Forum: empire-en
Board: [818] General Discussion
Topic: [302528] 6 wave defenses? Anyone?
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ang1243 (GB1) [GB1]
:: April 23, 2016, 3:33 p.m.
Defending against 6th Wave hits is easy:
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: April 23, 2016, 3:36 p.m.
It has been confirmed Grey,Graylen (AU1) said:@CM Arcanine ...
@Wicked
So you continue to provide nothing that a non ruby player could ever dream of using to defend a 6 wave attack.
GGS disgusts me.
@KKP2112 (AU1) ..
@JJJJJJSK (AU1)
When Glen gets 6th wave come to Seps (like temp leave or something, ill send the invite?) and we can 2 flank the attack, sound like a plan ?
In all honesty, its just about fighting in the CY, you put wall gems on your fked because your gambling that you will win, you put CY gems on you gotta get it over 30% CY and take out as many as you can before it gets in the keep.
GGE is a company here to make cash, they make cash off people getting their jollys off buying loads of demons and sending them to try and get big K/D ratios. People wont pay to buy defenders.... look at the amount of super castas/highlanders floating around and then the amount of winged buttfkers.
I've added up 3.6k worth of demons in the last 4 days being sent at us as an alliance and im still saving mine from events in RV's. How silly am I and how little chance do I have when they loose theirs they just buy more.
Winged buttsucker castas....... KKP has one and some dude in Second Sons along with Rob. Even then Winged knight cant hold the elemental on a flank regardless of hall im told because of 50% flank bonus from set and 30% flank from hall. Just doesnt work out with someone rocking those kinds of numbers on a flank, cant hold it....
You just do the best you can and hope the balancing team that GGE talks about every so often looks at it at some point in time.
I dont know the answer but when you need 25-30k in the keep to have a shot and someone can send 3-4 of those attacks off instatntly with bought troops and you have to spend a day building defense up again. Its broken, we know it GGE know it but they make money off it this way so its here to stay....
(JJ.
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Sir Tainted (AU1) [None]
:: May 7, 2016, 11:53 p.m.
This would still depend on the comm coming at you, saw one yesterday that I wasn't sure was possible, we were going to defend till we went through the numbers, didn't help that the cast we were supporting wasn't like what's listed here, but holding the wall was nigh on impossible and the combined CY strength was up to 103%ang1243 (GB1) said:Defending against 6th Wave hits is easy:
How could you compete with that?
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: May 9, 2016, 2:32 a.m.
That is a sammy Cast from What I can see @ang1243 (GB1) ....
64% CY from GEMS has me going WTF though....
even with a look item 5 x LVL11 CY gems for a casta is 55 CY along with a 20% bonus form the set and 10% combat strength form the hero....
64% CY strength from GEMS.... thats telling me that your running lvl 12 & lvl13 CY gems along with a look item, those are next to impossible for the average player to get and also keep a look item with a lvl12 CY gem on it or remove it every 3 months to place on again those costs are massive.
Winged knight is on special, dont worry everyone, shortly GGE will introduce a new super super casta and defending will be a realistic thing for a small majority again
64% CY from GEMS has me going WTF though....
even with a look item 5 x LVL11 CY gems for a casta is 55 CY along with a 20% bonus form the set and 10% combat strength form the hero....
64% CY strength from GEMS.... thats telling me that your running lvl 12 & lvl13 CY gems along with a look item, those are next to impossible for the average player to get and also keep a look item with a lvl12 CY gem on it or remove it every 3 months to place on again those costs are massive.
Winged knight is on special, dont worry everyone, shortly GGE will introduce a new super super casta and defending will be a realistic thing for a small majority again
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makale (AU1) [None]
:: May 9, 2016, 2:52 a.m.
Now take into account the 80% + CY strength, things get a bit hairy then !!
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: May 9, 2016, 5:34 a.m.
@makale (AU1) your running a highlander with 42 CY from GEM's and flank+mid gems from memory ?? total of 72 CY on that comm....
Others in your alliance running forrys with 84 CY gems as well as the elementalist etc. Vast majority have at least 60CY from gems that they are running....
Most of us are running 70+ from gems these days on comm's. Its the done thing, add in wall break of 30% + FI Hero with 22% CY and then its scary. Holding the wall is a gamble against demons and armorer tools. Having a casta with 64% from gems and 20% from set along with 10% combat strength from hero, that is a bloody powerful combination. That is a casta that you would back against a 6th wave attack to survive in the keep.
Im running 2 comms with over 80 CY on them and a 3rd that will have 84% CY from gems I just need the coin for the theiving technicus. Reality is huge CY bonuses are here to stay, they cant wind it back
Others in your alliance running forrys with 84 CY gems as well as the elementalist etc. Vast majority have at least 60CY from gems that they are running....
Most of us are running 70+ from gems these days on comm's. Its the done thing, add in wall break of 30% + FI Hero with 22% CY and then its scary. Holding the wall is a gamble against demons and armorer tools. Having a casta with 64% from gems and 20% from set along with 10% combat strength from hero, that is a bloody powerful combination. That is a casta that you would back against a 6th wave attack to survive in the keep.
Im running 2 comms with over 80 CY on them and a 3rd that will have 84% CY from gems I just need the coin for the theiving technicus. Reality is huge CY bonuses are here to stay, they cant wind it back
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trivun600000098 (INT1) [None]
:: May 9, 2016, 5:46 a.m.
all 3 sides with 70-30 for melee
as much as you kill
it'll be easy in yard
as much as you kill
it'll be easy in yard
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ShadowOfEvil (GB1) [None]
:: May 9, 2016, 6:10 a.m.
Vet swords means nobody can send you melee support-theyll replace swords on wallimspecial456 (AU1) said:@trivun600000098 (INT1) lime bombs on all walls with vet swords
You might hold the wall but I'll result in more losses because you're cutting off around half of the support you can get
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trivun600000098 (INT1) [None]
:: May 9, 2016, 7:10 a.m.
well we make tips for all players with 6 waves
with 3-5k losses
its ok
with 3-5k losses
its ok
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Genghis (IN1) [None]
:: May 10, 2016, 1:41 p.m.
will the wall% increase items applicable on the construction yard help with the defense?
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Graylen (AU1) [None]
:: May 12, 2016, 9:10 a.m.
Good to see this thread still getting some comments. I would have thought the logic would have resulted in @CM Arcanine or the like deleting it. Especially as it provides useful truths on defending against 6 wave attacks.
Currently we are running at around 2.5k to 5k losses depending on the Casta and Hall settings. It aint going to change as @CM Arcanine and the rest of the team have absolutely no ability to do anything that effects the developers / balance teams thinking.
No offense but the CMs are nothing more than pacifists - no power, no influence, and up until now - no results to prove otherwise. So why should we bother.
@JJJJJJSK (AU1)
Currently we are running at around 2.5k to 5k losses depending on the Casta and Hall settings. It aint going to change as @CM Arcanine and the rest of the team have absolutely no ability to do anything that effects the developers / balance teams thinking.
No offense but the CMs are nothing more than pacifists - no power, no influence, and up until now - no results to prove otherwise. So why should we bother.
@JJJJJJSK (AU1)
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Some guy5 (GB1) [None]
:: May 12, 2016, 9:40 a.m.
What we really need is better hall bonuses for the wall itself at the lower levels of the hall. I believe the equivalent of 5th wave for defenders is something like 10% boost which is nowhere near the boost attackers gain.
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Lesky (AU1) [AU1]
:: May 12, 2016, 9:54 a.m.
120 points in defence is more than enough to hold the wall on someone with 120 points in attack...
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Philt123 (GB1) [GB1]
:: May 12, 2016, 10:14 a.m.
Truth is the defensive side of the HOL, is more than enough to off set the att side of the HOL. The problem is its pretty much never used. No one is prepared to wait a whole month before they can change back. And only the biggest whales can afford to just flick between the 2 sides.
But I have seen 6 wave attacks from 2 monster comms. crushed with less that 2000 defensive losses. Using a maxed HOL in defensive mode. (one was mine!)
But I have seen 6 wave attacks from 2 monster comms. crushed with less that 2000 defensive losses. Using a maxed HOL in defensive mode. (one was mine!)
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: May 12, 2016, 10:16 a.m.
Problem isnt the holding wall so to speak its the disparity between strengths in attack and defense....
We hold the wall with most people against 5 wavers with 0 points on defense. The problem is we have to put 12-20k in the keep because of the CY gems. In GE if you run big or respectable numbers ONE player is going to have say 12k defenders, maybe a little more maybe a little less in the outters 4k with good food production.
So in other words you need 4 players to defend one attack as a minimum in the outters sometimes more... then wall gems vs flank gems, wall you get an extra 11% from a defensive wall gem, from an attack Gem you get an extra 26% on the flank.
Same for CY, casta = 11 % CY, comm = 21% CY. as they get bigger the defense numbers go up and up and the respective gems dont give you any real advantage as they get bigger, favour is always with the attacker not the defender....
As the gems goes up the advantage goes up, we are all runnign silly gems atm, so the advantage is HUGE for the attacker. Just what it is
We hold the wall with most people against 5 wavers with 0 points on defense. The problem is we have to put 12-20k in the keep because of the CY gems. In GE if you run big or respectable numbers ONE player is going to have say 12k defenders, maybe a little more maybe a little less in the outters 4k with good food production.
So in other words you need 4 players to defend one attack as a minimum in the outters sometimes more... then wall gems vs flank gems, wall you get an extra 11% from a defensive wall gem, from an attack Gem you get an extra 26% on the flank.
Same for CY, casta = 11 % CY, comm = 21% CY. as they get bigger the defense numbers go up and up and the respective gems dont give you any real advantage as they get bigger, favour is always with the attacker not the defender....
As the gems goes up the advantage goes up, we are all runnign silly gems atm, so the advantage is HUGE for the attacker. Just what it is
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Lesky (AU1) [AU1]
:: May 14, 2016, 8:19 a.m.
JJJJJJSK (AU1) said:Problem isnt the holding wall so to speak its the disparity between strengths in attack and defense....
We hold the wall with most people against 5 wavers with 0 points on defense. The problem is we have to put 12-20k in the keep because of the CY gems. In GE if you run big or respectable numbers ONE player is going to have say 12k defenders, maybe a little more maybe a little less in the outters 4k with good food production.
So in other words you need 4 players to defend one attack as a minimum in the outters sometimes more... then wall gems vs flank gems, wall you get an extra 11% from a defensive wall gem, from an attack Gem you get an extra 26% on the flank.
Same for CY, casta = 11 % CY, comm = 21% CY. as they get bigger the defense numbers go up and up and the respective gems dont give you any real advantage as they get bigger, favour is always with the attacker not the defender....
As the gems goes up the advantage goes up, we are all runnign silly gems atm, so the advantage is HUGE for the attacker. Just what it is
whats the issue with needing 4 players to defend? I woulda thought a big part of being in an alliance would be the support you recieved from them. If these gem bonuses were even, the results would be stacked heavily on defenders side.
Idk how many 6 wavers hit u guys, pretty sure we have had 1... lol. maybe other players cop them more? all that tells me is ur in the wrong alliance. Alchemists have a nice recruiter, if you ever wanna play on the winning side, shoot him a message.
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: May 16, 2016, 2:33 p.m.
lol no issue @Lesky (AU1)
Problem is these other alliances dont defend fkn =P I think when their is ruby offers for bulk defenders and they givemore glory for defending we will see some of these alliances start to defend. Until they can bulk buy defenders, nothign will change
Until then only a few send on us, I think MrsFerg was the only one, I actually miss her, one of the better players in many respects wish she hadnt fked off ot the UK server(
Problem is these other alliances dont defend fkn =P I think when their is ruby offers for bulk defenders and they givemore glory for defending we will see some of these alliances start to defend. Until they can bulk buy defenders, nothign will change
Until then only a few send on us, I think MrsFerg was the only one, I actually miss her, one of the better players in many respects wish she hadnt fked off ot the UK server
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KKP2112 (AU1) [AU1]
:: May 18, 2016, 11:11 a.m.
@JJJJJJSK (AU1) She not even on UK server anymoreJJJJJJSK (AU1) said:lol no issue @Lesky (AU1)
Problem is these other alliances dont defend fkn =P I think when their is ruby offers for bulk defenders and they givemore glory for defending we will see some of these alliances start to defend. Until they can bulk buy defenders, nothign will change
Until then only a few send on us, I think MrsFerg was the only one, I actually miss her, one of the better players in many respects wish she hadnt fked off ot the UK server
Playing some other game but she did say maybe another month - 6 weeks she will be back. I miss her so I hope so[4420960]
JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: May 18, 2016, 11:18 a.m.
@KKP2112 (AU1) Tell her not acceptable, Seps demand her back ASAP to cause us headaches.KKP2112 (AU1) said:
@JJJJJJSK (AU1) She not even on UK server anymore
Bede for one misses her close range hits agains his OP Flesheap with no-one being able to support and just in general the mayhem that she is capable of causing was fun to deal with.
Its funny TBH, never know a good thing until its gone sometimes. Even when its a bad good thing that you curse because being MrsFerg it causes you headaches lol.
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perryl (US1) [US1]
:: May 18, 2016, 11:57 a.m.
I'd firecast a 4 wave attack.
6 wave attacks can be defended, but losses will be high.
This is the best defense for all attacks.
That is all.
6 wave attacks can be defended, but losses will be high.
trivun600000098 (INT1) said:all 3 sides with 70-30 for melee
as much as you kill
it'll be easy in yard
This is the best defense for all attacks.
That is all.