Forum: empire-en
Board: [584] Players ask Players
Topic: [352114] Why is this game still alive?
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Shafaet (INT1) [None]
:: May 11, 2018, 10:46 a.m.
Why, After all the unethical things GGS has done, is this game still being played?
After having robbed Thousands, if not millions of rubies from those who invested it into the gems, after the inflation of all Ruby buildings, after removing all forms of complexity in the game to the point where removal of attacking Outposts is left (which might actually happen considering the direction this game has been going) and after having pretty much, completely remove PvP from the game, why do people still bother playing this game? I'd like to know an honest opinion from those of you who still enjoy playing this game.
Regards,
Shafaet.
After having robbed Thousands, if not millions of rubies from those who invested it into the gems, after the inflation of all Ruby buildings, after removing all forms of complexity in the game to the point where removal of attacking Outposts is left (which might actually happen considering the direction this game has been going) and after having pretty much, completely remove PvP from the game, why do people still bother playing this game? I'd like to know an honest opinion from those of you who still enjoy playing this game.
Regards,
Shafaet.
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John OGroat (GB1) [GB1]
:: May 11, 2018, 10:51 a.m.
Very good question !!
Speaking for myself, it's the fact that we have put so much into it, we don't want/can't just abandon it. Plus we've made some good friends, and still enjoy the social aspect to the game. The mechanics of the game however are just pure tedium, so it's purely logging on to feed men.
Speaking for myself, it's the fact that we have put so much into it, we don't want/can't just abandon it. Plus we've made some good friends, and still enjoy the social aspect to the game. The mechanics of the game however are just pure tedium, so it's purely logging on to feed men.
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Shafaet (INT1) [None]
:: May 11, 2018, 11:41 a.m.
Interesting, basically it's pretty much a matter of not losing all that you've worked up for all these years through time and effort. I've personally played this game, for over 4 years, just logging back in and out getting multiple accounts to lvl 70, to the point where I just had enough of GGS's BS, at least a good thing now is that we've got good moderators who at least try to communicate with the players and take their suggestions to forward it to to the devs, unlike before when they didn't give a Dime about out opinion, perhaps the huge loss of playerbase and income in the recent years made them realize a bit of their mistakes, and perhaps they'll stop robbing players for good, but only time will tell.John OGroat (GB1) said:Very good question !!
Speaking for myself, it's the fact that we have put so much into it, we don't want/can't just abandon it. Plus we've made some good friends, and still enjoy the social aspect to the game. The mechanics of the game however are just pure tedium, so it's purely logging on to feed men.
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hge (US1) [None]
:: May 11, 2018, 8:54 p.m.
Please tell me you didn't just admit to multiaccounting?Shafaet (INT1) said:Interesting, basically it's pretty much a matter of not losing all that you've worked up for all these years through time and effort. I've personally played this game, for over 4 years, just logging back in and out getting multiple accounts to lvl 70, to the point where I just had enough of GGS's BS, at least a good thing now is that we've got good moderators who at least try to communicate with the players and take their suggestions to forward it to to the devs, unlike before when they didn't give a Dime about out opinion, perhaps the huge loss of playerbase and income in the recent years made them realize a bit of their mistakes, and perhaps they'll stop robbing players for good, but only time will tell.John OGroat (GB1) said:Very good question !!
Speaking for myself, it's the fact that we have put so much into it, we don't want/can't just abandon it. Plus we've made some good friends, and still enjoy the social aspect to the game. The mechanics of the game however are just pure tedium, so it's purely logging on to feed men.
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HawkEye. (US1) [None]
:: May 11, 2018, 9:58 p.m.
He probably means quiting and then coming back to lvl 70.hge (US1) said:Please tell me you didn't just admit to multiaccounting?Shafaet (INT1) said:Interesting, basically it's pretty much a matter of not losing all that you've worked up for all these years through time and effort. I've personally played this game, for over 4 years, just logging back in and out getting multiple accounts to lvl 70, to the point where I just had enough of GGS's BS, at least a good thing now is that we've got good moderators who at least try to communicate with the players and take their suggestions to forward it to to the devs, unlike before when they didn't give a Dime about out opinion, perhaps the huge loss of playerbase and income in the recent years made them realize a bit of their mistakes, and perhaps they'll stop robbing players for good, but only time will tell.John OGroat (GB1) said:Very good question !!
Speaking for myself, it's the fact that we have put so much into it, we don't want/can't just abandon it. Plus we've made some good friends, and still enjoy the social aspect to the game. The mechanics of the game however are just pure tedium, so it's purely logging on to feed men.
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hge (US1) [None]
:: May 12, 2018, 1:55 a.m.
I darn sure hope so.HawkEye. (US1) said:He probably means quiting and then coming back to lvl 70.hge (US1) said:Please tell me you didn't just admit to multiaccounting?Shafaet (INT1) said:Interesting, basically it's pretty much a matter of not losing all that you've worked up for all these years through time and effort. I've personally played this game, for over 4 years, just logging back in and out getting multiple accounts to lvl 70, to the point where I just had enough of GGS's BS, at least a good thing now is that we've got good moderators who at least try to communicate with the players and take their suggestions to forward it to to the devs, unlike before when they didn't give a Dime about out opinion, perhaps the huge loss of playerbase and income in the recent years made them realize a bit of their mistakes, and perhaps they'll stop robbing players for good, but only time will tell.John OGroat (GB1) said:Very good question !!
Speaking for myself, it's the fact that we have put so much into it, we don't want/can't just abandon it. Plus we've made some good friends, and still enjoy the social aspect to the game. The mechanics of the game however are just pure tedium, so it's purely logging on to feed men.
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Venom (ASIA1) [ASIA1]
:: May 12, 2018, 2:45 a.m.
Well he doesn't play anymore (I think) so doesn't really matter.hge (US1) said:I darn sure hope so.HawkEye. (US1) said:He probably means quiting and then coming back to lvl 70.hge (US1) said:Please tell me you didn't just admit to multiaccounting?Shafaet (INT1) said:Interesting, basically it's pretty much a matter of not losing all that you've worked up for all these years through time and effort. I've personally played this game, for over 4 years, just logging back in and out getting multiple accounts to lvl 70, to the point where I just had enough of GGS's BS, at least a good thing now is that we've got good moderators who at least try to communicate with the players and take their suggestions to forward it to to the devs, unlike before when they didn't give a Dime about out opinion, perhaps the huge loss of playerbase and income in the recent years made them realize a bit of their mistakes, and perhaps they'll stop robbing players for good, but only time will tell.John OGroat (GB1) said:Very good question !!
Speaking for myself, it's the fact that we have put so much into it, we don't want/can't just abandon it. Plus we've made some good friends, and still enjoy the social aspect to the game. The mechanics of the game however are just pure tedium, so it's purely logging on to feed men.
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fujiwara (GB1) [GB1]
:: May 12, 2018, 4:25 p.m.
Yeah, part of it is no doubt a sunk cost fallacy issue. But also, as with all things in life, you get what you make out of it. I am still actually genuinely enjoying myself. Interesting people, just recently made a new PvP-focused alliance which has had a bunch of amusing wars - there's always something you can do to make the game enjoyable, just need to have a positive outlook.
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Shafaet (INT1) [None]
:: May 12, 2018, 6:45 p.m.
No I meant to say that I've gotten multiple accounts taken straight from the beginning to lvl 70 after having lost it several times due to quitting and then coming back, Multi-accounting has been, and I'm very sure is still an issue among the top players of the game, where an alliance knows the password of all players so that they can log-in and setup defenses/attacks if that player is inactive, I've been a part of many Top 5 alliances and they've all had control of multiple accounts to some degree.hge (US1) said:Please tell me you didn't just admit to multiaccounting?Shafaet (INT1) said:Interesting, basically it's pretty much a matter of not losing all that you've worked up for all these years through time and effort. I've personally played this game, for over 4 years, just logging back in and out getting multiple accounts to lvl 70, to the point where I just had enough of GGS's BS, at least a good thing now is that we've got good moderators who at least try to communicate with the players and take their suggestions to forward it to to the devs, unlike before when they didn't give a Dime about out opinion, perhaps the huge loss of playerbase and income in the recent years made them realize a bit of their mistakes, and perhaps they'll stop robbing players for good, but only time will tell.John OGroat (GB1) said:Very good question !!
Speaking for myself, it's the fact that we have put so much into it, we don't want/can't just abandon it. Plus we've made some good friends, and still enjoy the social aspect to the game. The mechanics of the game however are just pure tedium, so it's purely logging on to feed men.
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Shafaet (INT1) [None]
:: May 12, 2018, 6:56 p.m.
But I guess the biggest issue with PvP is just how unrewarding it is, what's the point of draining thousands, if not millions of troops in wars when you can get more glory from attacking the foreign castles? along with much better loot through hording NPC's and completing the seasonal events? I remember when we had Nomads or Foreign castles once a month, and the game was doing just fine with that. GGS thinks that spamming these npc's with top-notch gear every season is the way to go to grab the player's interest, instead they're just making the core fundamental of the game more useless every time they bring in some new event.fujiwara (GB1) said:Yeah, part of it is no doubt a sunk cost fallacy issue. But also, as with all things in life, you get what you make out of it. I am still actually genuinely enjoying myself. Interesting people, just recently made a new PvP-focused alliance which has had a bunch of amusing wars - there's always something you can do to make the game enjoyable, just need to have a positive outlook.
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LegendaryKing73 (GB1) [GB1]
:: May 12, 2018, 8:23 p.m.
Without showing any bias, but I do agree with fuji on this one and we have discussed thoroughly on the chat. The bottom line is this; GGE found a simple way of getting players to pay for rubies instead of shoving super prime times once a month. The carrot at the end of the day, is the winners prize and to get that winners prize (the shiny carrot) you will do what you can to get it, even if it means spending not hundreds, but thousands of pounds/dollars to get it.
We have all accepted that this is the problem and it is not the fault of GGE, but those who are willing to pay. With more and more events being shoved under our noses, the ruby whales are spending more and more to be number 1. What does this do? Well, they are willing not only to break the bank, but they are also willing to break records to make sure they are number 1. 65 member alliances have nearly 350 millio glory in a 3 day tournament. That was unheard of a few years ago. However, with the string of eye-catching prizes to be one, they are willing to pay to win. Yes, people moan about targets that are too far out of reach. However, we have to answer the question, are they really out of reach?
To a certain extent, records have been broken over the last couple of years from might points, to glory points, beri gallantry points, number of nomad tokens/samurai tokens. So, why do they keep on raising the bar to impossible levels? Well, simple really, ruby whales are not only capable of reaching these targets, but also going past with ease. Which means that GGE hae to make targets much more difficult to obtain and this penalises those who just want to play the game and do a few events.
Furthermore, and one last point I will make is that PvP is more interesting than you realise. There is not only interaction between you and your alliance members, but also with the warring factions. It is great for social communication whereas the nomads/sams/FI and crows are all individual-based events. Another thing about the rewards as far as PvP is concerned, the glory titles above King are really not worth the effort. Why? Playing 5 years ago, you spilled blood, you sweated and cried a few tears, but in the end, you managed to get to the rank of Duke (example) whereas you can hit an average FI/crow, with a few horsetails and get that without breaking a sweat. There is no challenge. Speaking to fuji this evening, the best way forward for GGE is to make FI/Crows realistic i.e. make them as difficult as Khan camps i.e. a real attack for a level 70 with shields, 90/90 comm, not 1k of defenders coming at you with knives and forks. There was more satisfaction to getting to King through PvP than today. I am "the vengeful", and it is worth about as much as Count Palatine in the old days.
Long live PvP!!!!
We have all accepted that this is the problem and it is not the fault of GGE, but those who are willing to pay. With more and more events being shoved under our noses, the ruby whales are spending more and more to be number 1. What does this do? Well, they are willing not only to break the bank, but they are also willing to break records to make sure they are number 1. 65 member alliances have nearly 350 millio glory in a 3 day tournament. That was unheard of a few years ago. However, with the string of eye-catching prizes to be one, they are willing to pay to win. Yes, people moan about targets that are too far out of reach. However, we have to answer the question, are they really out of reach?
To a certain extent, records have been broken over the last couple of years from might points, to glory points, beri gallantry points, number of nomad tokens/samurai tokens. So, why do they keep on raising the bar to impossible levels? Well, simple really, ruby whales are not only capable of reaching these targets, but also going past with ease. Which means that GGE hae to make targets much more difficult to obtain and this penalises those who just want to play the game and do a few events.
Furthermore, and one last point I will make is that PvP is more interesting than you realise. There is not only interaction between you and your alliance members, but also with the warring factions. It is great for social communication whereas the nomads/sams/FI and crows are all individual-based events. Another thing about the rewards as far as PvP is concerned, the glory titles above King are really not worth the effort. Why? Playing 5 years ago, you spilled blood, you sweated and cried a few tears, but in the end, you managed to get to the rank of Duke (example) whereas you can hit an average FI/crow, with a few horsetails and get that without breaking a sweat. There is no challenge. Speaking to fuji this evening, the best way forward for GGE is to make FI/Crows realistic i.e. make them as difficult as Khan camps i.e. a real attack for a level 70 with shields, 90/90 comm, not 1k of defenders coming at you with knives and forks. There was more satisfaction to getting to King through PvP than today. I am "the vengeful", and it is worth about as much as Count Palatine in the old days.
Long live PvP!!!!
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Friedrich IV (US1) [None]
:: May 12, 2018, 8:31 p.m.
We the players have been asking ourselves this for years.Shafaet (INT1) said:Why is this game still being played?
And then we keep playing.
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LegendaryKing73 (GB1) [GB1]
:: May 12, 2018, 8:36 p.m.
Yes, we do. Having played this game on and off since 2012 (level 70 on the French server) I can attest to this. It is a game that not only rewards those who play, but it is great for the mental stimulation. Gone are the days when old people used to play dominoes in the bar with their friends. Now, they just send a 6-waver without even having to calculate how many troops to put in.BM_Friedrich said:We the players have been asking ourselves this for years.Shafaet (INT1) said:Why is this game still being played?
And then we keep playing.
You still with KoN @[email protected]_Friedrich?
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Friedrich IV (US1) [None]
:: May 12, 2018, 8:39 p.m.
Yes I'm still with KONLegendaryKing73 (GB1) said:Yes, we do. Having played this game on and off since 2012 (level 70 on the French server) I can attest to this. It is a game that not only rewards those who play, but it is great for the mental stimulation. Gone are the days when old people used to play dominoes in the bar with their friends. Now, they just send a 6-waver without even having to calculate how many troops to put in.BM_Friedrich said:We the players have been asking ourselves this for years.Shafaet (INT1) said:Why is this game still being played?
And then we keep playing.
You still with KoN @[email protected]_Friedrich?
I've been playing since late 2011 I believe
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LegendaryKing73 (GB1) [GB1]
:: May 12, 2018, 8:40 p.m.
Off-topic, I saw wild Bill with a strange looking coat of arms "46% glory bonus", is that a new coat of arms icon?BM_Friedrich said:Yes I'm still with KONLegendaryKing73 (GB1) said:Yes, we do. Having played this game on and off since 2012 (level 70 on the French server) I can attest to this. It is a game that not only rewards those who play, but it is great for the mental stimulation. Gone are the days when old people used to play dominoes in the bar with their friends. Now, they just send a 6-waver without even having to calculate how many troops to put in.BM_Friedrich said:We the players have been asking ourselves this for years.Shafaet (INT1) said:Why is this game still being played?
And then we keep playing.
You still with KoN @[email protected]_Friedrich?
I've been playing since late 2011 I believe
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Friedrich IV (US1) [None]
:: May 12, 2018, 8:46 p.m.
It's one of the last couple CoA's I believeLegendaryKing73 (GB1) said:Off-topic, I saw wild Bill with a strange looking coat of arms "46% glory bonus", is that a new coat of arms icon?BM_Friedrich said:Yes I'm still with KONLegendaryKing73 (GB1) said:Yes, we do. Having played this game on and off since 2012 (level 70 on the French server) I can attest to this. It is a game that not only rewards those who play, but it is great for the mental stimulation. Gone are the days when old people used to play dominoes in the bar with their friends. Now, they just send a 6-waver without even having to calculate how many troops to put in.BM_Friedrich said:We the players have been asking ourselves this for years.Shafaet (INT1) said:Why is this game still being played?
And then we keep playing.
You still with KoN @[email protected]_Friedrich?
I've been playing since late 2011 I believe
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LegendaryKing73 (GB1) [GB1]
:: May 12, 2018, 8:48 p.m.
Thankyou BM.
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overlord90098 (GB1) [GB1]
:: May 12, 2018, 8:49 p.m.
Think the problem is that GGE don't want to curb the amount of revenue they can get so instead of putting PVP which doesn't make them much money they just spam out loads of PVE events then way more money as if GGE had say a limit to how much someone could spend they would lose a lot of money even if it was at say £10k.
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LegendaryKing73 (GB1) [GB1]
:: May 12, 2018, 9:17 p.m.
I hear what you are saying overlord, however, players complain about the targets being unobtainable, however, ruby whales have shown, over and over again that with a bit of money, they can reach that goal and create a further record. Records are being broken on every single server. fyd69 took a capital all by himself on the French server in 30 minutes (he is a massive ruby whale), how about the guy on the Turkish server at the moment who has nearly 10k of seasonal points, these guys are pushing the bar too high and as a consequence, normal, day to day players cannot get a look in for the rewards because the bar has been set too high. Before you know it, GGE will have to set the bar even higher because records will continue to be broken, whether we like it or not. So, what you have to ask yourself is,is it really the fault of the devs, or is it really the fault of the high rollers? I don't blame GGE, I blame those who push the bar too high for us to reach.overlord90098 (GB1) said:Think the problem is that GGE don't want to curb the amount of revenue they can get so instead of putting PVP which doesn't make them much money they just spam out loads of PVE events then way more money as if GGE had say a limit to how much someone could spend they would lose a lot of money even if it was at say £10k.
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overlord90098 (GB1) [GB1]
:: May 12, 2018, 10:15 p.m.
I blame both really GGE should have never let ruby whales rule all servers.LegendaryKing73 (GB1) said:I hear what you are saying overlord, however, players complain about the targets being unobtainable, however, ruby whales have shown, over and over again that with a bit of money, they can reach that goal and create a further record. Records are being broken on every single server. fyd69 took a capital all by himself on the French server in 30 minutes (he is a massive ruby whale), how about the guy on the Turkish server at the moment who has nearly 10k of seasonal points, these guys are pushing the bar too high and as a consequence, normal, day to day players cannot get a look in for the rewards because the bar has been set too high. Before you know it, GGE will have to set the bar even higher because records will continue to be broken, whether we like it or not. So, what you have to ask yourself is,is it really the fault of the devs, or is it really the fault of the high rollers? I don't blame GGE, I blame those who push the bar too high for us to reach.overlord90098 (GB1) said:Think the problem is that GGE don't want to curb the amount of revenue they can get so instead of putting PVP which doesn't make them much money they just spam out loads of PVE events then way more money as if GGE had say a limit to how much someone could spend they would lose a lot of money even if it was at say £10k.