Forum: empire-en
Board: [589] Strategy & Tactics Discussion
Topic: [347444] Step by step battle calculation from wall up to courtyard
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Peter John (US1) [US1]
:: Feb. 5, 2018, 2:12 a.m.
Hmmm, what do you mean by "you should be using the melee defender's stat against ranged attackers"? The example presented as a Melee troops with stat as followed: 125 M def power / 25 M def power. BOTH stat belongs to the Melee defender used as case point.JYT (US1) said:Alcove read the troop desc wrong. Melee def are strong against melee attackers.Marchemedes (AU1) said:3) I think you might be trolling at this point. The description of a melee defender is they are strong against melee attackers. Seriously. If you have 100 melee defenders with 25 range power (2500) versus 100 range attackers with 125 range power (12500) with no other calculations involved... you can't work out what would win between 2500 and 12500? You've even written the numbers yourself.Alcove2 (US1) said:3. Based on the first question, the description of melee defenders say that they are strong against ranged attackers, while the ranged attackers are described as strong against melee defenders. So if a wall is only melee defenders (say stat of 125 melee/25 range) and you attack the wall with equal number of ranged attackers (say a same stat of 125 range), which side would the system favor if no tools are used? And vice versa, what about a similar situation but with Ranged defenders only and Melee attackers only?Marchemedes (AU1) said:
And you should be using the melee defender's stat against ranged attackers, since that is the attacking troop type.
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If you are saying that such Melee troops when attacked by pure Range attackers, it uses 125 (which is M def power) than you are wrong.
But if you are saying that when such Melee troops is attacked by pure range, it uses 25, then yes. BUT that's what Marchemedes said.
However, you are correct that if both def & att. completely wiped out, the defender win. The attackers win ONLY and IF ONLY there is at least 1 surviving attackers after CY battle. In case of wall section, similar logic apply, the wall section (any section, not just flank) is considered breached ONLY and IF ONLY there is at least 1 attackers enter CY from that wall section.
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Marchemedes (AU1) [AU1]
:: Feb. 5, 2018, 7:32 p.m.
Cheers @Peter John (US1) - I picked that up a little later after the second response, as I thought something was a bit fishy... regardless, the issue with the initial post from @Alcove2 (US1) was using melee troops in the first wave. The 3 points in the second post are fundamental misunderstandings of the game mechanics. He's basically not reading properly (yes, quite the hypocrite given I misread the first post).Peter John (US1) said:If you get 5-8%, then you are probably close, but not quite right. I can assure you (based on past 5Y BR checking) it won't go more than +/- 5% (well, except once a while right after some update that GGS screw up, but at the end once it stabilize, it should be within that range).BraveMike (INT1) said:...
Thanks for the advice, I made some calculation but it has a difference for about 5-8% in the battle result. and I already know how to compute the loss ratio, But one thing is I really need to know, how the system chose what troops will be remove or remain after the battle. for example I am the attacker and I use an assorted types of troops for attack, assuming that I already know the power calculation of both attacker and defender. is there any way can i figure out what troops will remain or remove? or it will be base on the power stat of each troops?
One more tip, for attackers, you should get 2 loss ratio, the M attackers & the R attackers. For defender, you should get only 1 loss ratio. Or in the other word, for attackers, the Melee loss is spread equally within all M type and the Range loss is within R type. while for the defenders the loss is spread equally within all defending troops.
@Alcove2 (US1) @Marchemedes (AU1) Before you two debate any further, do you both realize that what Alcove2 called Left flank is actually what he wrote it on the right part of that sentence??????Alcove2 (US1) said:...
For example, if the samurai camp has a layout of:
Right Flank 86 Melee 56 Range / Front 152 Melee 156 Range / Left Flank 30 Melee 114 Range,
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^^^He described the left flank on the right end of the statement.
So based on his example, I WOULD incline to attack left & center, HOWEVER I wouldn't attack the left the way Alcove2 described (I would use Marchemedes way, i.e. mantlet).
Anyhoo - we've digressed from the thread. I'll leave it there.