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Topic: [321243] FCO: How God's Official Prayer System Actually Works
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:: Oct. 13, 2016, 3:16 p.m.
This is a showing of the scripture in the King James Bible that explains how God's prayer system actually works.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.....13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
The Son of God, Jesus Christ, is the One that is actually answering the prayer for the purpose of the Father being glorified in the Son for answered prayers. Nobody else can answer the prayer; not even the Holy Spirit Whom is God, because that is not His job to do.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Timothy 2:5 dictates the will of God the Father. John 14:13-14 explains why so that when Jesus presents our intercessions, the Spirit's intercessions, and His own intercessions to the Father, when the Father says "Yes" to any of those intercessions, the Son answers the prayer so that the Father is glorified in the Son for answering the prayers. No one else can do it.
John 14:6 is Jesus stating the will of the Father in how any one can approach God the Father by, in prayer.
The problem with the modern Bibles is the mistranslation of Romans 8:26-27 whereas they testify that the Holy Spirit does make His own intercessions by Himself, but that is not the truth in His words as we go to John 16:13 of that modern Bible to prove that is a mistranslation and why the King James Bible has it right.
All Bibles has translated John 16:13 correctly.
John 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. NASB
John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. ESV
John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. NIV
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. KJV
They all agree that the Holy Spirit does not speak for Himself as if He can stop speaking for Christ by saying, "Okay. This is the Holy Spirit speaking here, and not the Son nor the Father speaking these words now. I have a few words to say..." John 16:13 says He cannot do that. He can only speak what He hears so that as of now, He is the Spirit of Christ; He will not stop to be the Spirit of the Spirit.
Now for the mistranslation in modern Bibles whereas the KJV has it right.
Romans 8: 26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the [a]saints according to the will of God. NASB
The NASB implies that the Holy Spirit utters His own intercessions by Himself, and that sounds are being heard as groanings.
Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because[a] the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. ESV
The ESV implies the Holy Spirit utters His own intercessions by Himself, and that sounds are being heard as groanings.
Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God. NIV
The NIV implies that the Holy Spirit utters His own intercessions by Himself, and that sounds are being heard as groanings as well, but they go further in this mistranslation by committing a grammatical error when switching out the "he" with "the Spirit" in verse 27. How can the "he" that is separate from us in searching our hearts and separate from the Spirit in knowing the mind of, be the Spirit? That is wrong.
Romans 8: 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. KJV
The KJV testifies that the Holy Spirit has intercessions, but He does not utter them since verse 26 says; "with groanings which cannot be uttered" which means no sound at all. If groanings are not being uttered, then it is not being heard, now is it?
The KJV goes on to explain how the unspeakable intercessions of the Spirit's are made known; that is testifying to Another as this "he" that searches our hearts is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit, as "he" is the One that intercedes for the saints in according to the will of God.
Who is this "he" that searches our hearts that also knows the mind of the Spirit to utter the Spirit's intercessions for the Spirit?
Jesus Christ, aka the Son of God aka the Word of God.
Hebrews 4: 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. KJV
That is why "itself" was used because the intercessons of the Holy Spirit were being made known by the Son knowing the mind of the Spirit as it is the Son's job as our only Mediator between God and man, to present the Spirit's intercessions to the Father.
So the Holy Spirit is not uttering nor speaking His own intercessions by Himself. It is by the Son knowing the mind of the Spirit is how the Spirit's intercessions for us is given.
So what does that mean in relations to God's gift of tongues?? Paul said plainly what God's gift of tongues was for. He was emphasizing this so that readers may not confuse his words to mean something else in that chapter when he was exhorting believers to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts, including tongues, so that all may be edified in the assembly to profit the body of Christ overall.
1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
That ties in with John 16:13 & Romans 8:26-27 in the KJV as the truth lines up in His words that the Holy Spirit cannot speak nor utter anything for Himself, but speaks what He hears as God's gift of tongues is for speaking unto the people in foreign languages.
That means the Holy Spirit would never turn around God's gift of tongues to use as a secret covert prayer language for Himself when "praying outloud" back to God.
Is this supernatural tongue real that believers are thinking that it is a form of prayer language back to God, because it comes with no interpretation? Yes, but it is not of the Lord. The world has been experiencing that kind of tongue which is not a foreign language of men but just babbling nonsense long before that day of Pentecoste when the real God's gift of tongues of other men's lips had come.
You can find this kind of supernatural tongue in mediums, voodooism, other religions of the world, and even cults in christianity.
One Pentecostal/Charismatic had said to me that all Catholics are going to hell. Then I said that Catholics speak in tongues too since there is such a thing as a Charismatic Catholic Church, and then he changed his tune by saying that maybe Catholics are saved too.
The thing is, as much as non-Catholic tongue speakers condemn Catholics as going to hell, they can accept that they are speaking in tongues too and therefore they must be saved too, and all the while not one time has this "Spirit" by way of tongues, corrected these Catholics for doing the works of catholicism.
FYI; I believe Catholics are saved since they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God raised Him from the dead, but are at risk of being left behind at the pre tribulational rapture event because the works of catholicism do deny Him as the singular hope of bringing them Home by His righteousness and not by doing the works of catholicism. They can repent with His help by departing from catholicism & that church.
I also believe this tongue which comes with no interpretation and is being used as a promotion to receiving the "Holy Spirit" "again" in order to get this tongue that comes with no interpretation is the apostasy aka the falling away from the faith warned about that can happen to believers in Christ.
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
They will acknowledge that the Holy Spirit is in them but yet seek to receive Him again in this "other calling" in order to get this babbling nonsense that is this supernatural tongue; ignoring all the warnings in scripture to not believe that to be of Him.
2 Corinthians 11:1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
That babbling nonsense is not the only sign that those that err are experiencing. Sometime they fall backwards down on the floor, & sometime they do body convulsions or be twitching in some way while on the floor. Some will do other crazy things as a sign that they are receiving Him "again", but this is not of the Lord and scripture can prove that they are drinking from another "fountain".
Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
There is only One drink of the One Spirit by Whom we all have been baptized by.
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
That verse above is from the chapter explaining the manifestation of the Spirit's in the churches so that means there is no receiving the Holy Spirit again to get these gifts of the Spirit.
There is a book out where the author believes there are 3 baptisms with the Holy Spirit. The "minister" that I used to work with that had condemned Catholics as going to hell before changing his mind about them because they too speak in tongues... tried to impress upon me of his personal belief and experience that there are 5 baptisms with the Holy Spirit.
There is only one hope of our calling and therefore only one baptism with the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
We receive this promise at our salvation when we first believe in Him;
Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
So there is no asking the Father to receive the Holy Spirit "again" unless we make the Father "look evil" for not giving us the promise of the Holy Spirit when we knocked at the door of Jesus the first time.
Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
That is the whole point of what Jesus was saying here that those that seek to be saved by Jesus Christ shall receive the promise of the Spirit the first time and there will be no need to ask to receive the Holy Spirit "again".
There is a lie out there that tries to incite fear in believers that if they do not speak in tongues, then they do not have the Holy Spirit, and therefore they are not saved. Do not believe this lie, because Paul even testified that not all speak in tongues.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
So new believers and those that have been believers for a long time, need not look to a sign of tongues to serve as proof that you have the Holy Spirit in you. The fact that you believe in Him as your Saviour is how the promise had come; by faith.
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith....26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
This other supernatural event where believers think they are receiving the Holy Spirit "again" with tongues or even other sensational signs in the flesh is real but not of Him.
John warned believers not to believe every spirit but test them, even the tongues they bring as they speak as the world did with their supernatural tongue of babbling nonsense. Anyone that confesses that they feel the Holy Spirit in the worship place, coming and going with signs and wonders, falling on saved believers again and even again, should know by John's words, that is the spirit of the antichrist that is in the world.
John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1 John 4:1-7 is all about testing the spirits as the examination of our faith is that Jesus Christ is in us. Some misread that passage as if John was speaking against the false teaching that Jesus had never come in the flesh, but not so. Verse 3 clarifies that point when it is defining that spirit of the antichrist as being outside of us and in the world so that when believers experience a spirit coming over them, entering them, bringing babbling nonsense and/or other sensational signs in the flesh, it is not the Holy Spirit when the Holy Spirit was already in them in the first place. These events can happen to a believer which is why John warned believers not to believe every spirit but test them as the tongues they bring, they will speak as the world speaks with their supernatural tongue; babbling nonsense.
So may the Lord help us to understand how He has set up His prayer system and how the Son is the only Mediator between God and man to answer prayers and why the Holy Spirit can never use God's gift of tongues as a prayer language so that believer need not depart from faith in giving heed to this other "calling" in seeking " another baptism with the Holy Spirit with evidence of tongues" so they can rest in Him before the Bridegroom comes.
Those that have gone astray, are still our brothers & sisters, but are at risk of being left behind, unless they repent with His help by asking Him to see the truth in His words in the KJV and lean on Him for help to shun vain & profane babblings and pray normally so they can give genuine thanks to the Father in Jesus's name for known prayers that they have prayed for that was answered by the Son.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.....13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
The Son of God, Jesus Christ, is the One that is actually answering the prayer for the purpose of the Father being glorified in the Son for answered prayers. Nobody else can answer the prayer; not even the Holy Spirit Whom is God, because that is not His job to do.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Timothy 2:5 dictates the will of God the Father. John 14:13-14 explains why so that when Jesus presents our intercessions, the Spirit's intercessions, and His own intercessions to the Father, when the Father says "Yes" to any of those intercessions, the Son answers the prayer so that the Father is glorified in the Son for answering the prayers. No one else can do it.
John 14:6 is Jesus stating the will of the Father in how any one can approach God the Father by, in prayer.
The problem with the modern Bibles is the mistranslation of Romans 8:26-27 whereas they testify that the Holy Spirit does make His own intercessions by Himself, but that is not the truth in His words as we go to John 16:13 of that modern Bible to prove that is a mistranslation and why the King James Bible has it right.
All Bibles has translated John 16:13 correctly.
John 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. NASB
John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. ESV
John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. NIV
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. KJV
They all agree that the Holy Spirit does not speak for Himself as if He can stop speaking for Christ by saying, "Okay. This is the Holy Spirit speaking here, and not the Son nor the Father speaking these words now. I have a few words to say..." John 16:13 says He cannot do that. He can only speak what He hears so that as of now, He is the Spirit of Christ; He will not stop to be the Spirit of the Spirit.
Now for the mistranslation in modern Bibles whereas the KJV has it right.
Romans 8: 26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the [a]saints according to the will of God. NASB
The NASB implies that the Holy Spirit utters His own intercessions by Himself, and that sounds are being heard as groanings.
Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because[a] the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. ESV
The ESV implies the Holy Spirit utters His own intercessions by Himself, and that sounds are being heard as groanings.
Romans 8:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God. NIV
The NIV implies that the Holy Spirit utters His own intercessions by Himself, and that sounds are being heard as groanings as well, but they go further in this mistranslation by committing a grammatical error when switching out the "he" with "the Spirit" in verse 27. How can the "he" that is separate from us in searching our hearts and separate from the Spirit in knowing the mind of, be the Spirit? That is wrong.
Romans 8: 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. KJV
The KJV testifies that the Holy Spirit has intercessions, but He does not utter them since verse 26 says; "with groanings which cannot be uttered" which means no sound at all. If groanings are not being uttered, then it is not being heard, now is it?
The KJV goes on to explain how the unspeakable intercessions of the Spirit's are made known; that is testifying to Another as this "he" that searches our hearts is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit, as "he" is the One that intercedes for the saints in according to the will of God.
Who is this "he" that searches our hearts that also knows the mind of the Spirit to utter the Spirit's intercessions for the Spirit?
Jesus Christ, aka the Son of God aka the Word of God.
Hebrews 4: 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. KJV
That is why "itself" was used because the intercessons of the Holy Spirit were being made known by the Son knowing the mind of the Spirit as it is the Son's job as our only Mediator between God and man, to present the Spirit's intercessions to the Father.
So the Holy Spirit is not uttering nor speaking His own intercessions by Himself. It is by the Son knowing the mind of the Spirit is how the Spirit's intercessions for us is given.
So what does that mean in relations to God's gift of tongues?? Paul said plainly what God's gift of tongues was for. He was emphasizing this so that readers may not confuse his words to mean something else in that chapter when he was exhorting believers to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts, including tongues, so that all may be edified in the assembly to profit the body of Christ overall.
1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
That ties in with John 16:13 & Romans 8:26-27 in the KJV as the truth lines up in His words that the Holy Spirit cannot speak nor utter anything for Himself, but speaks what He hears as God's gift of tongues is for speaking unto the people in foreign languages.
That means the Holy Spirit would never turn around God's gift of tongues to use as a secret covert prayer language for Himself when "praying outloud" back to God.
Is this supernatural tongue real that believers are thinking that it is a form of prayer language back to God, because it comes with no interpretation? Yes, but it is not of the Lord. The world has been experiencing that kind of tongue which is not a foreign language of men but just babbling nonsense long before that day of Pentecoste when the real God's gift of tongues of other men's lips had come.
You can find this kind of supernatural tongue in mediums, voodooism, other religions of the world, and even cults in christianity.
One Pentecostal/Charismatic had said to me that all Catholics are going to hell. Then I said that Catholics speak in tongues too since there is such a thing as a Charismatic Catholic Church, and then he changed his tune by saying that maybe Catholics are saved too.
The thing is, as much as non-Catholic tongue speakers condemn Catholics as going to hell, they can accept that they are speaking in tongues too and therefore they must be saved too, and all the while not one time has this "Spirit" by way of tongues, corrected these Catholics for doing the works of catholicism.
FYI; I believe Catholics are saved since they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God raised Him from the dead, but are at risk of being left behind at the pre tribulational rapture event because the works of catholicism do deny Him as the singular hope of bringing them Home by His righteousness and not by doing the works of catholicism. They can repent with His help by departing from catholicism & that church.
I also believe this tongue which comes with no interpretation and is being used as a promotion to receiving the "Holy Spirit" "again" in order to get this tongue that comes with no interpretation is the apostasy aka the falling away from the faith warned about that can happen to believers in Christ.
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
They will acknowledge that the Holy Spirit is in them but yet seek to receive Him again in this "other calling" in order to get this babbling nonsense that is this supernatural tongue; ignoring all the warnings in scripture to not believe that to be of Him.
2 Corinthians 11:1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
That babbling nonsense is not the only sign that those that err are experiencing. Sometime they fall backwards down on the floor, & sometime they do body convulsions or be twitching in some way while on the floor. Some will do other crazy things as a sign that they are receiving Him "again", but this is not of the Lord and scripture can prove that they are drinking from another "fountain".
Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
There is only One drink of the One Spirit by Whom we all have been baptized by.
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
That verse above is from the chapter explaining the manifestation of the Spirit's in the churches so that means there is no receiving the Holy Spirit again to get these gifts of the Spirit.
There is a book out where the author believes there are 3 baptisms with the Holy Spirit. The "minister" that I used to work with that had condemned Catholics as going to hell before changing his mind about them because they too speak in tongues... tried to impress upon me of his personal belief and experience that there are 5 baptisms with the Holy Spirit.
There is only one hope of our calling and therefore only one baptism with the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
We receive this promise at our salvation when we first believe in Him;
Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
So there is no asking the Father to receive the Holy Spirit "again" unless we make the Father "look evil" for not giving us the promise of the Holy Spirit when we knocked at the door of Jesus the first time.
Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
That is the whole point of what Jesus was saying here that those that seek to be saved by Jesus Christ shall receive the promise of the Spirit the first time and there will be no need to ask to receive the Holy Spirit "again".
There is a lie out there that tries to incite fear in believers that if they do not speak in tongues, then they do not have the Holy Spirit, and therefore they are not saved. Do not believe this lie, because Paul even testified that not all speak in tongues.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
So new believers and those that have been believers for a long time, need not look to a sign of tongues to serve as proof that you have the Holy Spirit in you. The fact that you believe in Him as your Saviour is how the promise had come; by faith.
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith....26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
This other supernatural event where believers think they are receiving the Holy Spirit "again" with tongues or even other sensational signs in the flesh is real but not of Him.
John warned believers not to believe every spirit but test them, even the tongues they bring as they speak as the world did with their supernatural tongue of babbling nonsense. Anyone that confesses that they feel the Holy Spirit in the worship place, coming and going with signs and wonders, falling on saved believers again and even again, should know by John's words, that is the spirit of the antichrist that is in the world.
John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1 John 4:1-7 is all about testing the spirits as the examination of our faith is that Jesus Christ is in us. Some misread that passage as if John was speaking against the false teaching that Jesus had never come in the flesh, but not so. Verse 3 clarifies that point when it is defining that spirit of the antichrist as being outside of us and in the world so that when believers experience a spirit coming over them, entering them, bringing babbling nonsense and/or other sensational signs in the flesh, it is not the Holy Spirit when the Holy Spirit was already in them in the first place. These events can happen to a believer which is why John warned believers not to believe every spirit but test them as the tongues they bring, they will speak as the world speaks with their supernatural tongue; babbling nonsense.
So may the Lord help us to understand how He has set up His prayer system and how the Son is the only Mediator between God and man to answer prayers and why the Holy Spirit can never use God's gift of tongues as a prayer language so that believer need not depart from faith in giving heed to this other "calling" in seeking " another baptism with the Holy Spirit with evidence of tongues" so they can rest in Him before the Bridegroom comes.
Those that have gone astray, are still our brothers & sisters, but are at risk of being left behind, unless they repent with His help by asking Him to see the truth in His words in the KJV and lean on Him for help to shun vain & profane babblings and pray normally so they can give genuine thanks to the Father in Jesus's name for known prayers that they have prayed for that was answered by the Son.
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varg vikernes (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 13, 2016, 8:24 p.m.
If I wanted to go to church or read the bible, I wouldn't be doing it here dude.
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Sameehah (GB1) [GB1]
:: Oct. 13, 2016, 10:13 p.m.
Not to be rude or anything but did you copy and paste all of this??
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Amnesiac Lapp (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 13, 2016, 10:15 p.m.
he probably looked up bible passages, then wrote a deeper meaning, repeating the process over and over again to get his message acrossSameehah (GB1) said:Not to be rude or anything but did you copy and paste all of this??
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Sameehah (GB1) [GB1]
:: Oct. 13, 2016, 10:19 p.m.
To be truthful noone wants to read anything regarding religion on a gaming forum/site let alone a massive passages about it.
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Amnesiac Lapp (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 13, 2016, 10:34 p.m.
my exact reason on disliking these series of threadsSameehah (GB1) said:To be truthful noone wants to read anything regarding religion on a gaming forum/site let alone a massive passages about it.
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Enow (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 14, 2016, 1:35 p.m.
And yet here is the only time and place where issues on keeping the faith which is the good fight for believers to be engaging in, can be done since patented sermons and timed Sunday school lessons leave little time to address any believer's questions or concerns. Indeed, if it goes against church's traditional practices or teachings, they will not give it time.varg vikernes (US1) said:If I wanted to go to church or read the bible, I wouldn't be doing it here dude.
The Thread was labelled FCO = For Christian Only so you have no excuse if you did not want to read it. Certainly the title was on a subject that you did not care to read about, and yet you act like it was unavoidable.
Feel free to avoid these threads, fellow gamer. It is really not that hard, but I know you just wanted to have fun by taking a drive by jab with your reply. And that is why you really did it, right? To have fun. You have that liberty.
But I know for all the negative replies, no one is holding a gun or a battleaxe at your heads to read these threads, but yet.. the negative replies will still come. That is okay. That is the liberty that our soldiers are fighting for overseas & our veterans have died for; the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion and the freedom of hecklings.
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Enow (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 14, 2016, 1:36 p.m.
Nope. Just the verses from Bible Gateway on the King James Bible; and few verses from the comparative ones of the NASB, ESV, & NIV.Sameehah (GB1) said:Not to be rude or anything but did you copy and paste all of this??
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Enow (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 14, 2016, 1:39 p.m.
Only those that seek the truth & confirmation from the Lord Jesus Christ at that throne of grace will be able to receive the message of knowledge & discernment in understanding His words in the King James Bible since wisdom can only come from the Lord.jeethBOSS-1 (US1) said:he probably looked up bible passages, then wrote a deeper meaning, repeating the process over and over again to get his message acrossSameehah (GB1) said:Not to be rude or anything but did you copy and paste all of this??
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Enow (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 14, 2016, 1:44 p.m.
GGE provided an Off Topic section of the gaming forum that is for nothing to do with gaming. There is no censorship on religion nor any expression of faith in regards to this Off Topic section.Sameehah (GB1) said:To be truthful noone wants to read anything regarding religion on a gaming forum/site let alone a massive passages about it.
Again, the Title is labelled FCO = For Christians Only and certainly the title should have given you an idea what the thread was about to avoid it, so that is on you for clicking on it.
So everybody knows now how to avoid these threads that do not want to read these types of threads?
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outlaw_always (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 14, 2016, 2:21 p.m.
Lol you just put yourself on a spotlight son. xD You are now going to be the example to other people on what a Christian is. If you like Christianity then you'd better put on one helluva show xD.
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The Carnifex (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 14, 2016, 5:05 p.m.
Nothing against you or anyone religious. But there are actual religion forums which is a much better place to discuss this stuff. Not an online strategy game forum.
I get that it's off topic and you titled the thread with the tag. But really why not go to an actual religious gaming forum where you can discuss with like minded people topics where you will most likely get a much better response.
I get that it's off topic and you titled the thread with the tag. But really why not go to an actual religious gaming forum where you can discuss with like minded people topics where you will most likely get a much better response.
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Amnesiac Lapp (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 14, 2016, 7:44 p.m.
Jesus christ. You sound like an evangelistic version of graycatEnow (US1) said:Only those that seek the truth & confirmation from the Lord Jesus Christ at that throne of grace will be able to receive the message of knowledge & discernment in understanding His words in the King James Bible since wisdom can only come from the Lord.jeethBOSS-1 (US1) said:he probably looked up bible passages, then wrote a deeper meaning, repeating the process over and over again to get his message acrossSameehah (GB1) said:Not to be rude or anything but did you copy and paste all of this??
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Enow (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 14, 2016, 8:07 p.m.
Because like the churches, anything that rains on their parade or their accepted traditional practices, gets ignored or banned. This is the signs of the time and Jesus had prophesied that many shall fall away from the faith in the latter days before the Bridegroom comes.Carnifexx (US1) said:Nothing against you or anyone religious. But there are actual religion forums which is a much better place to discuss this stuff. Not an online strategy game forum.
I get that it's off topic and you titled the thread with the tag. But really why not go to an actual religious gaming forum where you can discuss with like minded people topics where you will most likely get a much better response.
They do not address the scripture and certainly give no time nor tolerance for what they believe to be ok when I share His words that says it is iniquity.
So now, as long as God is willing, His messages for believers in getting ready shall hit the highways and byways for any that seek Him outside the norm of their regular patented & timed sermons and Sunday school lessons.
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Amnesiac Lapp (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 14, 2016, 9:58 p.m.
Enow (US1) said:Because like the churches, anything that rains on their parade or their accepted traditional practices, gets ignored or banned. This is the signs of the time and Jesus had prophesied that many shall fall away from the faith in the latter days before the Bridegroom comes.Carnifexx (US1) said:Nothing against you or anyone religious. But there are actual religion forums which is a much better place to discuss this stuff. Not an online strategy game forum.
I get that it's off topic and you titled the thread with the tag. But really why not go to an actual religious gaming forum where you can discuss with like minded people topics where you will most likely get a much better response.
They do not address the scripture and certainly give no time nor tolerance for what they believe to be ok when I share His words that says it is iniquity.
So now, as long as God is willing, His messages for believers in getting ready shall hit the highways and byways for any that seek Him outside the norm of their regular patented & timed sermons and Sunday school lessons.
Whats next, your gonna write the 5th gospel?
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outlaw_always (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 14, 2016, 10:03 p.m.
Many have fallen away... from the Catholic Church :P Give it up. You're not going to convince me that your Christian is better than those Catholic Christians.. they've been around for millenia and you've just got your life.
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Amnesiac Lapp (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 14, 2016, 10:08 p.m.
the division has been around since what? the 1400s-1500s? its never gonna heal. or at least not for a while.outlaw_always (US1) said:Many have fallen away... from the Catholic Church :P Give it up. You're not going to convince me that your Christian is better than those Catholic Christians.. they've been around for millenia and you've just got your life.
besides, if enow were to write the 5th gospel, im pretty sure it'd be the gospel according to john part 2
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outlaw_always (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 14, 2016, 10:13 p.m.
Lol.... Gospel according to Enow.
Enow don't you realize that much wiser people than yourself have put bible commentaries together?
#ThomasAquinas #Augustine
Give it up man :P Do some learnning, not lecturing.
Enow don't you realize that much wiser people than yourself have put bible commentaries together?
#ThomasAquinas #Augustine
Give it up man :P Do some learnning, not lecturing.
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Taggart (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 15, 2016, 9:20 a.m.
jeethBOSS-1 (US1) said:the division has been around since what? the 1400s-1500s? its never gonna heal. or at least not for a while.outlaw_always (US1) said:Many have fallen away... from the Catholic Church :P Give it up. You're not going to convince me that your Christian is better than those Catholic Christians.. they've been around for millenia and you've just got your life.
besides, if enow were to write the 5th gospel, im pretty sure it'd be the gospel according to john part 2
outlaw_always (US1) said:Lol.... Gospel according to Enow.
Enow don't you realize that much wiser people than yourself have put bible commentaries together?
#ThomasAquinas #Augustine
Give it up man :P Do some learnning, not lecturing.
inb4
"YOU ARE ALL HERETICS!! REPENT MOTH********S!"
Seriously though, if you came here just to preach, as a lot of other people said, go to some religious forums.
Or better yet, go to random houses and tell them about God and Jesus. Trying to get people on your own religion is much better than preaching on a gaming forum.
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Sir Wins Alot (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 15, 2016, 11:59 a.m.
I like seeing everyone express their honest opinions on here in a non-name-calling fashion. Congrats. 
This verse...passage comes to mind on this subject of preaching while on this site and how the majority feels about it.
" So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. "
Stay HOT for Jesus Enow .
Alot of people thought "John the Baptist" was completely crazy for his way of preaching and where he did it.
This verse...passage comes to mind on this subject of preaching while on this site and how the majority feels about it.
Revelation 3:16
King James Bible" So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. "
Stay HOT for Jesus Enow .
Alot of people thought "John the Baptist" was completely crazy for his way of preaching and where he did it.
John the Baptist - Profile of John the Baptist:
John the Baptist is one of the most distinctive characters in the New Testament. He had an unusual flair for fashion, wearing wild-looking clothing made of camel's hair and a leather belt around his waist. He lived in the desert wilderness, ate locust and wild honey and preached a strange message. Unlike so many people, John the Baptist knew his mission in life. He clearly understood that he had been set apart by God for a purpose.
(Steps down from the Preacher's Lectern )
WWJD ?
WWJD ?