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Topic: [321012] FCO = For Christians Only

[4590841] outlaw_always (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 12, 2016, 11:35 p.m.

"some preacher" like Paul? 

[4590870] NoPainNoGainFTW (US1) [None] :: Oct. 13, 2016, 12:35 a.m.

Just ignore the guy and he will go away.

[4590876] Graycat (US1) (Banned) [None] :: Oct. 13, 2016, 12:45 a.m.

outlaw_always (US1) said:

"some preacher" like Paul? 

since you asked, no.

Paul never said anything against the Scriptures, the Law/Commandments, or God. In fact, he specifically said that he was not against any of that, and even if he did preach against the Law, I assure you that he did not have veto power over God. By some preacher, I mean the guy at the local church saying that god will bless you if you send him enough money to buy a new limo while he preaches "feel-good messages."

[4591700] Enow (US1) [None] :: Oct. 13, 2016, 12:54 p.m.

jeethBOSS-1 (US1) said:

i am not a christian, but i go to a catholic school.

And honestly, finding shit in the bible is the boringest stuff ever.

see, the biggest flaw of the abrahamic religions is that if judaism gets proven "wrong", then both christianity nad islam are wrong. if christianity is "wrong", then so is Islam. thats just my take on this whole thing

Actually, the point of Judaism was to show to humanity that even God's chosen people could not save themselves by their own merits & willpower and so they need God as their Saviour. 

That is why Jesus Christ is the Good News as prophesied to come from Judaism scripture, and why Islam is not of the God of Israel nor Christianity because it goes back to their own merits to save themselves.

So you might want to search the King James Bible with the Lord's help instead of relying on "Catholics" to teach you.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.  25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.  27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.  28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

[4591744] Enow (US1) [None] :: Oct. 13, 2016, 1:16 p.m.

Graycat (US1) said:

outlaw_always (US1) said:

I don't think that Christians think that Judaism is wrong... they think Christianity is like a next step...? Idk ask a Christian..

The difference between Christians and those following Judaism is that Jews have added to the torah and rejected the messiah while christians have taken away from the law and even removed the very foundation of their faith

Jesus said not to add to or take away from the Scriptures. The entire law is still applicable to everyone, all of the books of Moses still apply, and so on according to the Bible, and I personally don't think that some preacher has the right to say that we have done away with the Biblical laws of kosher and so on.

What was done away from the Biblical laws was the necessity to obtain righteousness and salvation from them in keeping them in becoming and living as His people.

Jesus had addressed the point of keeping the sabbath to the Pharisees that sought to condemn His disciples for plucking the ears of the corn on the sabbath day to eat.  Jesus cited 2 examples in the scripture where the saints had profane the sabbath day, but they were in the Temple, and therefore were blameless.  Then He pointed out that One greater than the Temple was here as to why His disciples were blameless.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.  2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.  3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;  4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?  5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?  6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.  7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.  8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

The new reality for believers in Christ cannot be overshadowed by the Old Covenant to obtain righteousness & salvation by.  Our identity for obtaining His righteousness and salvation is by faith in Him alone to having done it.  Then we are to live  by faith as His people by leaning on our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him, thereby getting to know Him & the power of His resurrection whereas before, they could not when they were trying to do the best they can & failing.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?  20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Because our body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit & Jesus Christ is in us, believers are not under the law to keep the sabbath day in becoming nor living as His people, but they are free to honor Him that day just as they are free to not honor Him that day because they belong to the Lord.

So there is a rest for the people of God so that they are no longer working to become His people, they are His people for simply believing in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead and because now that we have been reconciled with God through Jesus Christ by faith in Him as our Saviour that we are saved, we can live that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ by faith in Him in being our Good Shepherd to help us live as His to love others as He has loved us, even our enemies while following Him by faith as He leads us away from temptations & suffer this life with Him & His help in peace.

So that is why the Old Covenant has vanished for what it was given for the people to do to obtain righteousness & salvation by as the New Covenant is a testimony of what man could not do, because now it is God's turn.  The only requirement from us is, do we believe Him or not?

And yes, sometimes we need even His help to believe because of our unbelief or having a hard time seeing the truth.

Mark 9: 23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.  24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

[4593968] Gobygirl3 (US1) [None] :: Oct. 15, 2016, 4:38 p.m.

[4594097] Amnesiac Lapp (US1) [None] :: Oct. 15, 2016, 7:31 p.m.

Enow (US1) said:

jeethBOSS-1 (US1) said:

i am not a christian, but i go to a catholic school.

And honestly, finding shit in the bible is the boringest stuff ever.

see, the biggest flaw of the abrahamic religions is that if judaism gets proven "wrong", then both christianity nad islam are wrong. if christianity is "wrong", then so is Islam. thats just my take on this whole thing

Actually, the point of Judaism was to show to humanity that even God's chosen people could not save themselves by their own merits & willpower and so they need God as their Saviour. 

That is why Jesus Christ is the Good News as prophesied to come from Judaism scripture, and why Islam is not of the God of Israel nor Christianity because it goes back to their own merits to save themselves.

So you might want to search the King James Bible with the Lord's help instead of relying on "Catholics" to teach you.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.  25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.  27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.  28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Honestly, this is where i drop the big bomb






WHAT IF GOD DOESNT EXIST??????????

[4594248] outlaw_always (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 16, 2016, 1:31 a.m.

Then you have no point to life. There are no moral laws, and hell why do people not just murder other people to take their lunch :P 

[4594270] Sir Wins Alot (US1) [None] :: Oct. 16, 2016, 2:46 a.m.

jeethBOSS-1 (US1) said:

Honestly, this is where i drop the big bomb


WHAT IF GOD DOESNT EXIST??????????

outlaw_always (US1) said:

Then you have no point to life. There are no moral laws, and hell why do people not just murder other people to take their lunch :P 

[4594417] Mr.assassin2 (US1) [None] :: Oct. 16, 2016, 10:47 a.m.

outlaw_always (US1) said:

I don't think that Christians think that Judaism is wrong... they think Christianity is like a next step...? Idk ask a Christian..

Judaism came first, with the Torah.

Christianity came next, with the new testament.

Muslims believe the Quran is the next in succession of these books of faith, as they believe both the old/new testaments were corrupted, or something to that extent.

All of them have their critics, as well as their followers.

I am a Christian though, so I may be a little biased

[4594523] Amnesiac Lapp (US1) [None] :: Oct. 16, 2016, 12:46 p.m.

Sir Wins Alot (US1) said:

jeethBOSS-1 (US1) said:

Honestly, this is where i drop the big bomb


WHAT IF GOD DOESNT EXIST??????????

outlaw_always (US1) said:

Then you have no point to life. There are no moral laws, and hell why do people not just murder other people to take their lunch :P 

If you haven't seen the movie "Gods Not Dead" yet , it is worth a watch 

i have. its a pretty dumb movie in my opinion. but again, its my opinion, so i will respect yours

[4594534] Enow (US1) [None] :: Oct. 16, 2016, 12:58 p.m.

outlaw_always (US1) said:

Then you have no point to life. There are no moral laws, and hell why do people not just murder other people to take their lunch :P 

What is it about keeping the sabbath day even possible when He says that no servants are allowed to work on the sabbath day either?  That means no shopping on Saturday;  no getting gas, no watching television, no gaming on the internet because people are working for your convenience.  If anybody thinks they can pat themselves on the back in Heaven and declare that they have kept the sabbath day as God taught for Israelites to do under the Old Covenant, God will show them where they did not keep it.

There will be no glorifying redeemed sinners in heaven as sabbath day keepers when it is His righteousness without the law under the Old Covenant that is bringing them Home.  He is the One that justifies us;  not the keeping of the sabbath day.

Matthew 12th chapter on why the sabbath day is no longer lord over man, because Jesus is.  Jesus gave two incidents in the scripture where saints had PROFANED the sabbath day but theyw ere blameless because they did it while in the Temple and then Jesus referred to Himself indirectly by saying One greater than the Temple is here;  meaning Jesus justifies believers now for He is with us and dwelling in us forever.

So there is no continual keeping of the sabbath day as if there is something to do yet to become His or to save yourselves by for we are His.  By stopping in looking to yourself in doing the best you can in living as His, a believer is to continue to believe in Him as more than just their Saviour, but as their Good Shepherd as well, since He dwells in us and is with us forever as He will help us to follow Him by faith alone.  We have His words & the words of His disciples and the apostle Paul's  in the New Testament of the King James Bible to guide us so that we may know where we need His help in to depart from iniquity & sin so that we may abide in Him in living this reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.

So what we can't do in living as His people, God can, as we are to trust Him as our Good Shepherd to finish His work in us to His glory thereby we get to know Him & the power of His resurrection, when we see how trusting Him to do His work in us in leading us the way we ought to go and think is happening whereas before we could not do it, even by doing the best we can by our will power.

Now for that snarky remark;  the reason why people do not murder other people to take their lunch, then who will bring the murdering bullies their lunches for tomorrow, especially when it may be a type of lunch that they like?  Course, believers should not be doing that for He would have us love one another, and He will help the bullies not to do that, even though they come to school hungry with no lunch at all just as He will help those persecuted to share their lunches with the bullies.

Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. 20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

[4594626] outlaw_always (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 16, 2016, 3:13 p.m.

I said that in reply to "What if God doesn't exist" If God didn't exist everything would be pointless, because you're not living for anything.... why would anyone care about anything if they didn't have something to look forward to... 

[4595407] danielbannister (US1) [None] :: Oct. 17, 2016, 4:26 p.m.

Gobygirl3 (US1) said:

The problem with this statement by Roberts, is that objective truth does exist.  Something has to be true because we do in fact exist.  Whether your answer is God created or we evolved, one of the two is true.  If it's God created, then the conversation needs to be how we can know and identify God.  To do as Roberts does and dismiss everything is to take the easy way out and admit you are unwilling to even begin to discuss where we came from and the source of everything. 

[4595553] outlaw_always (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 17, 2016, 6:53 p.m.

^ yup 

I mean if I believed that my religion was murdering people you wouldn't be talking Gobygirl... you would be all like

[4595887] Sir Wins Alot (US1) [None] :: Oct. 18, 2016, 7:42 a.m.

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[4600080] Sir Wins Alot (US1) [None] :: Oct. 24, 2016, 3:36 a.m.

[4608228] Enow (US1) [None] :: Nov. 4, 2016, 9:39 p.m.

danielbannister (US1) said:

Gobygirl3 (US1) said:

The problem with this statement by Roberts, is that objective truth does exist.  Something has to be true because we do in fact exist.  Whether your answer is God created or we evolved, one of the two is true.  If it's God created, then the conversation needs to be how we can know and identify God.  To do as Roberts does and dismiss everything is to take the easy way out and admit you are unwilling to even begin to discuss where we came from and the source of everything. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJUh-Jeqfrg

Sometimes, God has to intervene for people seeking the truth to find Him.