Forum: empire-en
Board: [817] War Updates
Topic: [371990] Dont understand how I lost so badly ....
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ImperialGuard (US1) [US1]
:: March 12, 2020, 9:19 p.m.
Like come on how did I lose this? I t doesn't make any sense
come on I had better castellan and more troops and I lost so easily
.I guess didi thought to send veteral deathly horrors and veteran deathly demons against me xdd.Like that's insane. I don't understand ….Ok she got 30% but still
send more ruby attackers tyyyy….
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ImperialGuard (US1) [US1]
:: March 12, 2020, 9:24 p.m.
Didi I would like to see ur report as well to help me get it ok?StrongCommander (US1) said:
Like come on how did I lose this? I t doesn't make any sense
come on I had better castellan and more troops and I lost so easily
Like that's insane. I don't understand ….Ok she got 30% but still
send more ruby attackers tyyyy….
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Wasso (INT3) [INT3]
:: March 12, 2020, 9:31 p.m.
Post your the tools and troops for yourself and Didi. Best guess is you went all Range, and Didi negated it.
Looking at your report, you lost the wall on the first wave. Let most of the troops into the CY. 125% vs 34% was a shredding.....
Looking at your report, you lost the wall on the first wave. Let most of the troops into the CY. 125% vs 34% was a shredding.....
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ImperialGuard (US1) [US1]
:: March 12, 2020, 9:37 p.m.
She got all flanks which okk….but I don't understand even with 150% bonus in courtyard the % of lose my troops is bigger like.Maybe I should reduce number of ranged defenders....Wasso (INT3) said:Post your the tools and troops for yourself and Didi. Best guess is you went all Range, and Didi negated it....
Btw didi is 500 lvl and send veteran demon horrors and terrors against me
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Wasso (INT3) [INT3]
:: March 12, 2020, 9:48 p.m.
Well, then you were outmatched from the start. But, knowing what types of Def you had, and both of your tools setup would help us to explain how the math supports the outcome...…...
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ImperialGuard (US1) [US1]
:: March 12, 2020, 10:04 p.m.
I cant post tools or troops bcs I lost.... aWasso (INT3) said:Well, then you were outmatched from the start. But, knowing what types of Def you had, and both of your tools setup would help us to explain how the math supports the outcome...…...
Like what she did is pointless I mean she send 1.2 k veteran demon horrors with tools I don't even know how good.But look my castellan was better than her commander idk really how I lost that hard.
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Wasso (INT3) [INT3]
:: March 12, 2020, 11:41 p.m.
Sure you can! You only get ??? When you lose an attack. When you lose on Defense, you get to see all the details. It may take a little work, but it is the only way to share a BR outside your alliance. IF you want help understanding how your loses were correct by the game's math, please upload similar to the below.
Full main screen:
Then press the Right arrow next to the OVERVIEW box, and you will get to wave 1.
If you lost all your troops on wave 1, you will not need to show details from the other waves. But, for wave 1 press the Dark Yellow box on each part of the wall. These show the tools used and troops used.
TOOLS:
TROOPS:
Repeat for Middle and other Flank.
Finally, continue pressing the Right Arrow until you get back to the OVERVIEW. From there press the Dark Yellow box under the Courtyard label. This will show the results from the battle in the CY:
With all this information, you will be able to understand why the results are what they are. Many people here on the Forum helped me to understand these long ago...…..
Full main screen:
Then press the Right arrow next to the OVERVIEW box, and you will get to wave 1.
If you lost all your troops on wave 1, you will not need to show details from the other waves. But, for wave 1 press the Dark Yellow box on each part of the wall. These show the tools used and troops used.
TOOLS:
TROOPS:
Repeat for Middle and other Flank.
Finally, continue pressing the Right Arrow until you get back to the OVERVIEW. From there press the Dark Yellow box under the Courtyard label. This will show the results from the battle in the CY:
With all this information, you will be able to understand why the results are what they are. Many people here on the Forum helped me to understand these long ago...…..
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Osiris (GB1) [GB1]
:: March 13, 2020, 12:07 a.m.
Get your towers upgraded! The most important thing is to win the wall and NOT let the attacker get the 30% courtyard bonus by breaching all three walls. 124 on your wall is simply not enough to combat four waves of incoming army, especially if they are well tooled.
Building your defence structure is the first, most important thing to do in a castle. Do that and you give your teammates the best chance of supporting you. Combine that with good defence tooling and castellan and there is no excuse for not doing so. Many attackers actively look for underbuilt castles, those with weak spots in tooling, defence army, castellan. It gives them an advantage before they even set off.
Of course it is all about prioritising - you can't do everything first. So keep on steadily building and getting stronger and bit by bit the attacks will slow down or stop as you become less and less of a target and more and more of a fortress
Good luck!
Building your defence structure is the first, most important thing to do in a castle. Do that and you give your teammates the best chance of supporting you. Combine that with good defence tooling and castellan and there is no excuse for not doing so. Many attackers actively look for underbuilt castles, those with weak spots in tooling, defence army, castellan. It gives them an advantage before they even set off.
Of course it is all about prioritising - you can't do everything first. So keep on steadily building and getting stronger and bit by bit the attacks will slow down or stop as you become less and less of a target and more and more of a fortress
Good luck!
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ImperialGuard (US1) [US1]
:: March 13, 2020, 1:06 a.m.
My alliance has 2 members..Osiris (GB1) said:Get your towers upgraded! The most important thing is to win the wall and NOT let the attacker get the 30% courtyard bonus by breaching all three walls. 124 on your wall is simply not enough to combat four waves of incoming army, especially if they are well tooled.
Building your defence structure is the first, most important thing to do in a castle. Do that and you give your teammates the best chance of supporting you. Combine that with good defence tooling and castellan and there is no excuse for not doing so. Many attackers actively look for underbuilt castles, those with weak spots in tooling, defence army, castellan. It gives them an advantage before they even set off.
Of course it is all about prioritising - you can't do everything first. So keep on steadily building and getting stronger and bit by bit the attacks will slow down or stop as you become less and less of a target and more and more of a fortress
Good luck
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ImperialGuard (US1) [US1]
:: March 13, 2020, 1:09 a.m.
Wasso (INT3) said:Sure you can! You only get ??? When you lose an attack. When you lose on Defense, you get to see all the details. It may take a little work, but it is the only way to share a BR outside your alliance. IF you want help understanding how your loses were correct by the game's math, please upload similar to the below.
Full main screen:
Then press the Right arrow next to the OVERVIEW box, and you will get to wave 1.
If you lost all your troops on wave 1, you will not need to show details from the other waves. But, for wave 1 press the Dark Yellow box on each part of the wall. These show the tools used and troops used.
TOOLS:
TROOPS:
Repeat for Middle and other Flank.
Finally, continue pressing the Right Arrow until you get back to the OVERVIEW. From there press the Dark Yellow box under the Courtyard label. This will show the results from the battle in the CY:
With all this information, you will be able to understand why the results are what they are. Many people here on the Forum helped me to understand these long ago...…..
She was full veteran demon horrors and veteran deathly demons like that's really pointless of attacking lvl 55 with those troops ( best troops in the game )...
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ImperialGuard (US1) [US1]
:: March 13, 2020, 1:18 a.m.
This is the report in the keep 
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Wasso (INT3) [INT3]
:: March 13, 2020, 3:06 a.m.
Ok, so my numbers are incomplete, as there is a down arrow on the bottom of your defense losses list, AND I didn't bother to tally up the Offensive troop's defensive numbers, AND there is some rounding going on......BUT, these are the final numbers, followed by an important explanation.
TOTAL DEF = 551,005M / 418,611R
Range Def = 136,998M
Melee Def = 151,668R
TOTAL DEF = 551,005M / 418,611R
Range Def = 136,998M
Melee Def = 151,668R
Total Attack = 287,040M / 486,824R
Results = 53% Melee / 28% Range
Melee Troops had 416 * 53% = 220 losses
Range Troops had 806 * 28% = 225 losses
The rest of the numbers will follow below. This is the important bit, and it is what was explained to me and fits the above: In the CY, the Attack Troops go against the OPPOSITE Defense Type. Even though your TOTAL Defense Strength would SEEM to have you win on Melee and come REAL CLOSE on Range, that isn't the result. All your Melee Defense Troops are attacked by all the Ranged Attack Troops and your Ranged Defense Troops are attacked by the Melee Attack Troops. That is why in the list above it shows the Range Defense Troops MELEE Defense Strength and the Melee Defense Troops RANGE Defense Strength. Do the math on Def into Attack, and you have the % you took out. 53% of the Melee and 28% of the Range. Again, not EXACT numbers, but I didn't have all the data. Plus, there is some addition math (I Believe) that comes into play when the Melee/Range troop counts are lopsided like the above. Almost double the Range attackers to the Melee attackers.
The rest of the numbers:
Bonuses
90 Melee
90 Range
125 CY
+30 CY for beating all 3 sections of the wall
416 Vet Demon Horror = 200M + 245% = 690 * 416 = 287,040M
806 Vet Deathly Horror = 175R + 245% = 604 * 806 = 486,824R
VS
Bonuses
105 Melee
102 Range
35 CY
All below base stats shown, but + 140% Melee / + 137% Range used before the total.
673 Comp Bow = 74M/159R = 119,524M/233,258R
619 Flame Bearer = 170M/68R = 252,552M/109,018R
40 Lancers = 150M/19R = 14,400M/1801R
30 Sentinel Kingsguard = 150M/65R = 10,800M/4,621R
30 Scout Kingsguard = 70M/139R = 5,040M/9,883R
98 Vet Spearman = 142M/57R = 33,399M/13,239R
74 Ver Bowman = 65M/132R = 11,544M/23,150R
5 Archers = 53M/55R = 890M/652R
194 Halberdier = 135M/50R = 62,856M/22,989R
TOTAL DEF = 551,005M / 418,611R
Range Def = 136,998M
Melee Def = 151,668R
Melee Troops had 416 * 53% = 220 losses
Range Troops had 806 * 28% = 225 losses
The rest of the numbers will follow below. This is the important bit, and it is what was explained to me and fits the above: In the CY, the Attack Troops go against the OPPOSITE Defense Type. Even though your TOTAL Defense Strength would SEEM to have you win on Melee and come REAL CLOSE on Range, that isn't the result. All your Melee Defense Troops are attacked by all the Ranged Attack Troops and your Ranged Defense Troops are attacked by the Melee Attack Troops. That is why in the list above it shows the Range Defense Troops MELEE Defense Strength and the Melee Defense Troops RANGE Defense Strength. Do the math on Def into Attack, and you have the % you took out. 53% of the Melee and 28% of the Range. Again, not EXACT numbers, but I didn't have all the data. Plus, there is some addition math (I Believe) that comes into play when the Melee/Range troop counts are lopsided like the above. Almost double the Range attackers to the Melee attackers.
The rest of the numbers:
Bonuses
90 Melee
90 Range
125 CY
+30 CY for beating all 3 sections of the wall
416 Vet Demon Horror = 200M + 245% = 690 * 416 = 287,040M
806 Vet Deathly Horror = 175R + 245% = 604 * 806 = 486,824R
VS
Bonuses
105 Melee
102 Range
35 CY
All below base stats shown, but + 140% Melee / + 137% Range used before the total.
673 Comp Bow = 74M/159R = 119,524M/233,258R
619 Flame Bearer = 170M/68R = 252,552M/109,018R
40 Lancers = 150M/19R = 14,400M/1801R
30 Sentinel Kingsguard = 150M/65R = 10,800M/4,621R
30 Scout Kingsguard = 70M/139R = 5,040M/9,883R
98 Vet Spearman = 142M/57R = 33,399M/13,239R
74 Ver Bowman = 65M/132R = 11,544M/23,150R
5 Archers = 53M/55R = 890M/652R
194 Halberdier = 135M/50R = 62,856M/22,989R
TOTAL DEF = 551,005M / 418,611R
Range Def = 136,998M
Melee Def = 151,668R
Total Attack = 287,040M / 486,824R
Results = 53%M / 28% Range
Melee Troops had 416 * 53% = 220 losses
Range Troops had 806 * 28% = 225 losses
I know this seems unfair, and not right, and very confusing, and all sorts of other stuff. Who knows, I may even be wrong on my numbers. If I am, someone PLEASE correct me and help be learn even more about the game mechanics.
But, I think I got it right. Or at least close enough with the data I had............
Melee Troops had 416 * 53% = 220 losses
Range Troops had 806 * 28% = 225 losses
I know this seems unfair, and not right, and very confusing, and all sorts of other stuff. Who knows, I may even be wrong on my numbers. If I am, someone PLEASE correct me and help be learn even more about the game mechanics.
But, I think I got it right. Or at least close enough with the data I had............
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Dudester (INT1) [INT1]
:: March 13, 2020, 7:10 a.m.
its simple. They had 120%+ courtyard power on you. Your castellan was not better, it was greatly outmatched in that regard. You would need to more than double the defence you already had to stand a chance of winning in the courtyard against that attack.
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Venom (AU1) [AU1]
:: March 13, 2020, 8:47 a.m.
Only saved attack in my achieve at the moment, but as you can see a good commander/castellan will make all the difference, plus the poor tooling on his behalf didn't help (all wall and moat tools).
I've had players hit me and wipe 7k+ defense off me with 4.5k. So yeah, keep practicing and learning.
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Wasso (INT3) [INT3]
:: March 13, 2020, 11:07 p.m.
Here is an example of how a POORLY TOOLED section of the wall can be taken down by 1 attacker.
Yes, it is a Nomad setup, but it proves the point.
157 Ranged defenders were all defeated by ONE attacker. It didn't have to be a Vet Horror either. That is just what I am using today. 100% Range defenders on the wall. 100% of the Range Defenders were negated via 6 rolling shields and 1 tree trunk ladder. Therefore the Attacker faced 0 Defense.
As a reminder, Ranged Defenders can be negated on the wall. Melee defenders cannot............
Yes, it is a Nomad setup, but it proves the point.
157 Ranged defenders were all defeated by ONE attacker. It didn't have to be a Vet Horror either. That is just what I am using today. 100% Range defenders on the wall. 100% of the Range Defenders were negated via 6 rolling shields and 1 tree trunk ladder. Therefore the Attacker faced 0 Defense.
As a reminder, Ranged Defenders can be negated on the wall. Melee defenders cannot............
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ImperialGuard (US1) [US1]
:: March 14, 2020, 12:59 a.m.
Yes I learnt my lesson...Wasso (INT3) said:Here is an example of how a POORLY TOOLED section of the wall can be taken down by 1 attacker.
Yes, it is a Nomad setup, but it proves the point.
157 Ranged defenders were all defeated by ONE attacker. It didn't have to be a Vet Horror either. That is just what I am using today. 100% Range defenders on the wall. 100% of the Range Defenders were negated via 6 rolling shields and 1 tree trunk ladder. Therefore the Attacker faced 0 Defense.
As a reminder, Ranged Defenders can be negated on the wall. Melee defenders cannot............
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Sorth121 (US1) [US1]
:: March 18, 2020, 3:49 a.m.
This, like most of your new threads started on this page, is not a war update. This post, as well as most of your posts on this page, would be better for the players ask players section. Please god stop adding so many discussions.StrongCommander (US1) said:
Like come on how did I lose this? I t doesn't make any sense
come on I had better castellan and more troops and I lost so easily
Like that's insane. I don't understand ….Ok she got 30% but still
send more ruby attackers tyyyy….
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LadyDiDi (US1) [US1]
:: March 26, 2020, 5:04 a.m.
Just noticed this...
Only reason why I attacked you is because I was just looking around and on a different discussion I remember seeing you daring people to attack you, because "they wont get past through all your defenders with 1 attack"...
I think I just got out of outers, so had some extra troops, so I decided to test it out...
I had no bonus from the hall since your not level 70 yet. so that was just a simple 4 wave attack I did.
(also, I think you talk too much. And make yourself seem not very likable... )
But anyways, take care
Only reason why I attacked you is because I was just looking around and on a different discussion I remember seeing you daring people to attack you, because "they wont get past through all your defenders with 1 attack"...
I think I just got out of outers, so had some extra troops, so I decided to test it out...
I had no bonus from the hall since your not level 70 yet. so that was just a simple 4 wave attack I did.
(also, I think you talk too much. And make yourself seem not very likable... )
But anyways, take care
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Hands up (GB1) [GB1]
:: April 13, 2020, 11:38 a.m.
Leave and find a better one where you can learn about the game. I have done that and it has payed off.
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Kyriakos (GB1) [GB1]
:: April 13, 2020, 12:27 p.m.
Long story short, looking at the equipment stats, although your castellan has better melee and ranged combat strength, you were enormously outmatched in the courtyard.StrongCommander (US1) said:
Like come on how did I lose this? I t doesn't make any sense
come on I had better castellan and more troops and I lost so easily
Like that's insane. I don't understand ….Ok she got 30% but still
send more ruby attackers tyyyy….
With the +30% courtyard strength, they had 155% courtyard combat strength against your own 35%. This is probably why the attack demolished you with very few losses on the attacker's side.