Forum: empire-en
Board: [818] General Discussion
Topic: [306408] Elemental pretty bad when comparing to hlighlander?
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Jeffery~West (US1) [None]
:: April 24, 2016, 7:18 p.m.
So witelighting finally provided the full elemental stats, so many thanks to him for managing to get them.
Now I said this already but I do want to raise this point again.
Ok so thats:
Elemental: Highlander
50% more on the flanks. 15% flanks , 20% front
90 melee 90 melee
90 ranged 90 ranged
120 wall 120 wall
115 courtyard 30 courtyard (+4 lv 11 cy gems =114%)
75% moat 80% moat
75% later detection 70% late detection
80% travel speed 80% travel speed
50% gate 0% gate
60% glory 60% glory
30% loot 0% loot
So really all you get compared to the highlander is:
35% more flanks
20% LESS front (Compared to hl)
1% cy, (assuming 4 lv11 cy gems) (84%)
5% moat
5% SOONER detection
50% gate
30% loot
The cy bonus may vary if someone also has a look equip (with gem) with the elemental, but generally that is not the case
In the end is it really worth paying all them millions, the highlander is cheaper, and is only a little less powerfull in my opinion.
Now I said this already but I do want to raise this point again.
Ok so thats:
Elemental: Highlander
50% more on the flanks. 15% flanks , 20% front
90 melee 90 melee
90 ranged 90 ranged
120 wall 120 wall
115 courtyard 30 courtyard (+4 lv 11 cy gems =114%)
75% moat 80% moat
75% later detection 70% late detection
80% travel speed 80% travel speed
50% gate 0% gate
60% glory 60% glory
30% loot 0% loot
So really all you get compared to the highlander is:
35% more flanks
20% LESS front (Compared to hl)
1% cy, (assuming 4 lv11 cy gems) (84%)
5% moat
5% SOONER detection
50% gate
30% loot
The cy bonus may vary if someone also has a look equip (with gem) with the elemental, but generally that is not the case
In the end is it really worth paying all them millions, the highlander is cheaper, and is only a little less powerfull in my opinion.
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: April 24, 2016, 7:41 p.m.
mate if you have 4 lvl11 gems on the highlander your ahead
that elemental is runnign a lvl8 CY gem on a look item, so highlander with lvl11 gems has the same CY
the flank is the massive bonus and its how people use it that will make a difference.... with Elemental you can put points on 10% CY in hall, with Highlander you put 30% Flank on in the hall.
So then Elemental has 4% less CY when using hall and 20% more flank than someone using a highlander with hall points put on the flank as opposed ot the CY.
Highlander also has -40 wall from hero. So highlander is better than Elemental in that respect.
Horses for coarses, if your alliance isnt winnign the lvl11 gems and your a lazy ruby whale who cant buy a lvl11 gem from doing Berri in GE....... Lots of them BTW
Then the elemental is a good buy. Otherwise Highlander and Elemental are pretty even. The dude who has a elemental comm is goign to tell you its better but at the end of the day they are much the same thing just vastly different price points.
my 2 cents.
JJ.
that elemental is runnign a lvl8 CY gem on a look item, so highlander with lvl11 gems has the same CY
the flank is the massive bonus and its how people use it that will make a difference.... with Elemental you can put points on 10% CY in hall, with Highlander you put 30% Flank on in the hall.
So then Elemental has 4% less CY when using hall and 20% more flank than someone using a highlander with hall points put on the flank as opposed ot the CY.
Highlander also has -40 wall from hero. So highlander is better than Elemental in that respect.
Horses for coarses, if your alliance isnt winnign the lvl11 gems and your a lazy ruby whale who cant buy a lvl11 gem from doing Berri in GE....... Lots of them BTW
Then the elemental is a good buy. Otherwise Highlander and Elemental are pretty even. The dude who has a elemental comm is goign to tell you its better but at the end of the day they are much the same thing just vastly different price points.
my 2 cents.
JJ.
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WiteLighting (GB1) [None]
:: April 24, 2016, 9:15 p.m.
My pleasure for providing the full Elemental commander details 
Just for the fun of it I'm not gonna say who's it is, it's not Pmorti's, he might have the full set but nobody provided any proof so that could just be gossip....
The Elemental commander is just a waste of cash as Carnifex has wonderfully explained and anyone who did get it either just got it because it was new and 'cool' and thought it was awesome, or they are a millionaire and had cash to splash.
Just for the fun of it I'm not gonna say who's it is, it's not Pmorti's, he might have the full set but nobody provided any proof so that could just be gossip....
The Elemental commander is just a waste of cash as Carnifex has wonderfully explained and anyone who did get it either just got it because it was new and 'cool' and thought it was awesome, or they are a millionaire and had cash to splash.
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ang1243 (GB1) [GB1]
:: April 24, 2016, 9:33 p.m.
The actual full set
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Jeffery~West (US1) [None]
:: April 24, 2016, 9:36 p.m.
Rlly ang?
I sent you a message asking you for it weeks ago...
Dont tell me you didnt see it?
I sent you a message asking you for it weeks ago...
Dont tell me you didnt see it?
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FamousJohn8 (GB1) [None]
:: April 24, 2016, 10:25 p.m.
maybe he didnt have it
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WiteLighting (GB1) [None]
:: April 24, 2016, 11:07 p.m.
Haha! Have fun doing your workings out again Carnifex. Lol
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Philt123 (GB1) [GB1]
:: April 25, 2016, 8:03 a.m.
Just as an aside the highlander doesnt have any Flank bonus just 20% front and 40 wall.
So i guess the main difference is 50% flank vs 20% front.
But i agree that its no where as good as i was expecting it to be for the money. Certainly not a game changer thats for sure.
Especially when you throw into the mix the FI commander which is essentially free. Which rocks 37% cy 29% flank & 10% Front before you add a single Gem to it!!! Chuck 4 level 11 CY gems on it and its rocking 121% CY. And thats before any look item. Yes of course The FI comm has some lower other stats, but properly tooled it doesnt seem to have a huge disadvantage taking walls out which is all the other stats are really important for.
So which one is better?
Well it seems to me that a properly tooled up FI commander loaded with Cy gems is probably the most destrutive of all the comms.
So i guess the main difference is 50% flank vs 20% front.
But i agree that its no where as good as i was expecting it to be for the money. Certainly not a game changer thats for sure.
Especially when you throw into the mix the FI commander which is essentially free. Which rocks 37% cy 29% flank & 10% Front before you add a single Gem to it!!! Chuck 4 level 11 CY gems on it and its rocking 121% CY. And thats before any look item. Yes of course The FI comm has some lower other stats, but properly tooled it doesnt seem to have a huge disadvantage taking walls out which is all the other stats are really important for.
So which one is better?
Well it seems to me that a properly tooled up FI commander loaded with Cy gems is probably the most destrutive of all the comms.
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Some guy5 (GB1) [None]
:: April 25, 2016, 9:06 a.m.
They're assuming the highlander with the look piece. Which they shouldn't because who wants to spend hundreds of thousands of rubies on a look piece every 2 weeks.Philt123 (GB1) said:Just as an aside the highlander doesnt have any Flank bonus just 20% front and 40 wall.
So i guess the main difference is 50% flank vs 20% front.
But i agree that its no where as good as i was expecting it to be for the money. Certainly not a game changer thats for sure.
Especially when you throw into the mix the FI commander which is essentially free. Which rocks 37% cy 29% flank & 10% Front before you add a single Gem to it!!! Chuck 4 level 11 CY gems on it and its rocking 121% CY. And thats before any look item. Yes of course The FI comm has some lower other stats, but properly tooled it doesnt seem to have a huge disadvantage taking walls out which is all the other stats are really important for.
So which one is better?
Well it seems to me that a properly tooled up FI commander loaded with Cy gems is probably the most destrutive of all the comms.
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Philt123 (GB1) [GB1]
:: April 25, 2016, 9:17 a.m.
Does the elemental have the look item in those stats too then?
In which case it really is rubbish!
In which case it really is rubbish!
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Some guy5 (GB1) [None]
:: April 25, 2016, 9:21 a.m.
Yeah honestly when I saw the cost of it and you see things like 60% cy increase and gems that boost melle/range strength you expect a game changer.
Oh well at least this means the few fools who bought it wont be op'd to hell now.
Still the gems look decent on their own though. Increase melle/ragned and get a flank/cy boost. Pretty good on a regular comm.
Oh well at least this means the few fools who bought it wont be op'd to hell now.
Still the gems look decent on their own though. Increase melle/ragned and get a flank/cy boost. Pretty good on a regular comm.
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Philt123 (GB1) [GB1]
:: April 25, 2016, 9:22 a.m.
yeah for sure, do we know for sure that they increase past the normal max of 90 ?
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Some guy5 (GB1) [None]
:: April 25, 2016, 9:42 a.m.
I assumed so since they were gems.
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DashO (NL1) [None]
:: April 25, 2016, 10:09 a.m.
The elemental commander does not have a look item, as far as I know.
With the FI comm you can match (with level 11 gems) the flank and courtyard statts of the elementalist. However you miss the (important!) benefits of later detection, travel speed and the high moat.
I have seen the elementalist a couple of times in action. With samoerai soldiers or assassins it is very deadly on a short range (neighbours or attacks from resource villages) with that 90% later detection.
With normal attacks the difference is not that big, all well tooled 6 wave attacks are unstoppable on the wall. Which means that you will lose between 4-8k defenders (depending on the number of defenders in the courtyard).
With the FI comm you can match (with level 11 gems) the flank and courtyard statts of the elementalist. However you miss the (important!) benefits of later detection, travel speed and the high moat.
I have seen the elementalist a couple of times in action. With samoerai soldiers or assassins it is very deadly on a short range (neighbours or attacks from resource villages) with that 90% later detection.
With normal attacks the difference is not that big, all well tooled 6 wave attacks are unstoppable on the wall. Which means that you will lose between 4-8k defenders (depending on the number of defenders in the courtyard).
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: April 25, 2016, 11:17 a.m.
From what I've seen....Philt123 (GB1) said:Just as an aside the highlander doesnt have any Flank bonus just 20% front and 40 wall.
So i guess the main difference is 50% flank vs 20% front.
But i agree that its no where as good as i was expecting it to be for the money. Certainly not a game changer thats for sure.
Especially when you throw into the mix the FI commander which is essentially free. Which rocks 37% cy 29% flank & 10% Front before you add a single Gem to it!!! Chuck 4 level 11 CY gems on it and its rocking 121% CY. And thats before any look item. Yes of course The FI comm has some lower other stats, but properly tooled it doesnt seem to have a huge disadvantage taking walls out which is all the other stats are really important for.
So which one is better?
Well it seems to me that a properly tooled up FI commander loaded with Cy gems is probably the most destrutive of all the comms.
100% on the money. FI comm is the best all round comm for sending when you want to do bulk damage because they are going to be getting big support numbers.
This comming from a muppet who has a highlander.
FI Comm if you tool properly and are not cheap on the tools breaks 9//10 on a flank and if they try middle 2nd wave when you are tooling centre properly as well with hall bonuses added in. Its only when they put big wall gems on or have hall on defense with extra troops on the wall that this becomes an issue.
If your going up against bulk defenders FI comm may not break as early in some instances, however if you tool it right it will break and then it has higher base CY to start off with. Really hard to discount the FI comm when having this convo.
FI comm / Highlander / Elemental......
I fear a FI comm more than the others when properly tooled with good gems.
2 cents.