Forum: empire-en
Board: [580] Update Questions & Feedback
Topic: [368425] Beyond the Horizon - Feedback
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Achaean (US1) [US1]
:: Dec. 7, 2019, 4:29 p.m.
My hope was for my feedback to be heard. I will leave this discussion at that and hope that it is. @Crom Cruach Please see four posts ago.
Thank you!
Thank you!
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grampydragon (US1) [US1]
:: Dec. 7, 2019, 5:24 p.m.
outers / bth are for the ruby hogs.
with no limits on what lv they can hit turns game from war game to genicode of ALL small players
the ruby hogs arent intrested in pvp or they would hit the other top players
i suggest a cap be put on lv you can hit
i suggest that attacks be abled to retreat if state gets taken while on the way as it waste HRS of time for nothing
i suggest all states regenrate not just select ones as 18-24hrs travel is not worth time
with no limits on what lv they can hit turns game from war game to genicode of ALL small players
the ruby hogs arent intrested in pvp or they would hit the other top players
i suggest a cap be put on lv you can hit
i suggest that attacks be abled to retreat if state gets taken while on the way as it waste HRS of time for nothing
i suggest all states regenrate not just select ones as 18-24hrs travel is not worth time
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Wasso (INT3) [INT3]
:: Dec. 7, 2019, 6:53 p.m.
I would really like to know HOW this is designed. The first BtH I was NOT near an area of re-spawn and it was a PAIN, while my other server WAS near a grouping and was able to get new ones with ease. The second one BOTH were far away from re-spawning City-States and was doubly a PAIN.grampydragon (US1) said:
i suggest all states regenrate not just select ones as 18-24hrs travel is not worth time
It would be nice to know where these will happen and why they don't happen everywhere...…….
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Fordy (AU1) [AU1]
:: Dec. 8, 2019, 1:03 a.m.
Thats the way it was planned from the start Crom and the first edition it did, however, I just capped one I was an hour later that the first player and the city restarted the 8 hour timer.Crom Cruach said:I understand that this is the way it will work.Fordy (AU1) said:"you can cap a city with a minute left and its over in that minute"
Information on how things run in this event is what the players need but we are not getting it, Wasso is right how do the city states reset? can we please get the right information.
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Contra (US1) [US1]
:: Dec. 8, 2019, 4:07 p.m.
The Horizon event has become real GGS gem. With less than a day and half remaining about 7900 alliances are entered.
First place is closing in a on a billion points. At less than 100,000 points you have 120th in rank.
So clever of Good Good Game Studios to come up with a such fun event everyone all over the world wants to play.
First place is closing in a on a billion points. At less than 100,000 points you have 120th in rank.
So clever of Good Good Game Studios to come up with a such fun event everyone all over the world wants to play.
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LegendaryKing73 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Dec. 8, 2019, 7:59 p.m.
There may be 7,900 alliances (though I counted just over 5.8k of alliances only just now) however, what you may have failed to realise is that only 1,000 of those alliances are guaranteed a reward. The rest who fall out of the 1,000th place don't get anything. However, you need to take into consideration that many of those 7,900 alliances also have clans i.eContra (US1) said:The Horizon event has become real GGS gem. With less than a day and half remaining about 7900 alliances are entered.
First place is closing in a on a billion points. At less than 100,000 points you have 120th in rank.
So clever of Good Good Game Studios to come up with a such fun event everyone all over the world wants to play.
RAWSIDE30_DE1#1
RAWSIDE30_DE1#2
RAWSIDE30_DE1#3
These 3 aforementioned will take up the first 3 places in a hypothetical situation, then there is:
RAWSIDE_DE1#1
RAWSIDE_DE1#2
RAWSIDE_DE1#3
So, with that being said, most of the major ruby alliances that have 65 players in each, will have at least 3 clans of 22 players each. Unlike the UK server with only 3-4 alliances with 65 players, the German server can boast a top 20 of alliances with 65 players easily. Therefore, with German all by itself, with its top 20 alliances, they can take up at least 60 of those ranking places.
So, my question is to the mods and community manager is this; is it possible that even though there maybe more than 7k of alliances, most of them are clans and thus will receive the same awards as the parent alliance in BTH? Is it possible that an alliance that finds itself in 4,000th place is in fact in around the 900th place therefore capable of receiving the rewards? Personally, it would be better to leave the clan ranking out of it, that way an alliance can see where it really is in the ranking simply by accumulating all the points won per day by all clans.
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Fordy (AU1) [AU1]
:: Dec. 8, 2019, 11:42 p.m.
The other thing to take note of is the fact there is only 8k alliances this time. The first edition there were about 15k, second time round it dropped to 11-13k alliances and now only 8k. GGE don't need any more proof the reward system is badly flawed.
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Wasso (INT3) [INT3]
:: Dec. 9, 2019, 12:19 a.m.
Each "Clan" as you put it are ranked separately in the BtH Event. That is why you see them listed as such:LegendaryKing73 (GB1) said:
However, you need to take into consideration that many of those 7,900 alliances also have clans i.e
RAWSIDE30_DE1#1
RAWSIDE30_DE1#2
RAWSIDE30_DE1#3
These 3 aforementioned will take up the first 3 places in a hypothetical situation, then there is:
RAWSIDE_DE1#1
RAWSIDE_DE1#2
RAWSIDE_DE1#3
So, with that being said, most of the major ruby alliances that have 65 players in each, will have at least 3 clans of 22 players each. Unlike the UK server with only 3-4 alliances with 65 players, the German server can boast a top 20 of alliances with 65 players easily. Therefore, with German all by itself, with its top 20 alliances, they can take up at least 60 of those ranking places.
So, my question is to the mods and community manager is this; is it possible that even though there maybe more than 7k of alliances, most of them are clans and thus will receive the same awards as the parent alliance in BTH? Is it possible that an alliance that finds itself in 4,000th place is in fact in around the 900th place therefore capable of receiving the rewards? Personally, it would be better to leave the clan ranking out of it, that way an alliance can see where it really is in the ranking simply by accumulating all the points won per day by all clans.
IF the event were to end as shown above, the 22 people in RAWSIDE 30_DE1 would receive the rank 3 rewards, and the 22 people in RAWSIDE 30_DE1#1 would receive the level 4 rewards.
Unfortunately, those in 4,000th place are really in 4,000th place.
The point you are making is that those 65 person alliances ARE taking 3 spots out of the 1,000 places that can receive rewards. WORSE, that ONE alliance is in line to take 2 of the 5 spots that get the Relic Bakery and Storehouse.
However, they are doing nothing wrong. In fact, they are doing exactly what GGS hoped would happen. The BIG spenders are spending even MORE because they are split up between groups. 3 groups spending $500 each is MUCH better for GGS than one alliance spending $1,000.
What WOULD be nice, is if they extended the rewards group and evened out the amount of the rewards.
But, that wouldn't "entice" the spenders as much. The ability to BUY your way into that exclusive of a club, is what it is really all about...……..
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dliu3 (US1) [US1]
:: Dec. 9, 2019, 12:57 a.m.
Same problems though.Muffins 2.0 (ASIA1) said:Why make the event globally. Just make it for every server. Cuz the top x prizes are not enough lol
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Philt123 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Dec. 9, 2019, 9:13 a.m.
Just to add into the mix..... There are Alliances out there selling points, ie pay me X Euros and I will let you hit me for X million Influence points. I am not talking small alliances either as they are offering BIG points.
In many ways not a bad idea let one alliance do all the heavy lifting buy the points for a fraction of the price it would cost you to compete legitimatly, buying stuff from GGE.
Especially when you consider that the teams doing it could still maintain their positions even selling millions of points off to the highest bidders!
What it does is though is shaft all those teams trying to compete properly as teams jump into the top 10 for doing very little.
But when you set up a competition with a prize pool as distorted as GGE have made this one honestly what do you expect.
Genius GGE just genius. I hope you are very proud.
And before you trot out its against TOS, yes so is lots of things but you have failed to address those too. Unfortunatly these are the things that happen when your only objective is to grab ans much money as possible and to do so you are prepared to sacrifice everything else, fairness, equality, ethics to name just a few.
In many ways not a bad idea let one alliance do all the heavy lifting buy the points for a fraction of the price it would cost you to compete legitimatly, buying stuff from GGE.
Especially when you consider that the teams doing it could still maintain their positions even selling millions of points off to the highest bidders!
What it does is though is shaft all those teams trying to compete properly as teams jump into the top 10 for doing very little.
But when you set up a competition with a prize pool as distorted as GGE have made this one honestly what do you expect.
Genius GGE just genius. I hope you are very proud.
And before you trot out its against TOS, yes so is lots of things but you have failed to address those too. Unfortunatly these are the things that happen when your only objective is to grab ans much money as possible and to do so you are prepared to sacrifice everything else, fairness, equality, ethics to name just a few.
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Philt123 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Dec. 9, 2019, 10:19 p.m.
and there we have it i guess they found a buyer!! and were catapulted into 2nd and 3rd place PMSL.
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MUSHY (AU1) [AU1]
:: Dec. 9, 2019, 10:47 p.m.
How are we meant to get anywhere as an alliance there when alot freeplay and see it as pointless because they don't have the rubies to spend leaving it up to just a few who put in 400% just to get bloody nothing or scrape in the bottom reward? I loved this event but its just turned into alot of work
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LegendaryKing73 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Dec. 10, 2019, 3:14 a.m.
You're not talking about Beyond the Horizon, that is for sure so, this is clearly off-topic.Philt123 (GB1) said:and there we have it i guess they found a buyer!! and were catapulted into 2nd and 3rd place PMSL.
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Philt123 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Dec. 10, 2019, 9:40 a.m.
I guess you didnt see it then.
I did start to post up a very full explanation of exactly how the scam was done but obviously it wasnt as obvious as i had thought so i will just mail support for what good that will do, but lets just say that after the first team did it (top2 team!) lots of other teams noticed, and the last few hours were FULL of people manipulating their scores!
So whilst it may have been fairly low key this time around I can pretty much guarantee that if nothing changes in the next event it will be very very common practice as you know how these things spread.
I did start to post up a very full explanation of exactly how the scam was done but obviously it wasnt as obvious as i had thought so i will just mail support for what good that will do, but lets just say that after the first team did it (top2 team!) lots of other teams noticed, and the last few hours were FULL of people manipulating their scores!
So whilst it may have been fairly low key this time around I can pretty much guarantee that if nothing changes in the next event it will be very very common practice as you know how these things spread.
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KKP2112 (AU1) [AU1]
:: Dec. 10, 2019, 3:35 p.m.
Still no rewards and he left over rubies not in my account.
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Wasso (INT3) [INT3]
:: Dec. 11, 2019, 5 a.m.
They REALLY need to post the final standings. BEST in game, but at least on the Forum.
They WON'T of course, as it will lead to too many questions that they can not / will not answer.
For example, my alternate account COULD have made top 1,000. It was in ~1100th place at the end. AND had a City State that had collected after the final transfer resulting in 100,000 personal influence. This should have resulted in 100,000 influence added into the Alliance total to have a FINAL total of around 150,000. So, was that enough to get top 1000??? No one knows........
They WON'T of course, as it will lead to too many questions that they can not / will not answer.
For example, my alternate account COULD have made top 1,000. It was in ~1100th place at the end. AND had a City State that had collected after the final transfer resulting in 100,000 personal influence. This should have resulted in 100,000 influence added into the Alliance total to have a FINAL total of around 150,000. So, was that enough to get top 1000??? No one knows........
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Osiris (GB1) [GB1]
:: Dec. 11, 2019, 11:39 a.m.
Schrodinger's Cat!
Were the extra influence points people got added or weren't they? You will never know!
Were the extra influence points people got added or weren't they? You will never know!
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LegendaryKing73 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Dec. 11, 2019, 8:59 p.m.
Not so sure that the Schrodingers cat analogy is relevant to what you posted. The analogy of Schrodingers cat implies that the cat is in a state of being both dead/alive at the same time, and implies that we will know when we open the box. However, with regards to BTH, you are slightly correct about not knowing but then we will never know because GGE will definitely not give the results.Osiris (GB1) said:Schrodinger's Cat!
Were the extra influence points people got added or weren't they? You will never know!
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LegendaryKing73 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Dec. 11, 2019, 9:03 p.m.
Sorry, I thought you was referring to the Samurai tournament Phil, in that case, I do apologise. As it stands, I looked at the rankings and saw my old alliance (Insomniak) in the top 15, and also Parabellum (my other old French alliance) there too. Within the first few days, it was an Egyptian alliance that was top, then Rawside then that Polish alliance who is always in and around the top 5 for outers (especially the might points version.) It is possible that the Egyptian alliance was actually an alliance of players from the Dubai/Emirates and other rich oil countries from the Arabian peninsula. Again, I apologise for the misunderstanding.Philt123 (GB1) said:I guess you didnt see it then.
I did start to post up a very full explanation of exactly how the scam was done but obviously it wasnt as obvious as i had thought so i will just mail support for what good that will do, but lets just say that after the first team did it (top2 team!) lots of other teams noticed, and the last few hours were FULL of people manipulating their scores!
So whilst it may have been fairly low key this time around I can pretty much guarantee that if nothing changes in the next event it will be very very common practice as you know how these things spread.
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grampydragon (US1) [US1]
:: Dec. 12, 2019, 8:27 p.m.
its common sense gge is a german company so everything in outers/horizons goes to the german servWasso (INT3) said:Each "Clan" as you put it are ranked separately in the BtH Event. That is why you see them listed as such:LegendaryKing73 (GB1) said:
However, you need to take into consideration that many of those 7,900 alliances also have clans i.e
RAWSIDE30_DE1#1
RAWSIDE30_DE1#2
RAWSIDE30_DE1#3
These 3 aforementioned will take up the first 3 places in a hypothetical situation, then there is:
RAWSIDE_DE1#1
RAWSIDE_DE1#2
RAWSIDE_DE1#3
So, with that being said, most of the major ruby alliances that have 65 players in each, will have at least 3 clans of 22 players each. Unlike the UK server with only 3-4 alliances with 65 players, the German server can boast a top 20 of alliances with 65 players easily. Therefore, with German all by itself, with its top 20 alliances, they can take up at least 60 of those ranking places.
So, my question is to the mods and community manager is this; is it possible that even though there maybe more than 7k of alliances, most of them are clans and thus will receive the same awards as the parent alliance in BTH? Is it possible that an alliance that finds itself in 4,000th place is in fact in around the 900th place therefore capable of receiving the rewards? Personally, it would be better to leave the clan ranking out of it, that way an alliance can see where it really is in the ranking simply by accumulating all the points won per day by all clans.
IF the event were to end as shown above, the 22 people in RAWSIDE 30_DE1 would receive the rank 3 rewards, and the 22 people in RAWSIDE 30_DE1#1 would receive the level 4 rewards.
Unfortunately, those in 4,000th place are really in 4,000th place.
The point you are making is that those 65 person alliances ARE taking 3 spots out of the 1,000 places that can receive rewards. WORSE, that ONE alliance is in line to take 2 of the 5 spots that get the Relic Bakery and Storehouse.
However, they are doing nothing wrong. In fact, they are doing exactly what GGS hoped would happen. The BIG spenders are spending even MORE because they are split up between groups. 3 groups spending $500 each is MUCH better for GGS than one alliance spending $1,000.
What WOULD be nice, is if they extended the rewards group and evened out the amount of the rewards.
But, that wouldn't "entice" the spenders as much. The ability to BUY your way into that exclusive of a club, is what it is really all about...……..
try haveing just the 6500 rubie package and forget about the rest then its a chalange for everyone
buying the top spots is not a chalange