Forum: empire-en
Board: [589] Strategy & Tactics Discussion
Topic: [331659] What is firecast?
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ELLEHero (US1) [US1]
:: March 29, 2017, 1:10 a.m.
I was told to invest in firecast. What is it?
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Graycat (US1) (Banned) [None]
:: March 29, 2017, 1:21 a.m.
it's where you use castellan equipment with fire-reducing effects 
bad idea
the empire game world is fire-phobic, and it's a contagious disease...
bad idea
the empire game world is fire-phobic, and it's a contagious disease...
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xx Princess xx (GB1) [GB1]
:: March 29, 2017, 11:36 a.m.
Lol.. Correct Graycat on the Cast info, but wrong on the rest...
Get one Ellehero, infact get seven
Get one Ellehero, infact get seven
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Graycat (US1) (Banned) [None]
:: March 30, 2017, 1:04 p.m.
Only people who don't know how to defend use firecasts.
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Raggle Fock (US1) [None]
:: March 30, 2017, 3:40 p.m.
Correction:Graycat (US1) said:Only people who don't know how to defend use firecasts.
Only people who don't know how to defend use firecasts when not in a serious war
When in a serious war, firecasts tend to be more cost effective.
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: March 30, 2017, 6:36 p.m.
I have about 9 firecastas all up ??
I also have 7 fully teched castas to defend properly with BIG gems so they have a shot in the CY.
I both hate the use of fire castas and encourage their use, so I am a hypocrite on this and then some. But here goes...
The reality is you cant defend every attack that comes in these days, its impossible, both individually and as an alliance. Its also stupid to try and do so. Fire castas are a way to "take the hit" without opening gates and having the posibility of starving.
They are both a necesity for people that own capitals and metro's as well as the every day player. You CANNOT defend a capital or metro against the large gems and KT bonus's these days its just stupid, so you should always firecasta these when they are getting hit by a serious attack.
Likewise, you need 20k and big gems on your casta in the keep to get 1-1 defence results these days with say a kala casta ?? No hall in defence but if its a semi strong not full demon hit you CAN hold the wall, you just need troops in the CY. Reality is the attacker will have 121 or more CY advantage from the full FI set or likewise. You have 35? 45? CY strength from the kala casta. So you need those defensive numbers to have a shot at getting a decent defence.
Now, in sayign that, it isnt an option to defend everything when you get truckloads of incommign hits, not talkign about 3-4 hits but talking about 25-45 hits ormore at one time. all 5-6 waves with loads of free event demons etc, you cant defend them all.
How do i figure this out, its simple really, your OPs on average produce 15k food your main 10k food you have the capacity to feed 22k defenders in GE without being negative, 6k defenders in all the OP's and 4k in your main while being positive for food. 20k is what you need in the keep to make sure you get a 1-1 defence result or about that.
You need alliance support to get those numbers in your OP's and not everyone runs those defender numbers, they are HIGH. So lets say everyone does just for the sake of an arguement here. Thats 22k defenders x 65 people. Enough to stop 65 full hits and have a good defence, not all 65 people will be on at any time and in reality, your rucked, and I mean fucked without at least 20k in the keep with a good casta.
So, you can defend as many hits as you can get 20k defenders to until your alliance runs out of defenders. This means at some point, when you have lots of incommigns, your hits will show up later and you WONT be able to get alliance syupport. So you have 2 choices, pull the defendners you sent to someone else and loose 6k of your own defenders with a SHIT defence because you cant get support and the hit you pulled your defenders fromgets even more losses as well.
Or you OG and loose all your reso, or you firecasta.
It has a place, defence should always be the first option, but you have to lok at defence like you look at attacking. You pick when you defend and you only do it when you can get 20k + defenders in the keep with a good casta otherwise, you firecasta and remove your troops, take the hit so to speak...
How to make them, well, you loot. Pretty simple, then you match the bits up for the stats you want.
You can MAX 3 stats with looted legendary gear. What you want to max is 2 primarily, -50 fire and -70 loot. 3rd your after would probably be early detect so you can see the hit commign and if possible swap the casta over and defend. Primary stats though, -50 fire, -70 loot.
Le tthe hatters hate.
I also have 7 fully teched castas to defend properly with BIG gems so they have a shot in the CY.
I both hate the use of fire castas and encourage their use, so I am a hypocrite on this and then some. But here goes...
The reality is you cant defend every attack that comes in these days, its impossible, both individually and as an alliance. Its also stupid to try and do so. Fire castas are a way to "take the hit" without opening gates and having the posibility of starving.
They are both a necesity for people that own capitals and metro's as well as the every day player. You CANNOT defend a capital or metro against the large gems and KT bonus's these days its just stupid, so you should always firecasta these when they are getting hit by a serious attack.
Likewise, you need 20k and big gems on your casta in the keep to get 1-1 defence results these days with say a kala casta ?? No hall in defence but if its a semi strong not full demon hit you CAN hold the wall, you just need troops in the CY. Reality is the attacker will have 121 or more CY advantage from the full FI set or likewise. You have 35? 45? CY strength from the kala casta. So you need those defensive numbers to have a shot at getting a decent defence.
Now, in sayign that, it isnt an option to defend everything when you get truckloads of incommign hits, not talkign about 3-4 hits but talking about 25-45 hits ormore at one time. all 5-6 waves with loads of free event demons etc, you cant defend them all.
How do i figure this out, its simple really, your OPs on average produce 15k food your main 10k food you have the capacity to feed 22k defenders in GE without being negative, 6k defenders in all the OP's and 4k in your main while being positive for food. 20k is what you need in the keep to make sure you get a 1-1 defence result or about that.
You need alliance support to get those numbers in your OP's and not everyone runs those defender numbers, they are HIGH. So lets say everyone does just for the sake of an arguement here. Thats 22k defenders x 65 people. Enough to stop 65 full hits and have a good defence, not all 65 people will be on at any time and in reality, your rucked, and I mean fucked without at least 20k in the keep with a good casta.
So, you can defend as many hits as you can get 20k defenders to until your alliance runs out of defenders. This means at some point, when you have lots of incommigns, your hits will show up later and you WONT be able to get alliance syupport. So you have 2 choices, pull the defendners you sent to someone else and loose 6k of your own defenders with a SHIT defence because you cant get support and the hit you pulled your defenders fromgets even more losses as well.
Or you OG and loose all your reso, or you firecasta.
It has a place, defence should always be the first option, but you have to lok at defence like you look at attacking. You pick when you defend and you only do it when you can get 20k + defenders in the keep with a good casta otherwise, you firecasta and remove your troops, take the hit so to speak...
How to make them, well, you loot. Pretty simple, then you match the bits up for the stats you want.
You can MAX 3 stats with looted legendary gear. What you want to max is 2 primarily, -50 fire and -70 loot. 3rd your after would probably be early detect so you can see the hit commign and if possible swap the casta over and defend. Primary stats though, -50 fire, -70 loot.
Le tthe hatters hate.
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maverique (GB1) [GB1]
:: March 31, 2017, 12:16 a.m.
Nice posts.
But what princess and himnextdoor aint realising is....
For a fire cast to negate fires it needs 100 negation after comm lands.
Would burn in 1 hit....if choice was fire cast ...
But what princess and himnextdoor aint realising is....
For a fire cast to negate fires it needs 100 negation after comm lands.
Would burn in 1 hit....if choice was fire cast ...
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Plum II (GB1) [None]
:: March 31, 2017, 7:07 a.m.
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: March 31, 2017, 7:49 a.m.
lol, you pull out the kala good luck for the FI or Crow rocking up straight after...
you dont hit individually with firecomms, you double and tripple tap, its just how its done
you dont hit individually with firecomms, you double and tripple tap, its just how its done
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Wasso (INT3) [INT3]
:: April 1, 2017, 12:44 a.m.
JJJJJJSK (AU1) said:
It has a place, defence should always be the first option, but you have to lok at defence like you look at attacking. You pick when you defend and you only do it when you can get 20k + defenders in the keep with a good casta otherwise, you firecasta and remove your troops, take the hit so to speak...
THIS is what the game is really about, IMO. LOOKING at the incoming attack. CAN you beat it? There is nothing better than finding the weak spot in the attacking army, resetting your defense to exploit it, and watching all those attackers go *POOF* with minimal losses. On the other hand, a PROPERLY tooled attack with a strong Commander will cost way more than it is worth to defend. Also, not everyone has 20k+ defenders in their Alliance.
If you can beat it, defend.
If you cannot, firecast.
If you are offline, DON'T FORGET to set your defense properly.
I put that last one in to remind myself. I HATE when I do that.................
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Redbeauty84 (AU1) [None]
:: April 1, 2017, 4:36 a.m.
I find it hilarious that jjjjjjsk would actually encourage the use of fire castas when he whines and complains everytime he hits those in my alliance who use their firecastas against him. because he leaves no flames in the castles of those who have decent fire castas on. and LOL even when he tripple hits someone he still leaves no flames against a decent fire casta using his fire coms......the bonus trick that none of the above have mentioned is that you must pair your fire casta with at least a level 1 fire station in every one of your castles.
So yes use your fire castas and loot castas, early warning is great on the casta but you can get that from your research tower, and by having a upgraded watchtower. aside from the fire and loot reduction having a moat bonus is more ideal.
and it doesn't matter if your in a big alliance or small alliance anyone who is level 70 and put in the time to get the 5th and 6th waves can still give a good whack at you so do make sure you have decent castas that have the high wall/gate/moat % on them preferably the range at 90/90 with as much courtyard gems you can get. you don't actually need 20k defence to withstand a 5 wave attack even if the commander coming at you has gems or stats that allow you to send more attackers on either the flanks or front. 6-10k defence can do it easily enough. 6 wave hits coming at you? then use your fire casta and take the defeat from the attack but win it by not giving the attack much in the way of glory and loot.
So yes use your fire castas and loot castas, early warning is great on the casta but you can get that from your research tower, and by having a upgraded watchtower. aside from the fire and loot reduction having a moat bonus is more ideal.
and it doesn't matter if your in a big alliance or small alliance anyone who is level 70 and put in the time to get the 5th and 6th waves can still give a good whack at you so do make sure you have decent castas that have the high wall/gate/moat % on them preferably the range at 90/90 with as much courtyard gems you can get. you don't actually need 20k defence to withstand a 5 wave attack even if the commander coming at you has gems or stats that allow you to send more attackers on either the flanks or front. 6-10k defence can do it easily enough. 6 wave hits coming at you? then use your fire casta and take the defeat from the attack but win it by not giving the attack much in the way of glory and loot.
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: April 1, 2017, 8:54 p.m.
@Redbeauty84 (AU1)JJJJJJSK (AU1) said:I have about 9 firecastas all up ??
I also have 7 fully teched castas to defend properly with BIG gems so they have a shot in the CY.
I both hate the use of fire castas and encourage their use, so I am a hypocrite on this and then some. But here goes...
Read my opening line, im saying I have 2 views on this that are vastly different. All my firecastas as well when offline have a set up of 0-100-0 or 0-0-100. I dont beleive their is a place for tool raking when using a firecasta, that is the one thing I object to these days. You choose to use it, thats sweet, I got no issues, toolrake its bleh. You dont know the history of alot of the members in your current alliance that exists between our alliance. From esping your castas, they are horrific, to people reading yoru posts, Ill highlight, the person providing them doesnt have a single casta that has maxxed stats for the use they have been build, be they to defend or to be used as a firecasta.
As to large alliances are all pact etc etc... My most prominant target is @jennyj (AU1) I hit her constantly and she is not a weak target nor is hers a weak alliance. For every hit I do on other people / alliances I do 2 on Jenny.
Their is a larger part to this that NO-ONE addresses. This game is NOT about PvP to a large extent now. It's about events. Why would you carry defenders that can't earn you stuff in events when you can run firecastas and 0 defenders in GE ?? I can EARN more in events that way...
The only thing that I can see changing that is the food consumption of defenders being changed to either 2 per hour or 3 per hour so you can carry more defenders than attackers for the food consumption. This would make INDIVIDUALLY defending more realistic alogn with enablig troops transfers between the outters and OPs for a reduced coin cost than currently exists.
Fire stations, firecastas and firegems dont mean shit when I sent my firecomm at you... You still burn, you defend that is great, I often dont send the fire comm until I have taken out all the alliances defence im going against, you dont start using a firecomm unless you have a reason.
No offence @Redbeauty84 (AU1), people in your alliance got burnt and destroyed in INVICTUS, changed alliance name and are now in another no-name alliance. The game dynamics that allow me and others to do that still exist, its just your not worthy of my attention. You dont understand or comprehend those game dynamics properly either. Fires used to absolutly KILL you for food production and many other things, those affects have been nerfed big time nowdays.
PvP has been killed off systematically in this game over time and replaced by events. Looting for good comms and castas has been killed off by events as well with the only thing that doesnt hold true to is fire comms or fire castas. so far vast majority of people I have encountered with firecastas have USED them to replace defending, that is a poor choice. However its one that people make when they dont understand the game dynamics.
Realistically, their is NO reason to defend in GE at all apart from your main for FI attacks, even then a firecasta will do. This is an issue that has to be addressed before all others to restore game balance, nothing else. Without that its an event based game.
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Redbeauty84 (AU1) [None]
:: April 2, 2017, 7:26 a.m.
Actually jjjjsk I know quite alot about the games dynamics, and I am very knowledgeable on how to defend etc. I just choose not to when it comes from yourself or anyone else in your alliance. None of you are actually worth giving the glory or loot to. I do have maxed stats on many of my commanders and castilians but I am wise enough not to show them to the whole server. I would rather have you underestimate me and what I can do. So that on the day that I do decide to defend against you, or anyone from your alliance you will be crying in your seat because you would have lost all your ruby tools and all your troops both attackers and defenders.
My allaince is not burned out nor are we a no name alliance. We are still INVICTUS just chose to use a new alliance name to give us a fresh start. and yes I do know the history of invictus I have been in this alliance for a long time. i was in the alliance when lalana, squid, black widdow, big pete, onegypssy, tood, and a few others were all still in invictus. I learnt alot from them. I also taught myself alot of things about the game also, as well as learnt from our current members. You have no idea who we all are and what we can do simply because we don't think you are worthy of our knowledge or our time. Nor our friendship, why would we want to be friends with you? Considering all the not so nice things you have said and done to us?
You are the one without the true history or knowledge of my alliance members not me. And I did read through your boring dribble and laughed my head off at it. because you don't actually understand the true concept of using a firecasta. And NO you haven't given us flames at all with your fire coms if you think you did you are delusional. You might want to go get your eyes checked. Sure we burned during our war with the seps but that is nothing to us. it didn't impact on our ability to tool rake and hit you did it? Nor did it truly impact on our efforts in the many events that go on.
Even during our long drawn out war with Argustuft which you had no right to interfere into by the way. the flames we gained although rather small I might add and easily fixed. since 1-12% damage from fires really don't have much impact in this game. I actually have been playing for a fair few years. So my knowledge of the politics on the server is quite vast. And just because i sat in the background of my invictus days leading up to the sep war doesn't mean i wasn't informed.
My allaince is not burned out nor are we a no name alliance. We are still INVICTUS just chose to use a new alliance name to give us a fresh start. and yes I do know the history of invictus I have been in this alliance for a long time. i was in the alliance when lalana, squid, black widdow, big pete, onegypssy, tood, and a few others were all still in invictus. I learnt alot from them. I also taught myself alot of things about the game also, as well as learnt from our current members. You have no idea who we all are and what we can do simply because we don't think you are worthy of our knowledge or our time. Nor our friendship, why would we want to be friends with you? Considering all the not so nice things you have said and done to us?
You are the one without the true history or knowledge of my alliance members not me. And I did read through your boring dribble and laughed my head off at it. because you don't actually understand the true concept of using a firecasta. And NO you haven't given us flames at all with your fire coms if you think you did you are delusional. You might want to go get your eyes checked. Sure we burned during our war with the seps but that is nothing to us. it didn't impact on our ability to tool rake and hit you did it? Nor did it truly impact on our efforts in the many events that go on.
Even during our long drawn out war with Argustuft which you had no right to interfere into by the way. the flames we gained although rather small I might add and easily fixed. since 1-12% damage from fires really don't have much impact in this game. I actually have been playing for a fair few years. So my knowledge of the politics on the server is quite vast. And just because i sat in the background of my invictus days leading up to the sep war doesn't mean i wasn't informed.
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Freydis (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 2, 2017, 8:32 a.m.
Very well said Redbeauty...and as I have been ordered by JJJJJJSK never to answer any of his posts on the server and he has recently ignored my pms...the only opportunity to say my piece will now be in the forums.
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Redbeauty84 (AU1) [None]
:: April 2, 2017, 8:46 a.m.
Thanks Carol Always a pleasure to play the game alongside you.
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Freydis (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 2, 2017, 8:54 a.m.
Really, JJJJJJSK?
Did you finally see the reasoning behind my 9 fire castas and copied my set up? LOL....after all the digs at me about not defending? Or not knowing how to defend?
Like Redbeauty above, I was also a member of INVICTUS, for a long time, when parra, blackwidow, and others were members and do know a lot of the history and that history is still posted on our notice board, but of course you would not know this unless one of your spies informed you.
I have also played GGE for many years and understand the way the game used to be played and you do underestimate our abilities.
Regarding your post, I play GGE differently than most, placing fire castas on every castle and OP at all times, then I choose when and when not to defend, a lot less stressful when fighting you, JJJJJJSK.
I too, have a full itinerary of high level castas also and may choose any of them to defend where and when i think necessary. My attacker can never be sure which casta I will use and does not have the ability to set his or her attack to counter.
But in your eyes up until recently this play was not acceptable. The so called 'no named alliance' changed from the name of INVICTUS, was one of the first alliances on AUS1 server to use fire castas, much to our enemies frustration and complaints and only recently have they decided to build their own fire castas and counter our defence using fire coms.
Yes, your fire coms sting, but i can still choose to defend with one of my castas, if I so wish.
As many who play are still vulnerable to 6 wave attacks most alliances need to use some form of defence and fire castas are now a necessity.
I also laughed when I read what you posted above about you now owning so many fire castas....I am so glad I have taught you to do something in this game after all you have taught me many things.....like defend my op....the one you tried to cap last month....
Carolyn
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Redbeauty84 (AU1) [None]
:: April 2, 2017, 9:03 a.m.
Oh yeah I remember that day very well as I sent some defenders to that op was an eventful day that was for sure but we at PHOENIX came out victorious 
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Freydis (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 2, 2017, 9:16 a.m.
that we did
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Venom (ASIA1) [ASIA1]
:: April 2, 2017, 9:42 a.m.
Garbage. If you knew how to defend you would have put at least 1 wall gem on your best cast. Instead you have all courtyard gems and have made yourself give the wall away quite easily in 6th wave attacks. If you also knew how to defend you wouldn't have a 33-34-33 defense set up in literally all your castles except EW, but it isn't much better seeing it is 0-100-0Redbeauty84 (AU1) said:Actually jjjjsk I know quite alot about the games dynamics, and I am very knowledgeable on how to defend etc.
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Redbeauty84 (AU1) [None]
:: April 2, 2017, 9:52 a.m.
lol I like to keep it set like that because i like to rake any attacker coming at me. my castles all have fire castas on. using fire gems so don't know where your getting your incorrect info. you do not know the full extent of what I have in my storage where i keep the majority of my best castas and a few extra armour pieces to create either more fire castas or only half decent castas to lure the idiots into thinking i can't defend. Don't believe me? Ask those of my alliance who ahve before sent defence to my castles they will tell you I do know how to defend i just choose not to do so in the way that the big ruby players prefer me to do.