't do that lol. Armorer tools should only be used in PvP hits.Dark Venom (ASIA1) said:Then us the castellan as a guide to to use tools. E.g. +50% range use 10 shield walls.
If the wall is full melee use 2-3 boulders and wall tools with range in the attack??? You know FL and BC castles are basically NPC targets right? You're basically trying to sneak up on a stone LOL. They can change sometimes, but it has nothing to do with someone on the other end, there isn't a person or alliance defending your attack.