Forum: empire-en
Board: [584] Players ask Players
Topic: [77503] What is best beginner-level defense strategy?
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Polemos [None]
:: Sept. 24, 2012, 12:32 p.m.
I'm a strategy game vet - noob to this world. Sitting at Level 15 and just about to come out of my initial Peace period and want to get some opinions on the best strategy to defend my castle as I become vulnerable to attack now. All I have access to at this point is archers (and beginner spearmen of course). I'm planning on massing archers & wall tools but also need to balance that with limited food for supporting offensive army.
Open to idea!
Open to idea!
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Conqueror9 [None]
:: Sept. 24, 2012, 2:12 p.m.
I'm a strategy game vet - noob to this world. Sitting at Level 15 and just about to come out of my initial Peace period and want to get some opinions on the best strategy to defend my castle as I become vulnerable to attack now. All I have access to at this point is archers (and beginner spearmen of course). I'm planning on massing archers & wall tools but also need to balance that with limited food for supporting offensive army.
Open to idea!
1. continue to build up to level 19
cap 2 outpost, 1 is extense wood (like 8 wood 2 food ) and other is extensive stone (like 8 stone/2 food)
2. hit rbc as many as possible
reduce your food demand by sending soldier to "hell" but get some resource back, use those resource for (1) above
3. take the gap to recruit defense army while maintain your army to hit rbc
take the gap to make your wall stronger ( like raise tower, castle wall, gate...etc)
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T_PACK [None]
:: Sept. 24, 2012, 2:36 p.m.
Conqueror9 wrote: »1. continue to build up to level 19
cap 2 outpost, 1 is extense wood (like 8 wood 2 food ) and other is extensive stone (like 8 stone/2 food)
2. hit rbc as many as possible
reduce your food demand by sending soldier to "hell" but get some resource back, use those resource for (1) above
3. take the gap to recruit defense army while maintain your army to hit rbc
take the gap to make your wall stronger ( like raise tower, castle wall, gate...etc)
One thing wrong with what you said Conqueror:
1. Go for a wood 8 food 2 at lv. 19, then a food 8 stone 2 for your 2nd at lv. 23, so you can have a strong attack force.
Other than that:
2. Keep your honor low, as not many people will be able to win any honor from you, so that should keep you from getting attacked until you're at a higher level.
3. Use 40-20-40 defense, as your flanks are the weakest, but they can send the least amount of troops to your flanks. If you successfully defend the flanks, you will get a 30% bonus in your defense at the keep.
Hope this helped,
- T_PACK
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Conqueror9 [None]
:: Sept. 24, 2012, 2:47 p.m.
at level 15, u can build estate to have your 1st outpost.... that is 8 wood
at level 19, u can upgrade estate to 2nd level so u can own 2nd outpost ...that is 8 stone
i read some topic...
they say wood is important
later stone is another important
...
thereafter ..food ??
3. Use 40-20-40 defense...that is a good defense design.... i like that idea
at level 19, u can upgrade estate to 2nd level so u can own 2nd outpost ...that is 8 stone
i read some topic...
they say wood is important
later stone is another important
...
thereafter ..food ??
3. Use 40-20-40 defense...that is a good defense design.... i like that idea
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NeymarPlayer [None]
:: Sept. 24, 2012, 3:01 p.m.
always capture bread outposts more warriors in your main you should have at least 12 farmhouses for more warriors
and always get half and half soldiers like maybe first get 5 mace men 5 spear men then get 5 crossbowman and 5 bowman and if youre struggling with leveling up just build your army up for a few days dont bother upgrade anything then when you have food stone and wood full to the max the storage can take then upgrade you will go up in honour and levels this is the way i done it
and always get half and half soldiers like maybe first get 5 mace men 5 spear men then get 5 crossbowman and 5 bowman and if youre struggling with leveling up just build your army up for a few days dont bother upgrade anything then when you have food stone and wood full to the max the storage can take then upgrade you will go up in honour and levels this is the way i done it
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bobbysbro [None]
:: Sept. 24, 2012, 3:01 p.m.
wood is the most inportant at the low lvls then it switches round ass u get higher as u will find you need more stone
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T_PACK [None]
:: Sept. 24, 2012, 3:09 p.m.
Conqueror9 wrote: »at level 15, u can build estate to have your 1st outpost.... that is 8 wood
at level 19, u can upgrade estate to 2nd level so u can own 2nd outpost ...that is 8 stone
i read some topic...
they say wood is important
later stone is another important
...
thereafter ..food ??
3. Use 40-20-40 defense...that is a good defense design.... i like that idea
After lv 13 you get your first outpost, and stone is not overly important til after level 31, i'm 29 and stone has not become that important yet. However troops cost food more at higher levels, so food will be very important for a large army.
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it904 [None]
:: Sept. 24, 2012, 3:48 p.m.
get 10 farmhouses and upgrade them as far as u can then get a bakery and ipgrad that as far as u can it worked 4 me i am making 550 food per hour in my main and have 200 soldiers and more food 2 spare and am only level 31
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BobFighter834 (INT2) [None]
:: Sept. 24, 2012, 8:52 p.m.
get 10 farmhouses and upgrade them as far as u can then get a bakery and ipgrad that as far as u can it worked 4 me i am making 550 food per hour in my main and have 200 soldiers and more food 2 spare and am only level 31
At such an early level, 10 farmhouses is ridiculous. Yes, you should go over the occupancy rate, but not by 7. You will run out of space or could use it for much better things. I suggest 2 over the occupancy rate - 5 in your main, 8 in a food outpost (or 10 for a shiny) or 4 for a wood or stone outpost.
EDIT: I agree with the bakery, though. You won't get level 4 unlocked until level 40 but unless you buy quite a few rubies or are extremely skilled, you won't get enough rubies to get level 3 in all your castles before then anyway.
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Polemos [None]
:: Sept. 25, 2012, 3:22 a.m.
Awesome. You guys are thinking way beyond where I was. But as I just hit level 15 with 20 hours left before I hit the "real deal" I'm sitting here scratching my head as to what to reinforce but you got me heading in the right direction for sure.
Here's another twist - somebody explain this to me: I built 10 Level 2 towers @ 6 slots each then I recruited 60 archers to fill them. Simple logic, right? When I go to my defense menu and set my flank / frontal deployment percentages everything is fine until I toggle my melee / range ratio to 100% ranged --- that's when my walls are completely cleared of men. Zero on every wall. What gives? Am I just not gettnig something?
Here's another twist - somebody explain this to me: I built 10 Level 2 towers @ 6 slots each then I recruited 60 archers to fill them. Simple logic, right? When I go to my defense menu and set my flank / frontal deployment percentages everything is fine until I toggle my melee / range ratio to 100% ranged --- that's when my walls are completely cleared of men. Zero on every wall. What gives? Am I just not gettnig something?
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Eric768 (US1) [US1]
:: Sept. 25, 2012, 3:25 a.m.
I see one tiny flaw in this. The 40-20-40 doesn't give a bonus for winning the flanks in the fight for the keep. If you occupy the 3 walls at all with any percent, the defender recieves reduction in strength of 30% in the fight for the keep. If you occupy 2 sections of the wall then there are no bonuses given to either side, and you fight on even terms at the keep. Then if you occupy one section of the wall, you recieve the pre-mentioned 30% bonus.3. Use 40-20-40 defense, as your flanks are the weakest, but they can send the least amount of troops to your flanks. If you successfully defend the flanks, you will get a 30% bonus in your defense at the keep.
Hope this helped,
- T_PACK
Hope this helps.
Eric768
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xJadetsssx [None]
:: Sept. 25, 2012, 3:32 a.m.
I don't understand why he won't get a bonus, I mean depending of the attack anything can happen so I don't see the flaw, if you put 40-20-40 and win both flanks no one gets a bonus in the keep, and that depends of the attack not of the percentageI see one tiny flaw in this. The 40-20-40 doesn't give a bonus for winning the flanks in the fight for the keep. If you occupy the 3 walls at all with any percent, the defender recieves reduction in strength of 30% in the fight for the keep. If you occupy 2 sections of the wall then there are no bonuses given to either side, and you fight on even terms at the keep. Then if you occupy one section of the wall, you recieve the pre-mentioned 30% bonus.
Hope this helps.
Eric768
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T_PACK [None]
:: Sept. 25, 2012, 11:48 a.m.
I see one tiny flaw in this. The 40-20-40 doesn't give a bonus for winning the flanks in the fight for the keep. If you occupy the 3 walls at all with any percent, the defender recieves reduction in strength of 30% in the fight for the keep. If you occupy 2 sections of the wall then there are no bonuses given to either side, and you fight on even terms at the keep. Then if you occupy one section of the wall, you recieve the pre-mentioned 30% bonus.
Hope this helps.
Eric768
Eric you're looking at it from the attackers side. What you just said is exactly the same as what I said, merely from the opposite side:
1. If you successfully defend all 3 flanks, you've won.
2. If you successfully defend 2 flanks (like I said before) you receive a 30% defense bonus at the keep.
3. If you only defend 1 flank, there is no bonus to either side.
4. And if you lose all flanks, the attacker receives a 30% attack bonus at the keep.
And, from an attackers point of view, you would not, as you said before:
You would receive a 30% decrease in attack power at the keep.Then if you occupy one section of the wall, you recieve the pre-mentioned 30% bonus
Please make sure you understand what you read before correcting someone and giving out the wrong information.
- T_PACK
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Conqueror9 [None]
:: Sept. 25, 2012, 1:10 p.m.
if army go thro the wall
40-20-40 will allow attacker go thro fronter easier
but the game assign attacker has lesser army in left and right flank
and you put heavier army on both flank
if 2 X 40% of army cannot kill invade 2 X 20% army ( enemy weakest armies), i do not see the reason u can kill atatcker fronter army
Even enemy get thro front gate but fail in left and right flank
his army sizes will be reduced and attacker do not have any bonus at all
when attacker enter courtyard, he has no bonus at all, but your 2 X40% ( although reduced a little bit) with courtyard army which is not reduced in strength as u only lost fronter gate only
the final battle at courtyard, u should more extreme good chance to win
the only problem is
your 40% army 's strength on left and right flank lost the battle, u will have dis-advantage in courtyard war
but if attacker's weakest army can defeat your 40% defend army
u may need to think...
whether completely give-up ... and palce 50-0-50 configuration ....just a joke
40-20-40 will allow attacker go thro fronter easier
but the game assign attacker has lesser army in left and right flank
and you put heavier army on both flank
if 2 X 40% of army cannot kill invade 2 X 20% army ( enemy weakest armies), i do not see the reason u can kill atatcker fronter army
Even enemy get thro front gate but fail in left and right flank
his army sizes will be reduced and attacker do not have any bonus at all
when attacker enter courtyard, he has no bonus at all, but your 2 X40% ( although reduced a little bit) with courtyard army which is not reduced in strength as u only lost fronter gate only
the final battle at courtyard, u should more extreme good chance to win
the only problem is
your 40% army 's strength on left and right flank lost the battle, u will have dis-advantage in courtyard war
but if attacker's weakest army can defeat your 40% defend army
u may need to think...
whether completely give-up ... and palce 50-0-50 configuration ....just a joke
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Eric768 (US1) [US1]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 12:26 a.m.
Eric you're looking at it from the attackers side. What you just said is exactly the same as what I said, merely from the opposite side:
1. If you successfully defend all 3 flanks, you've won.
2. If you successfully defend 2 flanks (like I said before) you receive a 30% defense bonus at the keep.
3. If you only defend 1 flank, there is no bonus to either side.
4. And if you lose all flanks, the attacker receives a 30% attack bonus at the keep.
And, from an attackers point of view, you would not, as you said before:
You would receive a 30% decrease in attack power at the keep.
Please make sure you understand what you read before correcting someone and giving out the wrong information.
- T_PACK
Yes, so I said it from a different perspective. Both are correct, neither incorrect. And I believe for the second part, that if you are only occupieing one section of the wall with your defenders, then you get a bonus at the keep as you only have one wall defending. If you have two parts of the wall with a chunk of percentage of defenders, you recieve no bonus for any fight at the keep. And finally with 3 sections of the wall occupied, you recieve a reduction of 30%.
As for knowing what I am talking about, look at a combat report, the next you recieve, and look at the part that says either 30% or 0% depending on how the wall was occupied. It says it all there. Why don't you make sure you understand what you are talking about when you come to the forum.
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T_PACK [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 12:41 a.m.
Yes, so I said it from a different perspective. Both are correct, neither incorrect. And I believe for the second part, that if you are only occupieing one section of the wall with your defenders, then you get a bonus at the keep as you only have one wall defending. If you have two parts of the wall with a chunk of percentage of defenders, you recieve no bonus for any fight at the keep. And finally with 3 sections of the wall occupied, you recieve a reduction of 30%.
As for knowing what I am talking about, look at a combat report, the next you recieve, and look at the part that says either 30% or 0% depending on how the wall was occupied. It says it all there. Why don't you make sure you understand what you are talking about when you come to the forum.
I am not talking about occupying the wall,
I am saying when you successfully defend 1 section, and you lose the other 2, no one gets a bonus.
If you successfully Defend 2 sections and lose one, you receive a 30% defense bonus.
And if you lose all 3 sections, the attacker receives a 30% attack bonus.
I am not talking about which wall sections you put troops on.
Does that clear it up for you?
- T_PACK
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fdgfgfg3 [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 12:58 a.m.
1. Always have your Defence like this
50-0-50
when a attacker comes you can trick them by puting other things like
if attacker has
left 50 two handed swords men
put all ranged defenders on left flank!
2. Always get shiny food outposts when you get higher level you need food always!
get
food-wood
food-stone
food-stone
i acidently abandoned by food-wood that had level 2 bakery such a fail!
3.always have defenders at outposts and attackers at main
when a attack comes with alot of soilders support your main castle by sending your defenders to main
ok here is how i role!
i keep my main emty and my outpost with 10,000 super soilders each and then when they attack with 200 soilders bam they die and they say WTF!!!
Reason for attackers is because if they do a 50% acerucy spy it will only say like 300 soilders
the attacker always think your soilders are defenders not attackers, so they might be scared of your soilders even if they are week!
4. join a big allience that helps you like
-Steel
-Badboys
-Black~rose (The Real one not the Fakers)
-Hells Warriors
-MT
-MK
-Magic kingdom
-Silver Daggers (Just Learn and ditch)
-Fun Fighters
-Sparta VII (only sparta left)
-I can't think of any more so the rest are weak!
50-0-50
when a attacker comes you can trick them by puting other things like
if attacker has
left 50 two handed swords men
put all ranged defenders on left flank!
2. Always get shiny food outposts when you get higher level you need food always!
get
food-wood
food-stone
food-stone
i acidently abandoned by food-wood that had level 2 bakery such a fail!
3.always have defenders at outposts and attackers at main
when a attack comes with alot of soilders support your main castle by sending your defenders to main
ok here is how i role!
i keep my main emty and my outpost with 10,000 super soilders each and then when they attack with 200 soilders bam they die and they say WTF!!!
Reason for attackers is because if they do a 50% acerucy spy it will only say like 300 soilders
the attacker always think your soilders are defenders not attackers, so they might be scared of your soilders even if they are week!
4. join a big allience that helps you like
-Steel
-Badboys
-Black~rose (The Real one not the Fakers)
-Hells Warriors
-MT
-MK
-Magic kingdom
-Silver Daggers (Just Learn and ditch)
-Fun Fighters
-Sparta VII (only sparta left)
-I can't think of any more so the rest are weak!
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Eric768 (US1) [US1]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 12:59 a.m.
I am not talking about occupying the wall,
I am saying when you successfully defend 1 section, and you lose the other 2, no one gets a bonus.
If you successfully Defend 2 sections and lose one, you receive a 30% defense bonus.
And if you lose all 3 sections, the attacker receives a 30% attack bonus.
I am not talking about which wall sections you put troops on.
Does that clear it up for you?
- T_PACK
But it doesn't matter how you defend the wall, and wether or not you successfully defend the walls. If you lose one of the three and fight at the keep as the defender, you have a reduction because you have 3 walls occupied. No matter if you lose two sections, or one, or all for that matter, the fight for the keep, you will have a 30% reduction because oyu had those 3 sections occupied.
We are both correct in ways, we just need to work out some of the kinks. Let's get a little less heated, and try to figure the exact system out. Agreed my friend?
Eric768
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T_PACK [None]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 1:04 a.m.
But it doesn't matter how you defend the wall, and wether or not you successfully defend the walls. If you lose one of the three and fight at the keep as the defender, you have a reduction because you have 3 walls occupied. No matter if you lose two sections, or one, or all for that matter, the fight for the keep, you will have a 30% reduction because oyu had those 3 sections occupied.
We are both correct in ways, we just need to work out some of the kinks. Let's get a little less heated, and try to figure the exact system out. Agreed my friend?
Eric768
I don't believe you can still get the reduction bonus, but ok. If someone else could clarify this that would be nice. Sorry I sounded so hostile.
- T_PACK
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Eric768 (US1) [US1]
:: Sept. 26, 2012, 1:08 a.m.
I don't believe you can still get the reduction bonus, but ok. If someone else could clarify this that would be nice. Sorry I sounded so hostile.
- T_PACK
Yes, it is a heated area and I apologize as well, and all expertise is welcome.
I will continue to investigate the matter as well, with each coming combat report from my alliance. Looking at the different formations should show what really happens. I know of one person who uses a 50-0-50 method, and with each attack, when I see the combat report, neither person recieves a bonus no matter the outcome.
But again, we should keep out eyes pealed for any other clues, and listen to what others have to say to see if we can solve this.
Eric768