Not really the type of place for this mate , one metro on its own is useless really anyway , and for all we know caps might get an upgrade in the future ,aga110 (GB1) said:UltraFlavoured (GB1) said:
If you have a problem say it to me.
Why did you organise yourself a "trade, not tell anyone in DMH about it, then going AWOL when shit hit the fan? How did you expect this to go? Your selfish behaviour has had no ill effect on yourself, only on members of DMH, for that I hope you really are pleased with yourself.
and for any players in dmh not able to reach the title to recruit kgs it helps alot
Firstly, Brian did know. I mentioned both sides of the fence. The trade and not to trade.aga110 (GB1) said:UltraFlavoured (GB1) said:
If you have a problem say it to me.
Why did you organise yourself a "trade, not tell anyone in DMH about it, then going AWOL when shit hit the fan? How did you expect this to go? Your selfish behaviour has had no ill effect on yourself, only on members of DMH, for that I hope you really are pleased with yourself.
Why did DMH assume I would hand over my Metro? Without actually me confirming it.
Like now your talking like it was DMHs but it wasnt.
DMH had 0 ASSETS ... I was given them one - Most likely would of come with other perks too.
As it stands DMH get nothing..
Its a learning curve.. speak to the player with the asset before agreeing to firstly making it your own and keeping a player under house arrest.. Secondly assuming I would pass it to another DMH player because i am told to.
Thats why I left.
I had Invites to go anywhere but unfortunately it was the same scenario.
I hope that clears up my thoughts.. And if you class a object over a person - Well.. Thats just small minded.
I am sorry I have to be abrupt
~Ultra
Congrats Ultra, you now join the ranks as one of the most scheming and manipulate players on uk1 so I hope you are proud, you put fire cast on so we couldn't defend caps and our defense would be wiped. You didn't offer to give it to a dmh player and you basically sold out to cg for your personal benefit without doing right by your alliance, the metro was not yours and after war people made that clear to you yet you claim that you did not agree when the below screenshot will confirm that you agreed.UltraFlavoured (GB1) said:@aga110 (GB1)aga110 (GB1) said:So, CG and Ultraflavoured plotted on their own to give the metro to CG, nobody in DMH knew anything about this. We get declared on at 2:30am and proceeded to get constantly attacked, without us being able to do anything having been just a few days after a 6vs1 war.
I like to think that I look at things with an open mind, without any bias, but given the facts, there's no way DMH have done anything wrong here. It's just a case of CG either being stupid and thinking a trade would be perfectly fine without talking to the management of the other alliance or CG being warmongering and knowing full well hat would happen.
Having spent, and enjoyed 9 months in Revolution X, listening to them say how terrible BSK were and that CG are the good guys. But after last night it's pretty clear CG are doing everything they can to become BSK 2.0...
This is incorrect.
As mentioned I was not involved in any talks in which I agreed I would stay with the Metro I hold.
Players decided for what ever reason to decide that themselves.
I could of gone to many alliances - but at some point that 'Metro' was going to be declared upon. I decided to go to DMH how had No capital No metro and see what I could do with a personal situation I had.
Knowing all this information brought about talks , and basically a compromise - In which DMH benefited.
Along with a personal favour for myself. Which I earned.
Please remember ... I could of gone directly to CG
Now heres where things start to turn.. DMH assume its there metro - But Ultra did not agree in the first place and I am told I will be handing i over - Well that was final straw.
YOUR ALL BEHAVING LIKE KIDS I have players want to get rid off players from a server just because the are in power too.
I have players Arguing over an Metro and burning each other.
I have always held my word and player who know me know that. So call me what ever you want.
This for me was bigger than an object in the game - It was more about keeping current players and growing others.
If you have a problem say it to me.
~Ultra
You sent that to suley after war ended and the deal for dmh to keep metro was been arranged so no you don't keep your word.
That's a screenshot of Iberian knight agreeing with Suley that metro would be DMH property regardless if ultra tried any funny business, now 2 days later he/cg goes back on his word and cg goes back on the peace agreement from the 6v1 war.
I'm pretty transparent so will set any facts straight but these scheming players know who they are and if you stand by their actions knowing full well what they did then don't expect any sympathy when you get stung as history repeats itself as time has shown.
Ultra, you told brian as if he had no say in the matter, he did not agree. You could have given it to a dmh player as suggested and you were not "under house arrest" so do not play the victim card.
mw
And its a little out of context. As there a load of messages of me saying things about my personal life and stalling.
I had to agree to something.. but it certainly wasnt being under house arrest.
You need full disclosure on anything to make the correct call.
Plus - it was -- Go to CG Which I first refused.
Go to Gondor and players will talk about what happens with the Metro but I would be clear.
Go to AO and take the metro and see what happens.
I am sure they can confirm something of that sort I cant remember the exact conversation.
DMH was the sound option..
Until further talks too place.... with me actually in them.
Which bought clear to me that CG would want their Original Metro. So work out a deal which suits myself and also DMH.
I informed Brian on these plans - which I have screenshots of.
And basically telling me I have to give something over just made me jump.
and as we can all see what I forecasted happened - So I was right in doing what I was doing . Except maybe I should of sent a mass. That I am fully accountable for. But Other players in DMH knew about this.
~Ultra
Its ok aga CG have said they will dish out towers metro's and cops because no one alliance should have them all.aga110 (GB1) said:hornby19 (GB1) said:aga i knew you for those 9 months in rev x and know that you're not unreasonable so will take my time to explain.
Ultra approached us offering to swap his metro for big al's cap, naturally we agreed. We were under the impression that ultra had told dmh about it and we were all told an organised trade was taking place. As ultra has said, he capped big al cap first so we sent a cap on his metro which was defended. Naturally we jumped to the conclusion that dmh had tried to trick us and as you know it escalated.
Is there anything i can do to further explain?
I understand that it was happened. But the sheer fact that people from CG didn't think to talk to the management from DMH before agreeing to anything is extremely fishy...And given that Ultra is now part of CG, it's crystal clear what happened here. Ultra acted on his own, to broker himself a place in CG and CG saw this as an opportunity to get themselves into another 1 sided war. How can you apply any blame to DMH?
so you should get something soon.
Which was only sent this morning I believe it ended with 'no hard feelings'
Hence how did i know what I was agreeing too?
So no hard feelings mate
Also you really think I didn't have the pick from any alliance I wanted to join ? As big headed as it sounds its just a statement of fact. Mainly due to being honest open and straight to the point. So let the slander come.
Thats just delusional and to make it personal by showing screenshots that are out of context to win votes on something that was going to happen anyway.. and did.. Dispite what ever agreement you thought you had.
~Ultra
PS the screenshot of my agreeing was real. just massively out of context.
You didn't even respond to the proof of you agreeing that metro would stay in DMH so that says it all. What I displayed was facts and transparency, don't worry I don't expect you to know what that means as it's clear that you have no morals or self respect in keeping your word and sticking by it, now you are going to try and twist words and claim innocence which is not going to work on any person with a few chromosomes.UltraFlavoured (GB1) said:I also have screenshots..
And its a little out of context. As there a load of messages of me saying things about my personal life and stalling.
I had to agree to something.. but it certainly wasnt being under house arrest.
You need full disclosure on anything to make the correct call.
Plus - it was -- Go to CG Which I first refused.
Go to Gondor and players will talk about what happens with the Metro but I would be clear.
Go to AO and take the metro and see what happens.
I am sure they can confirm something of that sort I cant remember the exact conversation.
DMH was the sound option..
Until further talks too place.... with me actually in them.
Which bought clear to me that CG would want their Original Metro. So work out a deal which suits myself and also DMH.
I informed Brian on these plans - which I have screenshots of.
And basically telling me I have to give something over just made me jump.
and as we can all see what I forecasted happened - So I was right in doing what I was doing . Except maybe I should of sent a mass. That I am fully accountable for. But Other players in DMH knew about this.
~Ultra
At this point Ultra you have nothing more to argue so save your breath, you've already tried to pull the wool over peoples eyes several times now and it hasn't worked so stop trying and face the music. There is no coincidences or simply "forgetting to mass mail" so get up the yard.
My message to you was sent before war broke out as we wanted a dmh player to take metro and you could be on your way but coincidentally you went offline for all of yesterday evening and last night. Here its is -
We have nothing to hide and there is no slander, only facts.
mw
Ever heard of that old saying "Don't throw stones from a glass house"? You might want do some more research.Toe the tyrant (GB1) said:cantbe asked to read all that gobshyte you're all writing.
but what i can say.. man what a SH1T TEAM
no fighting back.. nothing.. just lay back and let us fck you pmsl ..
all bout mindset - you willl NEVER be a top team
sorry MW but what was your point there? you saying cg are shit? because from what i remember we are one of the best if not the best in game...millwall97 (GB1) said:Ever heard of that old saying "Don't throw stones from a glass house"? You might want do some more research.Toe the tyrant (GB1) said:cantbe asked to read all that gobshyte you're all writing.
but what i can say.. man what a SH1T TEAM
no fighting back.. nothing.. just lay back and let us fck you pmsl ..
all bout mindset - you willl NEVER be a top team
It does not say , I know everything about the terms you was making so I agree for the metro to stay in DMH on those terms.
Youve made it clear.. I wasnt fully aware by stating 'We will show you proof of the agreement' Thats states I didn't really have a full idea . Which is exactly fact ,so thanks for posting that screenshot.
So for anyone not following.
Ultra Agreed the Metro would stay (without knowing the true terms) as displayed.
As mentioned before - Gondor -CG and a few others offered a safe haven .. with terms.
At least its a little more in context now Although still favors the creator as why would I even bother to store screenshots,
millwall97 (GB1) said:
At this point Ultra you have nothing more to argue so save your breath, you've already tried to pull the wool over peoples eyes several times now and it hasn't worked so stop trying and face the music. There is no coincidences or simply "forgetting to mass mail" so get up the yard.
That was simply pointing out I didn't mass to correct @Toe the tyrant (GB1) posts that states a mass was sent.
And accepting it maybe would of been easier that way. BUT! It was agreed and that screenshot shows that you didnt agree.
Maybe better communication....
But I do have a message in my inbox of an agreement of what I messaged
Which in theory makes my agreeing (without the true facts) void anyway
So your are correct there is nothing more to argue over. Ultra Loses out , DMH loses out.
If only someone would of said what was going to happen... Oh wait..
~Ultra
I was speaking to Hak but obviously you don't get that, it's not an insult or anything similar to what you said, just would like to remind you of the mechanics at play, shouldn't need to spell it out to you but maybe your management might know what I am referring to.hornby19 (GB1) said:sorry MW but what was your point there? you saying cg are shit? because from what i remember we are one of the best if not the best in game...
Anyways getting off forum now as obviously being too transparent.
mw
erm no you weren't talking to hak you were talking to toe, there is a difference. i shouldnt need to spell it out but toe and hak ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLEmillwall97 (GB1) said:I was speaking to Hak but obviously you don't get that, it's not an insult or anything similar to what you said, just would like to remind you of the mechanics at play, shouldn't need to spell it out to you but maybe your management might know what I am referring to.hornby19 (GB1) said:sorry MW but what was your point there? you saying cg are shit? because from what i remember we are one of the best if not the best in game...
Anyways getting off forum now as obviously being too transparent.
mw
When you just want to express your anger but you can't lolROMAN RULES (GB1) said:Removed Post - Offensive
Good evening all,
My what an emotive and at times offensive thread. can we please just remember that these are real people behind the players names on here. Politeness and a sense of realism should always be a basis for interaction.
I would just like to say that a chain of events that we don't need to go into detail in now as it is to a certain degree irrelevant culminated in an agreement that the metro would along with Ultra remain in DMH as part of spreading some assets around various alliances. This was sincerely meant and I have to say against the wishes of some players in CG and elsewhere (honesty here is best I feel), many wanted that metro to sit in CG and level the number of assets held by what are currently the best teams (objectively on all the available in game stats). The plan prior to the demise of BSK 75 was never for that metro to sit in DMH.
It did go there though with Ultra and it was agreed to leave it there. At the closing stages of the war CG also gained a Cap in green from 75, this was our 2nd Cap in green and so to all intents was superfluous to requirements apart from looking pretty and being yet another CoP to be displayed as a "prize".
Sometime soon after the war ended it became clear that Ultra was interested as were CG in a potential swap of assets. This was with the best of intentions that DMH would therefore have a Cap in green that they didn't have and CG could have the 2nd metro that they wanted before the war. yes a metro gives 250 food an hour bonus in green whereas a green Cap if you don't have one gives the opportunity of recruiting kg's for those not having the requisite glory rank and also provides the holder with an extra barracks for more troops to be recruited, good for events which DMH have become known as being strong in.
It was thought that the swop looked like good business all round as everyone wins. The element of DMH being involved in the recent war over BSK is because they took in refugees from that war that were sought by the allies and the consequencies of taking them in were explored fully before it happened so that cannot have been much of a surpise that these refugees went there with 75 assets. Those are all as Rafa used to say "facts". It was with great regret that DMH decided to throw their hat into the ring of war as the "Gollom Syndome" of "precious" assets was no doubt causing the eyes to light up. They are not alone by any means in having this syndrome, a lot of alliances have it including my alliance, the difference being that we've fought several hard wars to be in a position to hold some of these "precious" assets and were looking on as they were attempted to be scattered by players leaving 75, make no mistake, they were 75 assets.
Ok, there is the background, a deal was done though and until this proposed swop became available the deal would have been honoured, albeit reluctantly by some. Yes you are right Millwall, a man's word and all that. I cannot say how long that deal would have lasted, maybe months but you and I know that at some stage "Gollom Syndrome" would win the day and DMH unless they became stronger would have had some alliance take it off them, and yes that would probably have been CG. Swapping the "precious" for another being a Cap that CG would have no use for would future proof that ownership and drastically reduce the likelihood of "Gollom" being reunited with his "precious". A good deal again we thought? Also as there seemed to be an air of sensible thought processes even Toe was talking about giving DMH a no war agreement of some considerable length, all seemed to be well.
Ultra confirmed that he had fully informed the DMH leader of the negotiations which culminated last night in him launching a capture attack on the CG Cap, half an hour later Big Al launched his capture attack on the metro. I went to bed thinking that all was well and that sensible decisions had been made to log on about 9am this morning to be confronted by mayhem, war with DMH, Ultra had had enough of being used as purely an asset rather than a good player in his own right with an asset. A good player with a good reputation, honourable and purely through the timing of his recent joining of 75 had found himself in a situation not of his making which was why the allied alliances were happy to see him there safe and not interested in pursuing him as a player.
Now, having had a good and productive chat with Yuupi this evening it would seem that the actions of DMH in defending the metro and starting the chain of war events were down to extremely poor communication. yes, you might argue that there should have been some communication between leaderships of DMH and CG but this ostensibly was a swop of assets between players in different alliances, to that end we fully discussed it in CG and were happy to proceed, Ultra assured us that the DMH leader was fully in possession of the proposal and swap and it went ahead.
Not really for me to say as it is not my alliance but do you lot not talk to each other at all? I know some whose allegiance lies elsewhere will see CG as the bad guys in this chain of events and we are party to it so some mud will stick but come on now, we are not responsible for the internal lack of communication in DMH and also what appears to an onlooker as a series of bad decisions made. I have along with Yuupi negotiated a 2 week pact this evening so that the dust can settle, we can all get back to some gaming without drama's and DMH can repair and grow and be that independent alliance that can give players an alternative. You've had a relatively short existence and come a long way, we wish you the best of luck on your growth. Please do not take this chain of events out on Ultra who has tried to do the best for everyone in this equation and does not deserve some of this vitriol being directed his way, he is a nice guy who is getting to the end of his tether in this game and lets face it has been used as a bargaining chip by all of us involved without recourse to his feelings in proceedings, yes he is purely the holder of an asset but he also is a person....
Take care
IK
millwall97 (GB1) said:You didn't even respond to the proof of you agreeing that metro would stay in DMH so that says it all. What I displayed was facts and transparency, don't worry I don't expect you to know what that means as it's clear that you have no morals or self respect in keeping your word and sticking by it, now you are going to try and twist words and claim innocence which is not going to work on any person with a few chromosomes.UltraFlavoured (GB1) said:I also have screenshots..
And its a little out of context. As there a load of messages of me saying things about my personal life and stalling.
I had to agree to something.. but it certainly wasnt being under house arrest.
You need full disclosure on anything to make the correct call.
Plus - it was -- Go to CG Which I first refused.
Go to Gondor and players will talk about what happens with the Metro but I would be clear.
Go to AO and take the metro and see what happens.
I am sure they can confirm something of that sort I cant remember the exact conversation.
DMH was the sound option..
Until further talks too place.... with me actually in them.
Which bought clear to me that CG would want their Original Metro. So work out a deal which suits myself and also DMH.
I informed Brian on these plans - which I have screenshots of.
And basically telling me I have to give something over just made me jump.
and as we can all see what I forecasted happened - So I was right in doing what I was doing . Except maybe I should of sent a mass. That I am fully accountable for. But Other players in DMH knew about this.
~Ultra
At this point Ultra you have nothing more to argue so save your breath, you've already tried to pull the wool over peoples eyes several times now and it hasn't worked so stop trying and face the music. There is no coincidences or simply "forgetting to mass mail" so get up the yard.
My message to you was sent before war broke out as we wanted a dmh player to take metro and you could be on your way but coincidentally you went offline for all of yesterday evening and last night. Here its is -
We have nothing to hide and there is no slander, only facts.
mw
Says in one of ur screenshots that dmh will fight for it at any costs...hmmmm LOL
Canucks (GB1) said:millwall97 (GB1) said:You didn't even respond to the proof of you agreeing that metro would stay in DMH so that says it all. What I displayed was facts and transparency, don't worry I don't expect you to know what that means as it's clear that you have no morals or self respect in keeping your word and sticking by it, now you are going to try and twist words and claim innocence which is not going to work on any person with a few chromosomes.UltraFlavoured (GB1) said:I also have screenshots..
And its a little out of context. As there a load of messages of me saying things about my personal life and stalling.
I had to agree to something.. but it certainly wasnt being under house arrest.
You need full disclosure on anything to make the correct call.
Plus - it was -- Go to CG Which I first refused.
Go to Gondor and players will talk about what happens with the Metro but I would be clear.
Go to AO and take the metro and see what happens.
I am sure they can confirm something of that sort I cant remember the exact conversation.
DMH was the sound option..
Until further talks too place.... with me actually in them.
Which bought clear to me that CG would want their Original Metro. So work out a deal which suits myself and also DMH.
I informed Brian on these plans - which I have screenshots of.
And basically telling me I have to give something over just made me jump.
and as we can all see what I forecasted happened - So I was right in doing what I was doing . Except maybe I should of sent a mass. That I am fully accountable for. But Other players in DMH knew about this.
~Ultra
At this point Ultra you have nothing more to argue so save your breath, you've already tried to pull the wool over peoples eyes several times now and it hasn't worked so stop trying and face the music. There is no coincidences or simply "forgetting to mass mail" so get up the yard.
My message to you was sent before war broke out as we wanted a dmh player to take metro and you could be on your way but coincidentally you went offline for all of yesterday evening and last night. Here its is -
We have nothing to hide and there is no slander, only facts.
mw
Says in one of ur screenshots that dmh will fight for it at any costs...hmmmm LOL
You urged us to kick Littleliam for being a scheming player etc and now it turns out that you are twice as bad and all this confirms it. I messaged you when this broke out and no reply at all, yet another coincidence I suppose. I respected you as a player and respected a lot of players in cg before this all happened but this has shown the true colours and your politically correct speech to justify your actions is not going to wash with me, you've made this personal now in not keeping your word and trying to manipulate people into thinking that internally DMH were at fault for lack of communication.Iberian Knight (GB1) said:Good evening all,
My what an emotive and at times offensive thread. can we please just remember that these are real people behind the players names on here. Politeness and a sense of realism should always be a basis for interaction.
I would just like to say that a chain of events that we don't need to go into detail in now as it is to a certain degree irrelevant culminated in an agreement that the metro would along with Ultra remain in DMH as part of spreading some assets around various alliances. This was sincerely meant and I have to say against the wishes of some players in CG and elsewhere (honesty here is best I feel), many wanted that metro to sit in CG and level the number of assets held by what are currently the best teams (objectively on all the available in game stats). The plan prior to the demise of BSK 75 was never for that metro to sit in DMH.
It did go there though with Ultra and it was agreed to leave it there. At the closing stages of the war CG also gained a Cap in green from 75, this was our 2nd Cap in green and so to all intents was superfluous to requirements apart from looking pretty and being yet another CoP to be displayed as a "prize".
Sometime soon after the war ended it became clear that Ultra was interested as were CG in a potential swap of assets. This was with the best of intentions that DMH would therefore have a Cap in green that they didn't have and CG could have the 2nd metro that they wanted before the war. yes a metro gives 250 food an hour bonus in green whereas a green Cap if you don't have one gives the opportunity of recruiting kg's for those not having the requisite glory rank and also provides the holder with an extra barracks for more troops to be recruited, good for events which DMH have become known as being strong in.
It was thought that the swop looked like good business all round as everyone wins. The element of DMH being involved in the recent war over BSK is because they took in refugees from that war that were sought by the allies and the consequencies of taking them in were explored fully before it happened so that cannot have been much of a surpise that these refugees went there with 75 assets. Those are all as Rafa used to say "facts". It was with great regret that DMH decided to throw their hat into the ring of war as the "Gollom Syndome" of "precious" assets was no doubt causing the eyes to light up. They are not alone by any means in having this syndrome, a lot of alliances have it including my alliance, the difference being that we've fought several hard wars to be in a position to hold some of these "precious" assets and were looking on as they were attempted to be scattered by players leaving 75, make no mistake, they were 75 assets.
Ok, there is the background, a deal was done though and until this proposed swop became available the deal would have been honoured, albeit reluctantly by some. Yes you are right Millwall, a man's word and all that. I cannot say how long that deal would have lasted, maybe months but you and I know that at some stage "Gollom Syndrome" would win the day and DMH unless they became stronger would have had some alliance take it off them, and yes that would probably have been CG. Swapping the "precious" for another being a Cap that CG would have no use for would future proof that ownership and drastically reduce the likelihood of "Gollom" being reunited with his "precious". A good deal again we thought? Also as there seemed to be an air of sensible thought processes even Toe was talking about giving DMH a no war agreement of some considerable length, all seemed to be well.
Ultra confirmed that he had fully informed the DMH leader of the negotiations which culminated last night in him launching a capture attack on the CG Cap, half an hour later Big Al launched his capture attack on the metro. I went to bed thinking that all was well and that sensible decisions had been made to log on about 9am this morning to be confronted by mayhem, war with DMH, Ultra had had enough of being used as purely an asset rather than a good player in his own right with an asset. A good player with a good reputation, honourable and purely through the timing of his recent joining of 75 had found himself in a situation not of his making which was why the allied alliances were happy to see him there safe and not interested in pursuing him as a player.
Now, having had a good and productive chat with Yuupi this evening it would seem that the actions of DMH in defending the metro and starting the chain of war events were down to extremely poor communication. yes, you might argue that there should have been some communication between leaderships of DMH and CG but this ostensibly was a swop of assets between players in different alliances, to that end we fully discussed it in CG and were happy to proceed, Ultra assured us that the DMH leader was fully in possession of the proposal and swap and it went ahead.
Not really for me to say as it is not my alliance but do you lot not talk to each other at all? I know some whose allegiance lies elsewhere will see CG as the bad guys in this chain of events and we are party to it so some mud will stick but come on now, we are not responsible for the internal lack of communication in DMH and also what appears to an onlooker as a series of bad decisions made. I have along with Yuupi negotiated a 2 week pact this evening so that the dust can settle, we can all get back to some gaming without drama's and DMH can repair and grow and be that independent alliance that can give players an alternative. You've had a relatively short existence and come a long way, we wish you the best of luck on your growth. Please do not take this chain of events out on Ultra who has tried to do the best for everyone in this equation and does not deserve some of this vitriol being directed his way, he is a nice guy who is getting to the end of his tether in this game and lets face it has been used as a bargaining chip by all of us involved without recourse to his feelings in proceedings, yes he is purely the holder of an asset but he also is a person....
Take care
IK
I'm part of DMH mangement and my little communication on here alone has been very clear with the evidence to back anything I say up as I have always kept my word on any agreements and expect the same from other players yet you ramble on about lack of communication in DMH as if you can pull the wool over peoples eyes, doesn't work on people with a few brain cells. This may be over for now but I do not forget and the players in CG who have witnessed this past weeks events will know what happened and the deceitfulness at play in CG.
I distinctly remember you saying to me just before last wars "agreement" that Littleliam wanted all the assets etc and went to the lengths of scheming etc to get them and left the server out of balance etc etc etc. Well now you have them all in reach and now the server is of course in balance.... not much more to do now other than turn your back to your current pacts again, better let the dust settle before you do that though. It's clear that you have no self respect but I do and I take it personally when people lie and try to manipulate players and alliances. You know where I am...
mw
Hi Millwall,
No one has lied to you and there was no scheming, things were happening quickly and "ad hoc" towards the end of the war, I also respect and know some of the players there, they can vouch for me as a player and also a man of my word. I don't really want this to become a personal argument between you and I as what would the purpose of that be? I mean every single word I say, it may as you say be "politically correct" as I personally believe that being polite and reasonable is the correct way ahead whether in life or in this game. The chain of events I have outlined above is correct and chronological and I have already stated that it could possibly have been avoided by communication between our management and yours and I have also said that if things were not right within DMH for whatever reason about the swop of assets then why was this not made clear to CG before the swop captures were launched?
DMH launched their capture first and our green Cap was vacated leaving just farmers for an easy and painless capture, I know that Ultra did the same with the metro for when Al launched his capture subsequently. Why is it that the first we know of any potential problem is when the CG capture gets defended in numbers by DMH?
You tell me where the fault lies there and why it is that the course of events described there means that CG are being manipulative? Where in that process of conducting a fair swop are we trying to have one over DMH or "pull the wool over there eyes?"
Why is it that your own leader who was in possession of the proposed swop in advance of anything coming to fruition has not communicated with you and DMH as a whole? Or even voiced his displeasure if he wasn't happy with the swop? These are all internal politics and nothing to do with me at all and only impact on others when our name is dragged through the mud for not keeping our word? How have we not kept to our word? because Ultra decided to move to us and bring the metro with him after it all kicked off there and he'd had enough of being used as a pawn? Is that our fault also? He has said that he had received an offer to come to CG prior to deciding to go to DMH, I believe him as he has no reason to lie, he decided to go to DMH because he thought that at that moment it was the correct thing to do. He has subsequently moved because he thought that it was the correct thing to do, his decision, we have not coerced him and were happy to conclude that fair swop of assets that you as an alliance knew about and voiced no dissent to CG about.
I repeat, in what part of that process have I or CG not kept our word? I personally am sorry and regret that DMH do not have the green Cap that had been arranged, the only reason that it doesn't sit with DMH now is because DMH defended the arranged capture as part of the swop. I would personally heal those rifts and let you have it still but it would appear that with many here you have burnt your bridges by appearing to go back on that deal and decide to defend the metro capture and as such the general feeling is that you as an alliance cannot be trusted. I hope that in the fullness of time we can repair those bridges and get back to a friendly rivalry rather than be levelling accusations at each other. I have no idea what chat's or processes happened in DMH during this process of events and that is for you and the rest of your leadership to sort out internally, having had a long chat with Yuupi she concedes that communication within DMH needs addressing. I did not enjoy waking up yesterday morning and seeing the capture defended and our 2 alliances at war again, in fact I thought "bloody hell, not again,what has happened now".
I agreed an immediate ceasefire with Yuupi and also peace to bounce any further hits and to ensure a period of stability which will stop any further attacks etc. I would also suggest that once the bad feeling has died down that we can discuss more fully the way forward and how we can repair the damage caused but please do not accuse me of not keeping my word or of CG of being manipulative, we acted in good faith throughout and will not take the blame for what appears to be bad communication and bad decision making. We have many faults which I am always ready to acknowledge and attempt to put right but I will not take the blame for the events of last night Millwall, look within mate before throwing those stones at me and CG.