As a explanation it is only correct that we outline the reasons for this amazing struggle for supremacy and then we can see the ebb and flow from the reports;
Itchytwit stated
" CG declared on DoW to pull your players back to your alliance".
So with our errant players returned to us I presume that our 29 members are considered a fair match for the 64 of CG.
Lets see those amazing battles
lol eh
corrie5 (GB1) said:
I like rusty spoonsbsheep (GB1) said:whats to 'lol' about @corrie5 (GB1) the fact that you been a ruin till half an hour ago, the fact that you hit from 9 clicks ?
lol eh
As Warrior is a member of CG I am copying his response to another thread here, as it seems more appropriate. It will serve as a better explanation to the rest of the server(s) as to the mindset of CG....and provide, I am sure, much amusement to one and all;
Apologies for it being abit long and rambling but, worth a laugh anyway;
Well let me just clarify your error buddy.
We (cs and cg) moved players between the two alliances yes? but unlike dow moving players with musks for their war (which i'll explain in a minute) it wouldn't of made a difference as you were at war with cs and cg therefore the movement of players between the two alliance you were at war with wouldn't of made a difference to the combined might of your opposition and therefore you faced the exact same might as you would if the cs player stayed in cs .... so it didn't change anything------ whereas dow player going to musks to fight against snh would've made a difference because at the time it was musks vs snh - (which notably musks declared on snh then the dow players moved to musks after) so you unbalanced things the way they were before. You made it so that musks was greater in might than snh (quite a lot greater actually).
so you altered musks might in the war between musks and snh but we didn't alter the might level in the wars you were fighting... So the point you were trying to make about us doing what you did isn't actually the same as what you did. You basically made it unfair by making musks stronger than snh by moving players from dow- but we kept the level playing field by moving players from the two alliance you were at war with meaning there was no overall change in advantage.
also the thing about might lemchi? For starters when we declare on dow after the war musks and snh ended they returned to dow- so you did the exact same thing- but lemchi was just visiting he didn't partake in the war whereas the players returning to dow did.... And by that point you weren't fighting back at all- it wasn't even a war anymore it was just farming. So we changed stance- we continued farming you and shall do until our request has been agreed to whilst also operating in pvp and events with other alliances- we are doing just fine how about your lot? So lemchi joined for a visit because at that point we already expressed that this war wasn't to prevent normal alliance operations and affiliations with other alliances- we are no longer in a war that can hold us back from anything and therefore it would be absurd to not continue as normal- in other words normal war rules no longer apply as there is no issue with dow from our perspective.
therefore normal rules apply here so visitors who are given clearance are welcome and pvp goes on as normal- as for your innocent cg declared on us for no reason point... CG declared because musks had declared snh- which would've been fine had after the declaration went up dow sent players into musks after. You cannot use the excuse that you were evening the numbers and balancing it because do not forget Musks declared on snh- if they declared and aren't balanced equally then why did they declare?? Who is the aggressor here? Have you no common sense? You sent men into an alliance who declared war on another. Whether or not it was even alliances shouldn't intervene unless deemed bullying or necessary-
You made a difference of about 700k might to a difference of just over 4 million might.. So we declared on dow as they were the alliance that sent the men in! And the reason we have kept the war going is because you refuse to accept responsibility for your actions and meet the agreement of not sending men between musks and dow during wars. Which is a reasonable request- now no alliance is perfect- and I know cg have done it before and I know it can be deemed hypocritical but that's what we are trying to put to an end. So if you agreed to do that im sure the management at cg would reasonably show the same courtesy and we could all get on with our gameplay abiding by the same rules but you denied this very reasonable request and are yet to come to an agreement over these simple terms... that is why the war has continued. And I admire you are standing your ground and lets put the masks down- I suspect its because you think because cg have wronged you in the past you are being targeted- now I am not denying that- but I haven't been here when that happened- I was in uk when they started a war but as far as im aware this situation we are in now and the request cg have put out is not at all unreasonable... As ive said ive only been here 2months ish but what ive seen so far isn't unreasonable-
I think its just a lack in trust and communication/relationship between our two alliances, cg and dow, (excluding cs) but I ask genuinely and out of plead- open your mind, try a different perspective and realise that this rule is only to help us all.
And yes we are all stubborn at times but I beg you to reconsider your actions and try and come to terms and agree and try and build a relationship out of this- maybe that's all too far ahead but please- try it... If there's a wrong I see I will always object it out but just because im cg and your dow doesn't mean im always against you... All you have to do is talk to cg and agree to stop sending players over during war between alliances- because lets be honest its not fair... forget the past look only to the future or you will be so buried in vengeance you'll forget what fun you had for the game.
Cheers,Ben Ex UK gen
So, before I respond it would help if you, or any other CG member help our dear readers out with a couple of answers.
1. Did SnH ask you to declare on DoW, or any other alliance?
2. If they did not, what did the war between other alliances have to do with CG? (In other words did it have any impact on the day to day operations of CG?
3. When were CG appointed as the "server police" and upholders of all things equitable and fair?
4. You refer to; "open your mind, try a different perspective and realise that this rule is only to help us all". Can you advise what rule this is, when and who created it and where I may find it in any "fair play rules"?
Much appreciated
"got any O's", "O's as in Mon Repos"
Yes DoW were at War with CG and CS, no it didnt make any difference to them moving players about, that is until they decided to use one of these shells to cap an OP, then it becomes a problem, If the CS player was still in CS and not CG then DoW could take the OP back, as he would get no support ( as they are just farm shells), but as this shell was in CG then they get the support from CG. And therein lies the problem. Using Shells to cap Active Players OPs
Right are we sitting comfortably? Then I shall begin.
We first of all need to get to the base problem before we can move on.
So Musks advise DoW that they will be warring soon, with a set time and date arranged. Approx 5 members of DoW (then 34 members strong decide they will go and join in the fun). We then find that the Musks WM has pressed the button a little too early, and prior to the agreed time. So out cheeky little band of 5 head over as soon as they come online.
At the time of declaration, as far as I am aware, the numbers of members of each alliance were roughly the same with SnH having slightly more. With the arrival of the DoW players this may have evened it up or made Musks a couple of members bigger. I am sure that I will be corrected by any Musks or SnH members, and please do correct me if I am wrong.
We have here a number of issues involving DoW, Musks & SnH. Funny, but no involvement of CG yet
Next we have a couple of members of Odins Fury joining the fun. Presumably to have some fun and join a nice little local war. Still at this point there would appear to be no problem and no involvement of CG (64 members, 48mill might points and No1 in server alliance rankings) or the actual bulk of DoW (29 members, 12mill might points & 21st in server rankings at the time) . So still an actual 1 v 1 alliance war.
However, for whatever reason, CG decided that they needed to get involved to fight for fair play on the server by declaring on DoW. When initially queried with Sir Win, the simple reply was with regard to players joining a war and the statement "it's not cool". As Itchy, one of your deputies has stated, and presumably was party to the decision, the wider explanation was to "pull players back to DoW".
No mails to myself, as acting leader, no attempts at diplomacy and no contact with any of those pesky 5 warmongers, just straight declaration.
So could it be that all wars have to be fought between alliances with the same numbers? This is clearly not the case and would mean that there would be no wars on the server, so that would seem to be a ridiculous supposition.
Could it be that wars must be fought between alliances with the same might points? Again that would seem to be a ridiculous supposition as how on earth are you going to make sure everything is exactly equal?
Next we come to the idea that by switching alliances post declaration has breach some rule. Now, we could have something here. It may not be cool, but it may well be true, in which case I must go away and check up on "the rules". Oh but wait, you mention that this is a rule that you and your alliance are trying to introduce. That would seem to suggest that it is something that is still under discussion by the various leaders and diplos. I would be very grateful if any of those said leaders or diplos from top 20 alliances could confirm or deny the situation with this new rule.
I can only assume from this situation that CG have been declared as the new saviours of fair play on the server. That you are monitoring the membership of all alliances and noting who is where at the outset of all wars, Bravo and praise be, we are all saved!
I can only assume, and I haven't heard anything to confirm this, that you are also at war with Odins Fury. As on your rationale, and that of your leader & Itchy, they too would have unbalanced the "even and fair war.
So now lets look at the supposed UK server fair play rules, or those that would appear to be important in this instance.
13. Wars should be kept to single alliance vs single alliance fights where possible. TICK
14. It is up to an alliance to decide how to respond to breaches of the codes of conduct. Diplomatic resolution will be the first course of action and further responses will be expected to be proportionate UNTICK .......
....but presumably if diplo route were not to be followed then CG will be warring Odins?
...Now apologies folks, I just wanted to post that as response to Warrior. It was as far as I had got before work went mad and the war ended. However I didn't want to let my draft go to waste....and had to post to demonstrate the comic genius, ineptitude, floored logic, double standards and bullying of Warrior & CG.
not seen any since joining this game couple years ago.
wonder if they are in my tree
house in main http://empire-app.co.uk/fairplay.aspgazz65 (GB1) said:Can anyone tell me were I can read these server rules.
not seen any since joining this game couple years ago.
wonder if they are in my tree
Cheers first ever look at themjsm1t (GB1) said:http://empire-app.co.uk/fairplay.aspgazz65 (GB1) said:Can anyone tell me were I can read these server rules.
not seen any since joining this game couple years ago.
wonder if they are in my tree
You didnt declare because it was unfair you declared because u wanted to and u were searching for an excuse. A bad one it was but an excuse nonetheless
Two sides to every story. Except Here where theirs 57 sides to a story,
~Ultra
warriordude7 (GB1) said:double standards and bullying? what you on about- sorry i read like a paragraph and got bored- i cant even read my own ones tbh.TBH I always read your posts as they are funny! Example being that my reference to double standards and bullying were in my final paragraph, so it would appear that you read all prior paragraphs, either that or you usually read the final paragraph of posts which results in poor responses.
Look its very simnple you tilted the war and made it unfair. When an alliance is at war its a common unstated rule that it should be kept to the two allainces and their members and that other alliances shouldnt get involved. It was quite fair at the time- if players go to the alliance to help with war after the declaration has gone up of course other alliances or allys will see this as unfair and send their men in. Then we declared on dow and offered peace if they returned their men. There neednt be no diplomacy about it- you did something unfair and so we came down with a heavy fist."Unstated rule"....It was, Musks v SnH. No other alliances did get involved. Some of DoW joined, and some of Odins joined. Still 2 alliances, Simples.As stated in the alliance server rules, there need not be diplomacy, but an explanation when requested would be handy, and equality would also be handy. Don't recall hearing that CG declared on Odins!Also, none of the members of DoW did anything "unfair". That would have been the members of DoW who went to Musks & the members of Odins who went to SnH
Server police? We all have to partake in making this a fairer server- we all need to speak up for what we think its wrong and unfair. You went from a 18th ranked alliance (musks) to top 10 and snh was about 16th. You shouldnt tip the balance- you over did it. if you wanted to even the might (not numbers they are different) then you shouldve sent a couple men BEFORE the declaration went up. Then you wouldve made it equal sided. But you over did it and made it impossible for snh to have any chance. This is unfair so we came down with a heavy hand.You seem to be contradicting yourself...I thought you only read one paragraph?"You went from 18th.......", I didn't, DoW didn't."You shouldn't have tipped the balance"......I didn't, DoW didn'tSo nothing to do with the 29 member DoW, nothing to do with Odins Fury, yet the heavy hand came down on DoW, not Odins Fury, and remained down even after the pesky 5 returned.Clearly double standards and bullying, but I do see your point in everyone on the server making it fairer, well at least in this case, the 64 members of CG against the 26 of DoW (as it became),(sorry I forgot, its not numbers that are important......48mill might points v 12million might points)....making it fairer for the rest of the server...You are indeed a comedian on a par with the greats.Got any plugs.........a rubber one, bathroom......no 13 ampUltra...Would love to get those 57 views, but it does only appear to be DoW and Warrior who have HAD a view.And here endeth the thread me thinks