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Forum: empire-en
Board: [816] News from the world of Empire
Topic: [343383] Event Teaser: Attack of the shapeshifter
[4866155] SteelSlayer (US1) [US1] :: Nov. 15, 2017, 10:48 p.m.
Herveus (AU1) said:
Stumpyalaskan (US1) said:
@Herveus (AU1)

Anyone hitting me will be committing suicide for their troops (at least they will get their troops back) and losing all the tools they send. I will put 10k+ KG D in my near op and move it in every time someone sends an attack. Since I lose no troops or tools I can do it every time. I guess I will get a chance to try out some new defensive sets at the attackers expense since they still will not win the courtyard even if they win the wall.
Well then I will attack in the night tool all flanks  and center and use a 120%+ cry comm wipe quite a bit and geat a lot of points , thanks :)

120% cry comm? Maybe on one of your more built servers, but I doubt your level 41 account here has one of em.
[4866237] Herveus (AU1) [AU1] :: Nov. 16, 2017, 8:48 a.m.
SteelSlayer (US1) said:
Herveus (AU1) said:
Stumpyalaskan (US1) said:
@Herveus (AU1)

Anyone hitting me will be committing suicide for their troops (at least they will get their troops back) and losing all the tools they send. I will put 10k+ KG D in my near op and move it in every time someone sends an attack. Since I lose no troops or tools I can do it every time. I guess I will get a chance to try out some new defensive sets at the attackers expense since they still will not win the courtyard even if they win the wall.
Well then I will attack in the night tool all flanks  and center and use a 120%+ cry comm wipe quite a bit and geat a lot of points , thanks :)

120% cry comm? Maybe on one of your more built servers, but I doubt your level 41 account here has one of em.
I doubt my level 41 acc get's matched with  him lol
[4866422] GreatLord (NL1) [None] :: Nov. 16, 2017, 4:57 p.m.
I hope that it will be changed to real PVP and not PVC.......
it gets boring if the event is the same as FL and BC. maybe ad this to FL and BC as mechanic;-)
[4866534] Herveus (AU1) [AU1] :: Nov. 16, 2017, 7:16 p.m.
GreatLord (NL1) said:
I hope that it will be changed to real PVP and not PVC.......
it gets boring if the event is the same as FL and BC. maybe ad this to FL and BC as mechanic;-)
Now go back to the start and read it again, it is not like FL/BC
[4866727] deathfire (NL1) [None] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 8:15 a.m.
Maybe fix the allaince tournament instead of introducing a new event that isnt a pvp event. Gge is getting on my nerves!! Dont no what the drive is to be an BM if GGE isnt even listening to you!
[4866729] GreatLord (NL1) [None] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 8:21 a.m.
Its konda the same as BC and FL
[4866734] GreatLord (NL1) [None] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 8:25 a.m.
Exactly!!!
[4866784] clbmine (GB1) [None] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 9:47 a.m.
Can you opt out of the event, like you have the option to go into Beri or Storm? 
[4866830] Herveus (AU1) [AU1] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 12:04 p.m.
clbmine (GB1) said:
Can you opt out of the event, like you have the option to go into Beri or Storm? 
No.
[4866841] lakesidebonnie (US1) [US1] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 12:28 p.m.
will let it play out as always   thanks for all the ideas  
[4866942] ang1243 (GB1) [GB1] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 3:57 p.m.
Hey everyone,

Just to summarise a few things with the Shapeshifter event:

I'd also like to highlight that this event isn't designed to replace anything, it's a brand new event, and we hope it will go down well, and encourage PvP and help people to learn how to defend against properly tooled attacks in PvP but in a sort of 'sandbox' mode.

Angus
[4867005] flug (NL1) [NL1] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 5:21 p.m.

so, max 5 attacks each day?     or just 1 attack from one of them?
[4867014] Herveus (AU1) [AU1] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 5:31 p.m.
flug (NL1) said:
  • These 5 castles can attack you once each day as well

so, max 5 attacks each day?     or just 1 attack from one of them?
Max 5.
[4867017] David Noble (US1) [None] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 5:34 p.m.
flug (NL1) said:
  • These 5 castles can attack you once each day as well

so, max 5 attacks each day?     or just 1 attack from one of them?
I do not know the answer to that question because I am not a mod and I do not work for Goodgame Studios, but it is nevertheless a good question. They may attack only once a day from one of the castles. However, since players can not help defend each other during this event from this type of attack and no soldiers, tools, or resources will be lost in addition to no buildings being burned I do not think that we would need to worry about this even if we were going to be attacked up to five times a day during this event instead of only once a day that will last for only a few days anyway. My best guess is that you may appear to lose troops and tools in the defensive battle reports, but not actually lose them. Same is also true for appearing to lose attackers in the offensive battle reports in "normal mode", but not actually lose them.
[4867040] Peter John (US1) [US1] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 6:09 p.m.
@BM ang1243

Despite multiple objection, with lengthy argument on why, on masking of the troops actual strength, GGS still going to push this through our asses?

For crying out out, if you want to mask the appearance of the troops, just superimpose it with something. Masking the actual strength literally taking out the math out the battle.

[4867046] Herveus (AU1) [AU1] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 6:19 p.m.
Peter John (US1) said:
@BM ang1243

Despite multiple objection, with lengthy argument on why, on masking of the troops actual strength, GGS still going to push this through our asses?

For crying out out, if you want to mask the appearance of the troops, just superimpose it with something. Masking the actual strength literally taking out the math out the battle.

You can see the average troop strength still and how many there are so no , it makes the math easier (assuming what I have been told and read in the de forum.ia correct)
[4867105] sir-haba (SKN1) [SKN1] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 8:26 p.m.
BM ang1243 said:
Hey everyone,

Just to summarise a few things with the Shapeshifter event:

  • It is a PvP event, in the sense that you are attacking other live players, who can change their defense setup, likewise the attacker could retreat their attack like with normal PvP
  • There will be 5 Castles which you can attack once each day
  • These 5 castles can attack you once each day as well
  • As a defender you will NOT: lose troops, tools, or resources, nor will your castle be set on fire if you lose
  • As an attacker you will not lose troops in normal mode
  • As an attacker you will lose tools in all battles, however with the new mechanic you won't lose tools which aren't used of course. (I believe)
  • You can activate 'Hard mode' which makes various changes to gameplay, however the first one to mention is that troops are lost in an attack when it is active.
  • Target castles will be at a distance of 150 to provide enough time for the defender to set their defenses up sufficiently.
  • You do not loot resources, gain glory points, or honor points as an attacker or defender
  • When attacking, you can gain the new event currency from the battle
  • The event itself will last for a few days (similar to the current invasion events)
I'd also like to highlight that this event isn't designed to replace anything, it's a brand new event, and we hope it will go down well, and encourage PvP and help people to learn how to defend against properly tooled attacks in PvP but in a sort of 'sandbox' mode.

Angus
Is this new event running same time as nomad, samurai, fi or blodcrow, or is it the only event what is running then? it's bit boring if you only can make 5 attacks and 5 defends in day and then only attack to towers.
[4867117] Peter John (US1) [US1] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 8:56 p.m.
Herveus (AU1) said:
Peter John (US1) said:
@BM ang1243

Despite multiple objection, with lengthy argument on why, on masking of the troops actual strength, GGS still going to push this through our asses?

For crying out out, if you want to mask the appearance of the troops, just superimpose it with something. Masking the actual strength literally taking out the math out the battle.

You can see the average troop strength still and how many there are so no , it makes the math easier (assuming what I have been told and read in the de forum.ia correct)
Nope, the average troop strength will ONLY works for incoming. I have responded earlier in this thread that when we are attacking (if we are attacking with mixed M&R), it's not the same.

To properly plan the attack (well assuming the def. is not changing or get supported) the actual troops strength of different type matters. This because the calculation of effective defensive power DEPENDS on the attack M/R power ratio AND the defensive M&R power of each troops type.
[4867171] Batten (GB1) [GB1] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 11:28 p.m.
The insistence that Shapeshifters is a PVP event when it very clearly isn't is astonishing.  An attack by one player on another player on the same server is a player versus a player.  An attack by multiple players on one alliance on multiple players from another alliance for multiple waves of attacks is a conflict which if one side declares becomes a war.  A computer generated attack which a player doesn't directly control isn't PVP as there is significant computer involvement in setting the attacks or mitigating them.  I'm a purist I would consider an attack to have be defended by the player attacked for it to be true PVP.  A computer generated or mediated attack isn't PVP and by all means come up with a new term to describe it as it is one step removed from FI or BC or a raging Khan but it isn't something players control there are too many limitations involved.  To try and convince us otherwise is insulting.  Putting out an explanation after a lot of players have already dismissed as a meaningful development is too little too late if you had a decent explanation that gave a clear consistent and vaguely understandable sense of what was involved then you should have started with that.  It's just more derivative content with pretty pictures which will be as easily ignored as other past failed developments.  
[4867176] Turtle24 (US1) [US1] :: Nov. 17, 2017, 11:52 p.m.
Batten (GB1) said:
The insistence that Shapeshifters is a PVP event when it very clearly isn't is astonishing.  An attack by one player on another player on the same server is a player versus a player.  An attack by multiple players on one alliance on multiple players from another alliance for multiple waves of attacks is a conflict which if one side declares becomes a war.  A computer generated attack which a player doesn't directly control isn't PVP as there is significant computer involvement in setting the attacks or mitigating them.  I'm a purist I would consider an attack to have be defended by the player attacked for it to be true PVP.  A computer generated or mediated attack isn't PVP and by all means come up with a new term to describe it as it is one step removed from FI or BC or a raging Khan but it isn't something players control there are too many limitations involved.  To try and convince us otherwise is insulting.  Putting out an explanation after a lot of players have already dismissed as a meaningful development is too little too late if you had a decent explanation that gave a clear consistent and vaguely understandable sense of what was involved then you should have started with that.  It's just more derivative content with pretty pictures which will be as easily ignored as other past failed developments.  

You just don't get it do you? The attack is directly controlled by a player.