Forum: empire-en
Board: [584] Players ask Players
Topic: [76454] Defense, 1000+ vers 800 lost???
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NicKor [None]
:: Sept. 1, 2012, 6:13 a.m.
Defense, 1000+ vers 800 lost???
so i was the defender. i had alot of support anyway why did i lose??? most of the troops were helbr and longbowman. and i had 40+ stone throwing on each side/middle and 40+ gate reinforcements ALL SLOTS FULL. i didnt take a pic of his attaking troops but i remember the new merauders, vets,and i think some traveling nights.
so i was the defender. i had alot of support anyway why did i lose??? most of the troops were helbr and longbowman. and i had 40+ stone throwing on each side/middle and 40+ gate reinforcements ALL SLOTS FULL. i didnt take a pic of his attaking troops but i remember the new merauders, vets,and i think some traveling nights.
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xJadetsssx [None]
:: Sept. 1, 2012, 6:31 a.m.
It makes sense, he won all the sides, and got a +30% of power in the keep
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NicKor [None]
:: Sept. 1, 2012, 6:32 a.m.
so whats the best defence setup? is 40,20,40 the way i had it good? or whats better?
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xJadetsssx [None]
:: Sept. 1, 2012, 6:34 a.m.
Depends of the attack, with that amount of attackers you should have do a 0-0-100% or something like that
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NicKor [None]
:: Sept. 1, 2012, 6:38 a.m.
whoh ok ok. its a lesson HARD earned LOL!! LOL!!! LOOOLLLL!!!! if i beet one side i could have had alot more chance winning the keep battle! XDXDXD T_T time to recruit soldiers im not a prince fo nothing! xD
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Baldrick (GB1) [None]
:: Sept. 1, 2012, 8:20 a.m.
I don't think any setup would have helped you here Nickor. It looks to me like this is a fairly weak outpost. You just didn't have the numbers on the walls. My advice is to get the walls full sized and concentrate on getting walls/towers and gate up to full spec.
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xJadetsssx [None]
:: Sept. 1, 2012, 8:25 a.m.
I don't think any setup would have helped you here Nickor. It looks to me like this is a fairly weak outpost. You just didn't have the numbers on the walls. My advice is to get the walls full sized and concentrate on getting walls/towers and gate up to full spec.
a 100% on a single flank could help him kill more attackers anyway
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FriedrichEngels (DE1) [None]
:: Sept. 1, 2012, 11:36 a.m.
It doesn't matter if its 40+ stone-throwings or only 12 on each side, as long as you apply them correctly. You can only use one per slot per wave.
Tools could have made a difference, probably. Looks like your stone defense was cancelled out. 19 tools... if at least 14 of them were ladders, or 9 of them were siege towers your wall defense is 0%. Try to use those tools that your attacker has the least (or weakest) counter-tools for, if you see them coming.
Tools could have made a difference, probably. Looks like your stone defense was cancelled out. 19 tools... if at least 14 of them were ladders, or 9 of them were siege towers your wall defense is 0%. Try to use those tools that your attacker has the least (or weakest) counter-tools for, if you see them coming.
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FriedrichEngels (DE1) [None]
:: Sept. 1, 2012, 12:02 p.m.
I don't think any setup would have helped you here Nickor. It looks to me like this is a fairly weak outpost. You just didn't have the numbers on the walls. My advice is to get the walls full sized and concentrate on getting walls/towers and gate up to full spec.
193 soldiers... I dont think 7 more would have saved him. There were 4 waves of attack. Hard to defend without ruby tools. Best option would probably have been 0-0-100 and ruby defense tools... or support veteran defenders and armourer's tools, but I guess that's unrealistic.
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LordVako [None]
:: Sept. 1, 2012, 12:23 p.m.
why are you double threading (the same thread has been started by you at 05:06 Today)...
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BobFighter834 (INT2) [None]
:: Sept. 1, 2012, 3:09 p.m.
Defense, 1000+ vers 800 lost???
so i was the defender. i had alot of support anyway why did i lose??? most of the troops were helbr and longbowman. and i had 40+ stone throwing on each side/middle and 40+ gate reinforcements ALL SLOTS FULL. i didnt take a pic of his attaking troops but i remember the new merauders, vets,and i think some traveling nights.
You could have used 50-0-50 and at least won on the flanks in the first wave. However, I think 80-0-20 or even 100-0-0 would have worked even better. With a 0% bonus in the keep, I think you might have won.
Veterans - they are a bit better than normal troops. This didn't really explain why you lost more than they did on the flanks.
Travelling knights would explain this. They are quite powerful.
Marauders are a bit stronger than 2HS. I think they were sent in just to carry the loot back home in the second wave.
It looks like he/she cancelled out all of your bonuses. Maybe some last minute removing and replacing would have helped. For instance, if you used stone-throwing and they used scaling ladders, you should have changed the tools to flaming arrows. You would have lost the wall bonus anyway, so why not get some ranged bonus instead of wasting those tools. Of course, this doesn't apply if you were offline during the attack, but it sounds like you were online to get support and alter your defence setup.
Anyway, it looks like you got a lot of glory, so the battle wasn't a total waste.
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julio valero (INT1) [None]
:: Sept. 1, 2012, 3:17 p.m.
why the server take out the little insect red tha we use to send ours opinions now how i can send messeges to the server?
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BobFighter834 (INT2) [None]
:: Sept. 1, 2012, 3:30 p.m.
julio valero wrote: »why the server take out the little insect red tha we use to send ours opinions now how i can send messeges to the server?
Please do not go off-topic. I do not know why the feedback button was removed but I'm sure someone will answer if you ask using correct English on a new thread .
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LOL LOL2 [None]
:: Sept. 1, 2012, 4:22 p.m.
yeah he gained a 30% bonus so thats why you lost the battle, your defense formation settings werent the best of choice for this battle.
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AgentY [None]
:: Sept. 2, 2012, 6:14 a.m.
100-0-0 is the best defense. That ensures 0% attack bonus in the keep (which is quite a lot) and there are less soldiers and tools you could put on a flank. IN that battle, you would've gotten about 200 defense against 160 in your left flank. You would've won in the next wave of attack in the battle as well. A level 56 hit me today. With that defense, i killed 180 out of 220 of his troops. Just a tip to people in who have level 3 barracks- use archers with a bunch of flaming arrows.
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King Tobi [None]
:: Sept. 2, 2012, 4:03 p.m.
Well 100-0-0 isnt always the best for me it is 50-0-50 so you win the walls and then have enough to fight for the keep well for me it isnt about the number its the attack or defence power add both up. If you have 300+ more then you have 85% chance of winning100-0-0 is the best defense. That ensures 0% attack bonus in the keep (which is quite a lot) and there are less soldiers and tools you could put on a flank. IN that battle, you would've gotten about 200 defense against 160 in your left flank. You would've won in the next wave of attack in the battle as well. A level 56 hit me today. With that defense, i killed 180 out of 220 of his troops. Just a tip to people in who have level 3 barracks- use archers with a bunch of flaming arrows.
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Unknown
:: Sept. 2, 2012, 7:46 p.m.
50-0-50 or 100-0-0 all depends on attackers tools and your own.
Defending with only 3 tools will not help you win though, tool up.
Defending with only 3 tools will not help you win though, tool up.
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Eric768 (US1) [US1]
:: Sept. 2, 2012, 7:56 p.m.
Trust me that 100% set up works when you have less than 100 defenders then the person attacking. I had an incoming attack of over 400 adn only have 325 in troops, I set up 100% in the middle, I killed his 200 coming down the middle and lost only 86 of my defenders. Then in the fight for the keep I killed all his attackers while losing less than half of my force due to the 30% bonus. It is only appropriate in some cases though, but when it is used correctley, the benefits are enormous.Depends of the attack, with that amount of attackers you should have do a 0-0-100% or something like that
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MaJeStiic [None]
:: Sept. 3, 2012, 6:36 a.m.
The key is to make sure you win at least 1 flank. Doesn't matter if you do 100%-0%-0% or 50%-0%-50% or any other combination. Just gotta win at least one. And then sheer numbers will beat him in the courtyard. If you have less defenders than he has attackers, you will need to beat him on at least 2 flanks to win so you get the 30% courtyard advantage. That's where you do 50-0-50. Here with your lack of tools you should have done 100-0-0.
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Baldrick (GB1) [None]
:: Sept. 3, 2012, 6:45 a.m.
Starting Line wrote: »193 soldiers... I dont think 7 more would have saved him. There were 4 waves of attack. Hard to defend without ruby tools. Best option would probably have been 0-0-100 and ruby defense tools... or support veteran defenders and armourer's tools, but I guess that's unrealistic.
Ok, I may be slightly confused here, but the overview shows that many troops (193) in total and the second wave of attacks shows no defenders on the walls at all.
Either I'm being really stupid as I haven't had my coffee yet or there's something a wrong with this report.