Forum: empire-en
Board: [816] News from the world of Empire
Topic: [342360] Bot Banning: Intermediate results
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Kiwikiler95 (AU1) [AU1]
:: Oct. 25, 2017, 9:32 a.m.
Go to everwinter glacier burning sands and fire peaks and start looting the towers over there you can loot plenty of the other resources from there and send it over you dont need farms anymore and you can loot heaps of oil and charcoal from the foreigners when they are around glass and iron are a little harder to getwarriordude7 (GB1) said:Despite the obvious irony I bet deep down you are crumbling inside, the man who distributed the program for bots now having to write the effects of the anti bot software.
I used meli- stopped using it after my first ban. Was still worth it though- you gave a 12 hour ban so that we lost a small fragment of what we had gained for free for that. But still I learned my lesson. What I don't get was why they made farms impossible to, well, farm. The special resources are hard to get efficiently. Iron is easier to get because of nomads but would be nice if they did a mix of oil,glass and iron because otherwise im just wasting all this iron coming in waiting for someone to lend me some glass to do a Hol or something.
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Turtle24 (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 25, 2017, 12:09 p.m.
Philt123 (GB1) said:Love it no denial, about what jjjjjjsk was saying. No Reason given no attempt at justification. Just a straight ban for saying something you dont want people to hear.
Just a heads up guys really does not look good, in fact looks like you have something to hide. WHich I am guessing thats exactly the reason for the censorship.
I believe he was banned for reposting a screenshot of a pm which is against the forum rules. He posted it in one post, it was removed by a mod, and he then edited the comment so the screenshot was back in it. This is a valid reason for being forum banned.
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Philt123 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Oct. 25, 2017, 1:41 p.m.
Maybe so but u have to ask you why that rule exists ? and if its to hide the fact GGE is Unbanning perminantly banned players. Then really what is the use of a ban?
And banning the person that asks this question just makes it look more likley there is truth in JJJJJSK's claim.
And banning the person that asks this question just makes it look more likley there is truth in JJJJJSK's claim.
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Herveus (AU1) [AU1]
:: Oct. 25, 2017, 3:28 p.m.
khan camp and towers in outers m8 , now stop being lazy and get in game and level them up and you are setwarriordude7 (GB1) said:Despite the obvious irony I bet deep down you are crumbling inside, the man who distributed the program for bots now having to write the effects of the anti bot software.
I used meli- stopped using it after my first ban. Was still worth it though- you gave a 12 hour ban so that we lost a small fragment of what we had gained for free for that. But still I learned my lesson. What I don't get was why they made farms impossible to, well, farm. The special resources are hard to get efficiently. Iron is easier to get because of nomads but would be nice if they did a mix of oil,glass and iron because otherwise im just wasting all this iron coming in waiting for someone to lend me some glass to do a Hol or something.
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Herveus (AU1) [AU1]
:: Oct. 25, 2017, 3:30 p.m.
I can assure it is the truth , I have the screen myself and the player he talked about is an obvious multi , ex-botter and bought via vpnPhilt123 (GB1) said:Maybe so but u have to ask you why that rule exists ? and if its to hide the fact GGE is Unbanning perminantly banned players. Then really what is the use of a ban?
And banning the person that asks this question just makes it look more likley there is truth in JJJJJSK's claim.
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Philt123 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Oct. 25, 2017, 7:15 p.m.
they cant help themselves can they they finally get around to banning players that cheat, and then instead of following it through they put money before their own rules!!! And let these players effect everyone one elses game negativly for a few quid.
The irony is no one multis to spend more money, they multi so they can compete at a higher level and do it spending less.
crazy gge. get a grip. And enforce your rules. Until you instill confindence back in your players that all players face the same hurdles and that some players are not allowed cheap shortcuts, then your revenue will continue to tumble no matter what u do game wise.
The irony is no one multis to spend more money, they multi so they can compete at a higher level and do it spending less.
crazy gge. get a grip. And enforce your rules. Until you instill confindence back in your players that all players face the same hurdles and that some players are not allowed cheap shortcuts, then your revenue will continue to tumble no matter what u do game wise.
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Batten (GB1) [GB1]
:: Oct. 25, 2017, 9:52 p.m.
Essentially based on what you are saying we can have no confidence in the following:
1. Results of nobilility contests
2. Results of events
3. Results of alliance tournament
4. Glory rankings
5. Honour rankings
6. Might point rankings
7. Results of long term points events
8. Results of inter server events
9. Hall of Legend development level
10. Level rankings
11. Castle development
12. That the players in our own alliances are who they say they are
13. That the players we play against are who they say they are
14. That you have read your own terms and conditions
15 That Board moderators recognise there is an issue
16. That Board moderators aren't responsible for and complicit in causing the issue.
This is compounded by players openly admitting that they were systematically taught how to cheat on an alliance level, openly admitting to having benefited from that cheating and having gained an unfair advantage which wasn't offset by the punishment they in theory may or may not have received .
To be fair I'm not sure how you present 3 million instances of cheating in a favourable light given how big the iceberg that's the tip of clearly is. If you continue to selectively enforce the rules then you may as well just tear them up as they remain worthless.
I'll be honest it would be actually cheaper to visit a casino nightly at present their is less risk and seemingly a greater chance of reward for effort at present.
I don't mind losing to someone's whose better. I do mind losing to someone whose been allowed continuously to stack the deck in their favour. Seems to me that their are other games that actually take this seriously. December is the deadline for action on multi's regardless of how minor otherwise I see little or no future in a game that run by an absentee owner
1. Results of nobilility contests
2. Results of events
3. Results of alliance tournament
4. Glory rankings
5. Honour rankings
6. Might point rankings
7. Results of long term points events
8. Results of inter server events
9. Hall of Legend development level
10. Level rankings
11. Castle development
12. That the players in our own alliances are who they say they are
13. That the players we play against are who they say they are
14. That you have read your own terms and conditions
15 That Board moderators recognise there is an issue
16. That Board moderators aren't responsible for and complicit in causing the issue.
This is compounded by players openly admitting that they were systematically taught how to cheat on an alliance level, openly admitting to having benefited from that cheating and having gained an unfair advantage which wasn't offset by the punishment they in theory may or may not have received .
To be fair I'm not sure how you present 3 million instances of cheating in a favourable light given how big the iceberg that's the tip of clearly is. If you continue to selectively enforce the rules then you may as well just tear them up as they remain worthless.
I'll be honest it would be actually cheaper to visit a casino nightly at present their is less risk and seemingly a greater chance of reward for effort at present.
I don't mind losing to someone's whose better. I do mind losing to someone whose been allowed continuously to stack the deck in their favour. Seems to me that their are other games that actually take this seriously. December is the deadline for action on multi's regardless of how minor otherwise I see little or no future in a game that run by an absentee owner
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Batten (GB1) [GB1]
:: Oct. 25, 2017, 10:31 p.m.
So if you want to be successful you are being asked to overcome:
1. Players in accounts they bought ready built from other players
2. Players who stole the account from other players naive enough to provide them with their password
3. Players playing whole alliances by themselves
4. Players playing other players accounts whenever the mood takes them
5. Players playing other players accounts to ensure they are supported 24 -7
6. Players playing other players accounts in rotation to ensure they don't run out of funds when competing in an event ensuring single players in other alliances cannot compete with them
7. Players hitting players from second to fifteenth accounts in retaliation for hits on one of their multitude of accounts
8. Players passing accounts to other players on leaving the game to players who have no concept of how to play and who haven't worked to achieve what they inherit outside of the rules
9. Players sat in alliances deliberately to undermine or maliciously damage alliances and inhibit their growth
10. Players reeming resources from second to 65th accounts in farms control by them or their alliance to speed up their development whilst stunting the development of others
11. Players using second, third... accounts to hit out challengers in events to prevent competition from preventing them winning
and so on...
And your response to all these issues in the light of players consistently raising concerns, being demonstrable and consistently disadvantaged, despite you admitting that the problem equates to 3 million - 3,000,000 plus - incidents of rule breaking is to... redesign the Questbook???
1. Players in accounts they bought ready built from other players
2. Players who stole the account from other players naive enough to provide them with their password
3. Players playing whole alliances by themselves
4. Players playing other players accounts whenever the mood takes them
5. Players playing other players accounts to ensure they are supported 24 -7
6. Players playing other players accounts in rotation to ensure they don't run out of funds when competing in an event ensuring single players in other alliances cannot compete with them
7. Players hitting players from second to fifteenth accounts in retaliation for hits on one of their multitude of accounts
8. Players passing accounts to other players on leaving the game to players who have no concept of how to play and who haven't worked to achieve what they inherit outside of the rules
9. Players sat in alliances deliberately to undermine or maliciously damage alliances and inhibit their growth
10. Players reeming resources from second to 65th accounts in farms control by them or their alliance to speed up their development whilst stunting the development of others
11. Players using second, third... accounts to hit out challengers in events to prevent competition from preventing them winning
and so on...
And your response to all these issues in the light of players consistently raising concerns, being demonstrable and consistently disadvantaged, despite you admitting that the problem equates to 3 million - 3,000,000 plus - incidents of rule breaking is to... redesign the Questbook???
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Batten (GB1) [GB1]
:: Oct. 25, 2017, 10:32 p.m.
I may now fully understand the meaning of the word despair ...
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Batten (GB1) [GB1]
:: Oct. 25, 2017, 10:43 p.m.
It's a bit like the owner of a shop being robbed once, then when the robber comes back disabling the alarm, opening the steel shutters and making them a cup of tea (coffee if in America or Europe), providing them with the safe combination, leaving the till open and then going off to sort out the window display. Not much point having a shop that looks pretty when you can't afford to open it. Multi's openly and consistently take money out of the game the fact they keep offending or simply open another account shows clearly they aren't reforming they are simply adapting and if you make it this easy this consistently and keep looking the other way whilst they sell your products out from under you then you won't have a game. If you are getting robbed and don't have the capacity to deal with the multi issue inhouse then call in the police or whatever the security equivalent is. It's just sad and a little embarassing to see and be associated with. I can't see why a company that appears to run by good people would allow itself to be consistently victimised and preyed on in this way you should expect better for yourselves and for us.
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dandelion1958 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Oct. 25, 2017, 11:04 p.m.
@Batten (GB1)
I agree with the comments - after 4 1/2 years of playing I actually won a nobility contest yesterday - how ? by hitting all my green robbers 4 plus times ! if i was willing to go without sleep could have had a bigger win but just scraped through this morning .
I missed out last one of these by a player coming from nowhere overnight ? sound familiar ?
I agree with the comments - after 4 1/2 years of playing I actually won a nobility contest yesterday - how ? by hitting all my green robbers 4 plus times ! if i was willing to go without sleep could have had a bigger win but just scraped through this morning .
I missed out last one of these by a player coming from nowhere overnight ? sound familiar ?
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makale (AU1) [None]
:: Oct. 25, 2017, 11:37 p.m.
Are GGE in breach of their own T&Cs (if they have them) by failing to provide a fair playing ground. By failing to stop (or at least take measureable steps) people cheating and taking away the enjoyment of others. If so, this might be worthy of a class action. European courts love this sort of stuff !!
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Sir Russell (AU1) [AU1]
:: Oct. 27, 2017, 5:31 p.m.
GG has to remove multis. You used to make an attempt to do this, and then you just stopped. And over time you made it almost impossible to defend yourself. So, a player with a number of feeder accounts can now send 35k attackers at a time, spread over every castle / op you own. That may seem to be a good business decision from a GGE perspective, as, by design, you have no chance of defending yourself against that many attackers, so you open the gates to save some of your troops and assets, and earn GGE a few dollars in the process.
This game has changed so much since I started playing. I don't even know what a bot does. If it alerts you that you're being attacked, so what. If it allows you to recruit troops while you're not online, who cares? The biggest problem in this game is when GGE made the decision to ignore multis. That has changed the GGE landscape dramatically. You now have players running multiple account so that they can have a spy in every alliance they have a problem with. They can now run multiple accounts within their own alliance. And GGE now turns a blind eye to the whole mess that they have created, on the condition that those flouting the rules spend enough money to financially justify ignoring any rules that used to be in place to ensure some sort of level playing field.
I'm so disappointed with how cynical GGE have become.
This game has changed so much since I started playing. I don't even know what a bot does. If it alerts you that you're being attacked, so what. If it allows you to recruit troops while you're not online, who cares? The biggest problem in this game is when GGE made the decision to ignore multis. That has changed the GGE landscape dramatically. You now have players running multiple account so that they can have a spy in every alliance they have a problem with. They can now run multiple accounts within their own alliance. And GGE now turns a blind eye to the whole mess that they have created, on the condition that those flouting the rules spend enough money to financially justify ignoring any rules that used to be in place to ensure some sort of level playing field.
I'm so disappointed with how cynical GGE have become.
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Diavolo (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 28, 2017, 7:51 a.m.
There was a "game" made once where your character was randomly rolled, then it went on a quest without your input. You only got to read what happened to him. The game was made as a parody of rpgs, hahaha, to make fun of the leveling up process. Ah, the great hamster wheel.Muffins 2.0 (ASIA1) said:To recruit, auto detect and alarm the player is hes being attacks. Auto upgrade the building and more. "Thats not a problem" i guess is fair that a bot to do all the job for you 24/7 and you just relax eating popcorn and drinking cola.ali hassan (INT1) said:Probably people used bots to recruit thats not a problem now those 4k people did a big mistake
Fair i guess.
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Zeps (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 29, 2017, 6:53 p.m.
Its quite simple really, GGE by putting out a game where they charge money, have agreed to provide a game where they make every effort to ensure the integrity of their game from all forms of cheating. It appears that GGE somehow feels that they are above this expectation. The sad truth is, their policy of not dealing with all kinds of cheating has now make the game more about cheating and getting away with it than playing the game. They have massive plumbing problems, broken pipes, cracked pipes rooms filling with water, so they tell us they are doing something major to fix the problems, they are working on fixing the drip drip drip of the leaky faucet in the bathroom sink, and very proud of their efforts.
Even sadder, the biggest change that GGE has done over the recent year is try to create more pve content, and the very cheaters that are ruining the rest of the game are also ruining GGE's own attempts to make their game once more relevant. PVE content, causing folks to try to put together a game plan to attack PVE targets, which opens them up even more to attacks by the cheating, bullying mob players constantly looking for easy victims, while at the same time cheating their way to the top.
Why anyone would ever start playing this game in its current form is beyond me, and it appears its beyond most new players too.
Even sadder, the biggest change that GGE has done over the recent year is try to create more pve content, and the very cheaters that are ruining the rest of the game are also ruining GGE's own attempts to make their game once more relevant. PVE content, causing folks to try to put together a game plan to attack PVE targets, which opens them up even more to attacks by the cheating, bullying mob players constantly looking for easy victims, while at the same time cheating their way to the top.
Why anyone would ever start playing this game in its current form is beyond me, and it appears its beyond most new players too.
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Zeps (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 29, 2017, 8:40 p.m.
BTW, since I offered a complaint, I would like to offer at least a starting suggestion. First let me explain. I have never in my wildest dreams thought of robbing a bank. However I am sure if a new law came out that said, if you are caught for robbing a bank, the first offence you will spend a day in jail, the second offense you will spend 3 days in jail, third offence a week, and then if caught again you will spend the rest of your life in jail, however we will not take away from you all the money you robbed. I am pretty sure you would see a huge upswing in robberies all over the country, in fact, I am sure you will find that there will be many folks who become serial bank robbers, well at least three time offenders. Banks would suddenly be the worst place to keep your money, with folk being robbed in the lobby because the bank had been robbed so many times there was nothing left to take. Yet this is just exactly what GGE has told to the very folks destroying their games. You get to get caught cheating three times on any account before you get banned from the game forever. We will not take back your ill gotten gains, Nor your other accounts. GGE it would be better to sell cheat all you want subscription , kinda like the vip, you could sell no ramification cheating for 24 hours, renewed with rubies and offered on the wheel of fortune, great reward incentives for ruby purchases. This way at least all your paying customers would be on a level playing field. And you won't really have to do anything to fix the cheating problem. You could offer best bots as awards, maybe work up a task page that allows you to access all your multi accounts at the same time for building troops, defending and attacking. Heck if you play your cards right, you could even Offer an alliance password account with separate privileges for various ranks. Like Deputys can access all accounts but cannot access their rubies or kick out all the members, (you know how messy that gets)
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Turtle24 (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 29, 2017, 8:44 p.m.
Zeps (US1) said:BTW, since I offered a complaint, I would like to offer at least a starting suggestion. First let me explain. I have never in my wildest dreams thought of robbing a bank. However I am sure if a new law came out that said, if you are caught for robbing a bank, the first offence you will spend a day in jail, the second offense you will spend 3 days in jail, third offence a week, and then if caught again you will spend the rest of your life in jail, however we will not take away from you all the money you robbed. I am pretty sure you would see a huge upswing in robberies all over the country, in fact, I am sure you will find that there will be many folks who become serial bank robbers, well at least three time offenders. Banks would suddenly be the worst place to keep your money, with folk being robbed in the lobby because the bank had been robbed so many times there was nothing left to take. Yet this is just exactly what GGE has told to the very folks destroying their games. You get to get caught cheating three times on any account before you get banned from the game forever. We will not take back your ill gotten gains, Nor your other accounts. GGE it would be better to sell cheat all you want subscription , kinda like the vip, you could sell no ramification cheating for 24 hours, renewed with rubies and offered on the wheel of fortune, great reward incentives for ruby purchases. This way at least all your paying customers would be on a level playing field. And you won't really have to do anything to fix the cheating problem. You could offer best bots as awards, maybe work up a task page that allows you to access all your multi accounts at the same time for building troops, defending and attacking. Heck if you play your cards right, you could even Offer an alliance password account with separate privileges for various ranks. Like Deputys can access all accounts but cannot access their rubies or kick out all the members, (you know how messy that gets)
ummmm.... that doesn't really make sense, and no.
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Zeps (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 29, 2017, 10:14 p.m.
wait wait, look at the benefit, GGE spends all this time telling folks not to cheat, and does not enforce it, and we have a game that only cheaters cheat, they get all the benefits, and of course probably will be the first to not want this instituted, cause it is their way of getting the upper hand. This way GGE could shop the web find the best cheats, then offer them as prizes, pop up ads offering the latest greatest cheats, yours if you buy 35000 rubies.
OH, I see where some of you might be having a problem, cheating should not be allowed.... yeah that. Well see here is the problem with that, If you already have the time and money invested in the game, and through no fault of your own, the Company running the game has decided to allow the cheaters to do as they please, you only 4 choices, 1) quit the game 2 ) Cow tow to the bullies and cheats 3) Look like my castles do on USA1. 4) give in and cheat yourself. This would actually give me a viable option that would be legally sanctioned by GGE.
OH, I see where some of you might be having a problem, cheating should not be allowed.... yeah that. Well see here is the problem with that, If you already have the time and money invested in the game, and through no fault of your own, the Company running the game has decided to allow the cheaters to do as they please, you only 4 choices, 1) quit the game 2 ) Cow tow to the bullies and cheats 3) Look like my castles do on USA1. 4) give in and cheat yourself. This would actually give me a viable option that would be legally sanctioned by GGE.
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Zeps (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 29, 2017, 10:47 p.m.
The only way that has ever worked for any game that I am aware of, is if you catch someone cheating, you ban them, forever. Take away their ill gotten gains and ban them, ferret out their other accounts, especially the one that is getting the most benefit from their alts cheating and botting, the one that is getting the most protection from password sharing, and ban it too. If you find an alliance or even a groups of alliances all practicing cheating tactics , ban those that are obviously cheating, and then finally flag all band accounts as cheaters. Give them time to prove other wise before you flag them. This way, weed out the bad apples, and bring attention to the alliances tactics. Folks having dealings with them will know to watch out and report obvious signs, and alliances and players will clean up this game in a hurry, then we can all get back to playing the game not just trying to keep ahead of the con. But we all know that GGE will not make any serious changes until they are on the brink of having to shut down, and then only as little as they have to do become solvent and kick the can down the road again.
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Zeps (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 29, 2017, 10:59 p.m.
Turtle24 (US1) said:Zeps (US1) said:BTW, since I offered a complaint, I would like to offer at least a starting suggestion. First let me explain. I have never in my wildest dreams thought of robbing a bank. However I am sure if a new law came out that said, if you are caught for robbing a bank, the first offence you will spend a day in jail, the second offense you will spend 3 days in jail, third offence a week, and then if caught again you will spend the rest of your life in jail, however we will not take away from you all the money you robbed. I am pretty sure you would see a huge upswing in robberies all over the country, in fact, I am sure you will find that there will be many folks who become serial bank robbers, well at least three time offenders. Banks would suddenly be the worst place to keep your money, with folk being robbed in the lobby because the bank had been robbed so many times there was nothing left to take. Yet this is just exactly what GGE has told to the very folks destroying their games. You get to get caught cheating three times on any account before you get banned from the game forever. We will not take back your ill gotten gains, Nor your other accounts. GGE it would be better to sell cheat all you want subscription , kinda like the vip, you could sell no ramification cheating for 24 hours, renewed with rubies and offered on the wheel of fortune, great reward incentives for ruby purchases. This way at least all your paying customers would be on a level playing field. And you won't really have to do anything to fix the cheating problem. You could offer best bots as awards, maybe work up a task page that allows you to access all your multi accounts at the same time for building troops, defending and attacking. Heck if you play your cards right, you could even Offer an alliance password account with separate privileges for various ranks. Like Deputys can access all accounts but cannot access their rubies or kick out all the members, (you know how messy that gets)
ummmm.... that doesn't really make sense, and no.
Not at all implying in anyway that you folks at GK cheat, but if in fact you are playing legit, you should be one of the alliances that is pushing hardest for GGE to get their act together and seriously go after the cheaters