Forum: empire-en
Board: [818] General Discussion
Topic: [302528] 6 wave defenses? Anyone?
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Lesky (AU1) [AU1]
:: May 19, 2016, 12:35 a.m.
Graylen (AU1) said:Currently we are running at around 2.5k to 5k losses depending on the Casta and Hall settings. It aint going to change as @CM Arcanine and the rest of the team have absolutely no ability to do anything that effects the developers / balance teams thinking.
Idk what 6 wavers ur versing where ur getting 2.5k-5k losses lol
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: May 19, 2016, 3:30 a.m.
You will have to send another attack out @Lesky (AU1) for testing of this theory.
@Graylen (AU1) said 2.5 - 5k so I think you should go him, he sorta saying, pick me pick me
Although @IrinaH (AU1) does have her hall in defense atm, or as of a week or fortnight ago so that would be a tough one to get over TBH.
Lets face it, clawking + invincible.... no-one is defending you atm mate so we are not going to find out. Could always go me but im bad at Defense as we have discussed before =P
@Graylen (AU1) said 2.5 - 5k so I think you should go him, he sorta saying, pick me pick me
Although @IrinaH (AU1) does have her hall in defense atm, or as of a week or fortnight ago so that would be a tough one to get over TBH.
Lets face it, clawking + invincible.... no-one is defending you atm mate so we are not going to find out. Could always go me but im bad at Defense as we have discussed before =P
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Lesky (AU1) [AU1]
:: May 19, 2016, 1:26 p.m.
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KKP2112 (AU1) [AU1]
:: May 20, 2016, 4:01 a.m.
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: May 20, 2016, 4:03 a.m.
lol @Lesky (AU1), ive been sending mega povo attacks where people can hold middle and they are takign a flank (NFI why either) just cause my troops wont die, actually waited on 2 different people for them to put out fires before sending....
Sent one of them coin speed even because I didnt want to waste a feather and all =D Ive got this thing against using demons on events because im meant to send them at people and all.... But we get so many freebie demons its cray
Sent one of them coin speed even because I didnt want to waste a feather and all =D Ive got this thing against using demons on events because im meant to send them at people and all.... But we get so many freebie demons its cray
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KKP2112 (AU1) [AU1]
:: May 20, 2016, 11:51 a.m.
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: May 23, 2016, 9:42 a.m.
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Lesky (AU1) [AU1]
:: May 23, 2016, 2:48 p.m.
KKP2112 (AU1) said:
Thats nice, I'd like to have a crack at defending one at some stage. My strike rate at defending 6 wavers is 100% lol.
But as @Graylen (AU1) said, you guys are getting 2.5-5k against 6 wavers. I sent 6 waves, ur player was online to adjust his cast/setup. and he lost 10k. maybe that was because of support numbers, his cast woulda been at least half decent.
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: May 23, 2016, 3:02 p.m.
Oh @Lesky (AU1) lol....
My strike rate defending 6 wavers is 0%, I think you have seen some of those reports as well. Had a few massive bloody losses as well from the few times I've been on the receiving end either supporting or defending. I dont coun't loosing 5k in the keep as a win, technical but yea its not a win...
Ive got 4k vet demons im saving for when I get 6th wave, soon to be 5k vet demons, can't build the bloody hall fast enough though getting hard to feed them all :S. Not sure who ill send 6 waves at but im leaning more and more to not actually using it unless the person calls for it. TBH none from Franks have really called for it. MrsFerg will get 6 waves, Even then, she always sent 6 waves of remoreseless, what made her scary was she recruited hard, wasnt the demons as it was only ever reward demons. Other than MrsFerg no-one has really done anything to make me want to go down the path of pain and it does flow both ways. Even then sending 6 waves of Vet Demons feels over the top because sure MrsFerg had some demons but mostly remoreseless so hording them for her just doesnt feel right.
Ill figure it out when I get there. Also @KKP2112 (AU1), your casta is the one I would defend against Lesky with all my defenders no matter what, I think it was closer to 70% you were running last time I esped it with the look item and all, been a while. Either way impressive numbers and gives you a half chance in the keep.
For me, I admit with no shame, tool rake and firecasta FTW. With the clause im not tool raking when people attack into a real casta now only when they attack into a tool raker set up, people send at a real casta and ill just firecasta they can keep their tools. That has been in place for a fair while yet people still attack into tool rkaer set ups and then have a cry about it afterwards.
My strike rate defending 6 wavers is 0%, I think you have seen some of those reports as well. Had a few massive bloody losses as well from the few times I've been on the receiving end either supporting or defending. I dont coun't loosing 5k in the keep as a win, technical but yea its not a win...
Ive got 4k vet demons im saving for when I get 6th wave, soon to be 5k vet demons, can't build the bloody hall fast enough though getting hard to feed them all :S. Not sure who ill send 6 waves at but im leaning more and more to not actually using it unless the person calls for it. TBH none from Franks have really called for it. MrsFerg will get 6 waves, Even then, she always sent 6 waves of remoreseless, what made her scary was she recruited hard, wasnt the demons as it was only ever reward demons. Other than MrsFerg no-one has really done anything to make me want to go down the path of pain and it does flow both ways. Even then sending 6 waves of Vet Demons feels over the top because sure MrsFerg had some demons but mostly remoreseless so hording them for her just doesnt feel right.
Ill figure it out when I get there. Also @KKP2112 (AU1), your casta is the one I would defend against Lesky with all my defenders no matter what, I think it was closer to 70% you were running last time I esped it with the look item and all, been a while. Either way impressive numbers and gives you a half chance in the keep.
For me, I admit with no shame, tool rake and firecasta FTW. With the clause im not tool raking when people attack into a real casta now only when they attack into a tool raker set up, people send at a real casta and ill just firecasta they can keep their tools. That has been in place for a fair while yet people still attack into tool rkaer set ups and then have a cry about it afterwards.
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Lesky (AU1) [AU1]
:: May 23, 2016, 3:12 p.m.
@JJJJJJSK (AU1) i always base the success of my attack/defence off the kill/death ratio... but there needs to be something that's universally recognised as being a successful defend against a proper 6 wave attack. I was happy for franks that they were getting under 5k losses against 6 wavers.
My comms are probably better than average, would like to think i was going to drop at least 5k against a successful defend. When kkp is ready to defend, ill give this casta you keep raving about a test drive
My comms are probably better than average, would like to think i was going to drop at least 5k against a successful defend. When kkp is ready to defend, ill give this casta you keep raving about a test drive
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: May 23, 2016, 3:21 p.m.
@Lesky (AU1)
I rate everything on K/D ratio nothing else. As soon as I send tools on an attack I am accepting that I have lost them every time, to do it any other way is just stupidity. When I start wanting them back then its when im running out and then I should probably stop sending off attacks.
@ang1243 (GB1) (Sorry if it wasnt you mate) had a sammy casta with 64% from Gems he posted a link to so in total 84% CY strength, yea your not goign to win the wall but you have a fighting chance in the keep with those stats. @KKP2112 (AU1) is runing the winged buttsucker with around 38 from CY gems, so set bonus in total around 68Cy strength.
Against a highlande with 84% from gems, 10% from hall 12% combat strength, wall break and invincible... Claw king still imnot sure but yea, it hurts no matter what.
196?? combat strength in the keep and your going to be putting 2.5k in there minimum because yoru not a potato on tools. Thing is sending those demosn at someone you would want them to deserve it.... Unless you just cant feed them then its sort of different
I rate everything on K/D ratio nothing else. As soon as I send tools on an attack I am accepting that I have lost them every time, to do it any other way is just stupidity. When I start wanting them back then its when im running out and then I should probably stop sending off attacks.
@ang1243 (GB1) (Sorry if it wasnt you mate) had a sammy casta with 64% from Gems he posted a link to so in total 84% CY strength, yea your not goign to win the wall but you have a fighting chance in the keep with those stats. @KKP2112 (AU1) is runing the winged buttsucker with around 38 from CY gems, so set bonus in total around 68Cy strength.
Against a highlande with 84% from gems, 10% from hall 12% combat strength, wall break and invincible... Claw king still imnot sure but yea, it hurts no matter what.
196?? combat strength in the keep and your going to be putting 2.5k in there minimum because yoru not a potato on tools. Thing is sending those demosn at someone you would want them to deserve it.... Unless you just cant feed them then its sort of different
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: May 23, 2016, 3:24 p.m.
It was ang....ang1243 (GB1) said:Defending against 6th Wave hits is easy:
Yea 90/90 with 10% combat strength and 84% from CY gems/set. Wont hold the wall but in reality, wtf will against your set up @Lesky (AU1). This is the only way to defend against 6 waves.
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Lesky (AU1) [AU1]
:: May 23, 2016, 3:50 p.m.
Yeah that cast is impressive. my winged is 78%, can increase another 5% now but i dont really see the point lol.
Dunno if anyone has tried wall gems, i can get like 60+% wall bonus on a cast. with a look item i can go to 70+
My maths isnt the best but thats gotta be about 550 defenders on the wall. basic 90 melee cast and ur taking 30% of the incoming CY bonus away. even better if that comes from holding middle
Dunno if anyone has tried wall gems, i can get like 60+% wall bonus on a cast. with a look item i can go to 70+
My maths isnt the best but thats gotta be about 550 defenders on the wall. basic 90 melee cast and ur taking 30% of the incoming CY bonus away. even better if that comes from holding middle
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: May 23, 2016, 4:05 p.m.
want me to send an attack so you feel loved @Lesky (AU1)
condition being nothing sent in return lol.
condition being nothing sent in return lol.
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KKP2112 (AU1) [AU1]
:: May 23, 2016, 4:13 p.m.
Nah see I have a new policy.
I don't give a S!*% anymore!
I will rake anyone and everyone because I am not feeding people glory or their egos anymore.
It took 4 attacks from a SC player to realise this about me now they then went after Irina after but she worth defending.
I don't give a S!*% anymore!
I will rake anyone and everyone because I am not feeding people glory or their egos anymore.
It took 4 attacks from a SC player to realise this about me now they then went after Irina after but she worth defending.
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: May 23, 2016, 4:22 p.m.
See I can go with I don't give a S!*%.... but in reality only works for so long and against certain people. I CBF getting tool raked myself but if that is your defense I can always make you defend, have a preferance for people not raking me so made a choice not to do it in some situations, IE, when im sending support to someone else and it was a real casta that the person is attackign.
However if people are stupid enough to attack into a tool rake set up as they keep doing, I dont give a flying.
Yea she has her hall on defense as well @KKP2112 (AU1) and her ice casta is fully teched ??
I think schoe got shutdown at Irinahs place. Someone did, they were not happy lol.
However if people are stupid enough to attack into a tool rake set up as they keep doing, I dont give a flying.
Yea she has her hall on defense as well @KKP2112 (AU1) and her ice casta is fully teched ??
I think schoe got shutdown at Irinahs place. Someone did, they were not happy lol.
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perryl (US1) [US1]
:: May 23, 2016, 5:22 p.m.
I expect to kill 2/1 on an attack.
I expect to lose less than 1/1 on defense. That being said, losing 3k to an attack with 3k troops like Lesky would send.. I still have trouble calling that a win. lol.
I don't consider it a win to lose 2k troops, forget about 5k. I do consider it a win when you lose more tools than I do troops. If you catch my drift.
I'm not satisfied with anything less than 2/1 when attacking and losing the attack. If that makes sense.
Basically, if you defend then I better kill twice the troops I send, or more. If I do then I consider that a win. I don't send any tooled hit at a live player that I don't expect to actually lose all troops on. So, if I consider you an easy target I won't use tools on you at all, you're not worth tools. I'll just attack the undefended walls and beat you in the courtyard. With those attacks I'm satisfied with 1/1, but those are usually macemen. You'd be surprised how many people lose to macemen.
I expect to lose less than 1/1 on defense. That being said, losing 3k to an attack with 3k troops like Lesky would send.. I still have trouble calling that a win. lol.
I don't consider it a win to lose 2k troops, forget about 5k. I do consider it a win when you lose more tools than I do troops. If you catch my drift.
I'm not satisfied with anything less than 2/1 when attacking and losing the attack. If that makes sense.
Basically, if you defend then I better kill twice the troops I send, or more. If I do then I consider that a win. I don't send any tooled hit at a live player that I don't expect to actually lose all troops on. So, if I consider you an easy target I won't use tools on you at all, you're not worth tools. I'll just attack the undefended walls and beat you in the courtyard. With those attacks I'm satisfied with 1/1, but those are usually macemen. You'd be surprised how many people lose to macemen.
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: May 23, 2016, 5:26 p.m.
yea 2 to 1 on an attack works nicely, good ratio and you can call it a win, on defense, 1/1 or 1.5/1, you loose anything more and you have defended when you shouldn't have.perryl (US1) said:I expect to kill 2/1 on an attack.
I expect to lose less than 1/1 on defense. That being said, losing 3k to an attack with 3k troops like Lesky would send.. I still have trouble calling that a win. lol.
I don't consider it a win to lose 2k troops, forget about 5k. I do consider it a win when you lose more tools than I do troops. If you catch my drift.
Regarding macemen, no I wouldnt lol, throw in some xbows and keep the balance right for the CY mate
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KKP2112 (AU1) [AU1]
:: May 24, 2016, 3:13 a.m.
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Lesky (AU1) [AU1]
:: May 24, 2016, 8:18 a.m.
KKP2112 (AU1) said:
why u still play?