Forum: empire-en

Board: [818] General Discussion

Topic: [311646] Are we also partly to blame? [RVs will be main focus point]

[4473113] perryl (US1) [US1] :: June 29, 2016, 10:40 a.m.

TurtleHunter (AU1) said:

i personally do not like the idea but calling people stupid doesn't mean anything. Iota just brought up a valid argument which we have decided we do no like. @jim3doors (AU1), not going to help calling Iota stupid, some people are not lazy. i have met people far from it they just don't know exactly what they are doing. helping rather than insulting will work better. look around, so many people have posted and you are one of the only ones being insulting. perhaps bring iit down a little. @ CM Arcanine. can you please close this thread soon.

Why should he close it? You don't have to partake in this conversation if you don't want to.

There is no good reason to close it. If Iota is the intelligent person he tries to pretend to be then he won't be offended by someone who makes mistakes with basic English.

He has ignored all valid arguments and hasn't even responded to 90% of the points thrown at him. He has been a smartass the entire time while continuously proving to us he doesn't know a damn thing.

He knows how to use an apostrophe. *golf clap*

[4473114] schneider (AU1) [None] :: June 29, 2016, 10:40 a.m.

perryl (US1) said:

schneider (AU1) said:

i have money and internet bperryl (US1) said:

schneider (AU1) said:

How do u reply lol?

but anyways, thats my point exactly, we wont have any RVs anymore, if u guys just took them all and we tried to take it, we would all get burned and this is the sort of DOnald Trump Bullshit we are talking about now

I don't cap anybody's RVs. I'm fine with that, but I'm also fully ready to take every RV in sight too.

schneider (AU1) said:

and we non gemmers dont have the sort of time and money u guys have. We play casually for fun and there wont be much of it when we are getting hammered down by you guys. 

The funny thing is that all my gems were free. All my equipment - free. I spent significantly less than you all think I do. I just time my purchases very carefully and always buy during an event bonus or relevant special.

I've won Sams and Nomads each several times with 30 dollars each time.

If you can afford internet then you can afford to spend as much as I do. My play is casual, but I do log in daily. Truth is, if you can't afford to spend $30 on the game occasionally then you probably can't afford the time it takes to play. My time is worth significantly more than the money I spent on this game in that same amount of time. If I'm going to carve out 4 hours to hit then the 30 dollars I spend on bonus is the least of my concerns. I don't know what your time is worth, but I suspect it's worth more than 10 dollars an hour.

I have money and internet but i dont have like 4h time to play this game. I have school believe it or not. But yes i have been a victim of untooled macemen attacks but see hwo it goes when you have no more opponents. take this into mind. Over the years i have been playing, the players have been dwindling not increasing, i wonder why eh?

If you can't muster up 4 hours occasionally to play the game then why are you even complaining? Clearly, you already know the problem.

School takes up 24 hours of your day? Wow. That's a crappy school. Would you believe I have businesses to run and things I do with my life too? Who knew.

If you can't defend against untooled macemen attacks it's because you don't have a good offline setup or you don't understand how to defend.

Several people have successfully defended. When they do I end up taking out like 2 troops. Not my fault you don't know how to defend, are not active enough to defend, and don't have an alliance that will notify you of incoming.

Hit me with a real attack and I will get a text message. I don't need to be online.

If you can't carve out 4 hours for hitting then, again, why are you even complaining? The game is on for 24 hours a day, the events are always there, what excuse do you even have? None. None at all. You complain that active players play the game when you can't because you're too busy with school after school. That's not our problem.

yeh well maybe i dont work on a farm like you do and can be home whenever i want. But thats not the point. It benefits the best players and thats all. Its all game to u whenever you feel like it. We are just the guys that supply you with your needs. We dont want that kinda crap here. Just fair play and thats alll we ask for

[4473117] Rabel (INT3) [INT3] :: June 29, 2016, 10:41 a.m.

[4473120] perryl (US1) [US1] :: June 29, 2016, 10:45 a.m.

schneider (AU1) said:

perryl (US1) said:

schneider (AU1) said:

i have money and internet bperryl (US1) said:

schneider (AU1) said:

How do u reply lol?

but anyways, thats my point exactly, we wont have any RVs anymore, if u guys just took them all and we tried to take it, we would all get burned and this is the sort of DOnald Trump Bullshit we are talking about now

I don't cap anybody's RVs. I'm fine with that, but I'm also fully ready to take every RV in sight too.

schneider (AU1) said:

and we non gemmers dont have the sort of time and money u guys have. We play casually for fun and there wont be much of it when we are getting hammered down by you guys. 

The funny thing is that all my gems were free. All my equipment - free. I spent significantly less than you all think I do. I just time my purchases very carefully and always buy during an event bonus or relevant special.

I've won Sams and Nomads each several times with 30 dollars each time.

If you can afford internet then you can afford to spend as much as I do. My play is casual, but I do log in daily. Truth is, if you can't afford to spend $30 on the game occasionally then you probably can't afford the time it takes to play. My time is worth significantly more than the money I spent on this game in that same amount of time. If I'm going to carve out 4 hours to hit then the 30 dollars I spend on bonus is the least of my concerns. I don't know what your time is worth, but I suspect it's worth more than 10 dollars an hour.

I have money and internet but i dont have like 4h time to play this game. I have school believe it or not. But yes i have been a victim of untooled macemen attacks but see hwo it goes when you have no more opponents. take this into mind. Over the years i have been playing, the players have been dwindling not increasing, i wonder why eh?

If you can't muster up 4 hours occasionally to play the game then why are you even complaining? Clearly, you already know the problem.

School takes up 24 hours of your day? Wow. That's a crappy school. Would you believe I have businesses to run and things I do with my life too? Who knew.

If you can't defend against untooled macemen attacks it's because you don't have a good offline setup or you don't understand how to defend.

Several people have successfully defended. When they do I end up taking out like 2 troops. Not my fault you don't know how to defend, are not active enough to defend, and don't have an alliance that will notify you of incoming.

Hit me with a real attack and I will get a text message. I don't need to be online.

If you can't carve out 4 hours for hitting then, again, why are you even complaining? The game is on for 24 hours a day, the events are always there, what excuse do you even have? None. None at all. You complain that active players play the game when you can't because you're too busy with school after school. That's not our problem.

yeh well maybe i dont work on a farm like you do and can be home whenever i want. But thats not the point. It benefits the best players and thats all. Its all game to u whenever you feel like it. We are just the guys that supply you with your needs. We dont want that kinda crap here. Just fair play and thats alll we ask for

I live in a city. Pretty hard to have a farm in a townhouse. Want to see my beautiful deck and no yard? I do have a small garden on the deck. Mostly hot peppers.

You said you go to school. School ends, and then what? Sounds like bad excuses to me.

What benefits the best players? RVs being anon? Yeah. I know. Weird that weak players are the ones pushing for it and the strong players are the ones pushing against it. We're trying to maintain the fair play and you guys are asking us to remove a fair play rule that was put in place to protect you. We're saying "go for it but you'll regret it", and explaining why.

You don't supply me with anything. I have no need to hit you, you have no idea what it looks like to have me on your incoming because if I've ever hit you it's been once or twice and very spaced out. If I wanted to be unfair i would be hitting you every 3 hours (or less if you're level 70).

I don't even know who you are.

You don't want strong players to play the game as the active players they are while people like you, who are too busy to play the game, type on forums for 2 hours. Seems legit.

[4473126] schneider (AU1) [None] :: June 29, 2016, 10:57 a.m.

perryl (US1) said:

schneider (AU1) said:

perryl (US1) said:

schneider (AU1) said:

i have money and internet bperryl (US1) said:

schneider (AU1) said:

How do u reply lol?

but anyways, thats my point exactly, we wont have any RVs anymore, if u guys just took them all and we tried to take it, we would all get burned and this is the sort of DOnald Trump Bullshit we are talking about now

I don't cap anybody's RVs. I'm fine with that, but I'm also fully ready to take every RV in sight too.

schneider (AU1) said:

and we non gemmers dont have the sort of time and money u guys have. We play casually for fun and there wont be much of it when we are getting hammered down by you guys. 

The funny thing is that all my gems were free. All my equipment - free. I spent significantly less than you all think I do. I just time my purchases very carefully and always buy during an event bonus or relevant special.

I've won Sams and Nomads each several times with 30 dollars each time.

If you can afford internet then you can afford to spend as much as I do. My play is casual, but I do log in daily. Truth is, if you can't afford to spend $30 on the game occasionally then you probably can't afford the time it takes to play. My time is worth significantly more than the money I spent on this game in that same amount of time. If I'm going to carve out 4 hours to hit then the 30 dollars I spend on bonus is the least of my concerns. I don't know what your time is worth, but I suspect it's worth more than 10 dollars an hour.

I have money and internet but i dont have like 4h time to play this game. I have school believe it or not. But yes i have been a victim of untooled macemen attacks but see hwo it goes when you have no more opponents. take this into mind. Over the years i have been playing, the players have been dwindling not increasing, i wonder why eh?

If you can't muster up 4 hours occasionally to play the game then why are you even complaining? Clearly, you already know the problem.

School takes up 24 hours of your day? Wow. That's a crappy school. Would you believe I have businesses to run and things I do with my life too? Who knew.

If you can't defend against untooled macemen attacks it's because you don't have a good offline setup or you don't understand how to defend.

Several people have successfully defended. When they do I end up taking out like 2 troops. Not my fault you don't know how to defend, are not active enough to defend, and don't have an alliance that will notify you of incoming.

Hit me with a real attack and I will get a text message. I don't need to be online.

If you can't carve out 4 hours for hitting then, again, why are you even complaining? The game is on for 24 hours a day, the events are always there, what excuse do you even have? None. None at all. You complain that active players play the game when you can't because you're too busy with school after school. That's not our problem.

yeh well maybe i dont work on a farm like you do and can be home whenever i want. But thats not the point. It benefits the best players and thats all. Its all game to u whenever you feel like it. We are just the guys that supply you with your needs. We dont want that kinda crap here. Just fair play and thats alll we ask for

I live in a city. Pretty hard to have a farm in a townhouse. Want to see my beautiful deck and no yard? I do have a small garden on the deck. Mostly hot peppers.

You said you go to school. School ends, and then what? Sounds like bad excuses to me.

What benefits the best players? RVs being anon? Yeah. I know. Weird that weak players are the ones pushing for it and the strong players are the ones pushing against it. We're trying to maintain the fair play and you guys are asking us to remove a fair play rule that was put in place to protect you. We're saying "go for it but you'll regret it", and explaining why.

You don't supply me with anything. I have no need to hit you, you have no idea what it looks like to have me on your incoming because if I've ever hit you it's been once or twice and very spaced out. If I wanted to be unfair i would be hitting you every 3 hours (or less if you're level 70).

I don't even know who you are.

You don't want strong players to play the game as the active players they are while people like you, who are too busy to play the game, type on forums for 2 hours. Seems legit.

Funny you should say that. Look at my forum stats ))

[4473128] TurtleHunter (AU1) [AU1] :: June 29, 2016, 11 a.m.

perryl has a point schneider.the stronger players are pushing against it and it has protected the weaker players like myself for many years. probably not a good idea to break the peace and turn a trivial matter into an all out war. they have been good about it generally. no point in a war in every other realm than the great empire. it will destroy the weak players and the strong players will get all the rvs rather than just the ones they have. a war isn't going to fix anything as it will involve whole alliances and their pact alliances smashing their weak opponents. i give up on this freaking bad idea anyway. i have 2 food rvs, i don't even give a damn about them. i hold them for the alliance and no-one else. doesn't mean a damn thing at all...

[4473130] ShadowOfEvil (GB1) [None] :: June 29, 2016, 11:04 a.m.

Yep, I personally think this idea would benefit ruby whales more then the rest of us...they have the defense troops to defend at the very least their food RVs as well as the offense to be easily capable of taking whatever RV they want..........the rest of us don't have the troops to defend our rvs...........

[4473134] perryl (US1) [US1] :: June 29, 2016, 11:08 a.m.

schneider (AU1) said:

perryl (US1) said:

schneider (AU1) said:

perryl (US1) said:

schneider (AU1) said:

i have money and internet bperryl (US1) said:

schneider (AU1) said:

How do u reply lol?

but anyways, thats my point exactly, we wont have any RVs anymore, if u guys just took them all and we tried to take it, we would all get burned and this is the sort of DOnald Trump Bullshit we are talking about now

I don't cap anybody's RVs. I'm fine with that, but I'm also fully ready to take every RV in sight too.

schneider (AU1) said:

and we non gemmers dont have the sort of time and money u guys have. We play casually for fun and there wont be much of it when we are getting hammered down by you guys. 

The funny thing is that all my gems were free. All my equipment - free. I spent significantly less than you all think I do. I just time my purchases very carefully and always buy during an event bonus or relevant special.

I've won Sams and Nomads each several times with 30 dollars each time.

If you can afford internet then you can afford to spend as much as I do. My play is casual, but I do log in daily. Truth is, if you can't afford to spend $30 on the game occasionally then you probably can't afford the time it takes to play. My time is worth significantly more than the money I spent on this game in that same amount of time. If I'm going to carve out 4 hours to hit then the 30 dollars I spend on bonus is the least of my concerns. I don't know what your time is worth, but I suspect it's worth more than 10 dollars an hour.

I have money and internet but i dont have like 4h time to play this game. I have school believe it or not. But yes i have been a victim of untooled macemen attacks but see hwo it goes when you have no more opponents. take this into mind. Over the years i have been playing, the players have been dwindling not increasing, i wonder why eh?

If you can't muster up 4 hours occasionally to play the game then why are you even complaining? Clearly, you already know the problem.

School takes up 24 hours of your day? Wow. That's a crappy school. Would you believe I have businesses to run and things I do with my life too? Who knew.

If you can't defend against untooled macemen attacks it's because you don't have a good offline setup or you don't understand how to defend.

Several people have successfully defended. When they do I end up taking out like 2 troops. Not my fault you don't know how to defend, are not active enough to defend, and don't have an alliance that will notify you of incoming.

Hit me with a real attack and I will get a text message. I don't need to be online.

If you can't carve out 4 hours for hitting then, again, why are you even complaining? The game is on for 24 hours a day, the events are always there, what excuse do you even have? None. None at all. You complain that active players play the game when you can't because you're too busy with school after school. That's not our problem.

yeh well maybe i dont work on a farm like you do and can be home whenever i want. But thats not the point. It benefits the best players and thats all. Its all game to u whenever you feel like it. We are just the guys that supply you with your needs. We dont want that kinda crap here. Just fair play and thats alll we ask for

I live in a city. Pretty hard to have a farm in a townhouse. Want to see my beautiful deck and no yard? I do have a small garden on the deck. Mostly hot peppers.

You said you go to school. School ends, and then what? Sounds like bad excuses to me.

What benefits the best players? RVs being anon? Yeah. I know. Weird that weak players are the ones pushing for it and the strong players are the ones pushing against it. We're trying to maintain the fair play and you guys are asking us to remove a fair play rule that was put in place to protect you. We're saying "go for it but you'll regret it", and explaining why.

You don't supply me with anything. I have no need to hit you, you have no idea what it looks like to have me on your incoming because if I've ever hit you it's been once or twice and very spaced out. If I wanted to be unfair i would be hitting you every 3 hours (or less if you're level 70).

I don't even know who you are.

You don't want strong players to play the game as the active players they are while people like you, who are too busy to play the game, type on forums for 2 hours. Seems legit.

Funny you should say that. Look at my forum stats ))

Irrelevant, the point is that you've been here the last 2 hours. Plenty of time. You could have won a Nomads by now. Especially if you don't buy, you said you don't buy. That means you get 200% bonus popping up. You buy during that + tab booster? Easy win for 20 dollars!

[4473143] perryl (US1) [US1] :: June 29, 2016, 11:13 a.m.

ShadowOfEvil (GB1) said:

Yep, I personally think this idea would benefit ruby whales more then the rest of us...they have the defense troops to defend at the very least their food RVs as well as the offense to be easily capable of taking whatever RV they want..........the rest of us don't have the troops to defend our rvs...........

If it was my game I would simply add a parameter that allowed for a random RV spawn to occur if one had not occurred for X. X would probably be different for each realm.

Easy fix. Inject more RVs. Problem solved. Assuming the problem is the difficulty of obtaining RVs.

If the problem is considered the lack of fighting over RVs then you would simply add an achievement for taking from enemy alliances. Really, if they want us to war more all they have to do is one thing.

Stop spamming us with events.

[4473144] ShadowOfEvil (GB1) [None] :: June 29, 2016, 11:15 a.m.

perryl (US1) said:

ShadowOfEvil (GB1) said:

Yep, I personally think this idea would benefit ruby whales more then the rest of us...they have the defense troops to defend at the very least their food RVs as well as the offense to be easily capable of taking whatever RV they want..........the rest of us don't have the troops to defend our rvs...........

If it was my game I would simply add a parameter that allowed for a random RV spawn to occur if one had not occurred for X. X would probably be different for each realm.

Easy fix. Inject more RVs. Problem solved. Assuming the problem is the difficulty of obtaining RVs.

If the problem is considered the lack of fighting over RVs then you would simply add an achievement for taking from enemy alliances. Really, if they want us to war more all they have to do is one thing.

Stop spamming us with events.

Yep and odd event is nice but when there literally on all the time, it gets annoying......especially FL, why would you attack a player after all when you can more easily get tons of glory off FLs

[4473146] mikesmight123 (GB1) [GB1] :: June 29, 2016, 11:15 a.m.

Fair play rules were implemented for a reason, I am 100% behind perryl and shadow, I sincerely hope that GGS leaves rvs the way they are and none of these suggestions are implemented.

[4473148] perryl (US1) [US1] :: June 29, 2016, 11:26 a.m.

ShadowOfEvil (GB1) said:

perryl (US1) said:

ShadowOfEvil (GB1) said:

Yep, I personally think this idea would benefit ruby whales more then the rest of us...they have the defense troops to defend at the very least their food RVs as well as the offense to be easily capable of taking whatever RV they want..........the rest of us don't have the troops to defend our rvs...........

If it was my game I would simply add a parameter that allowed for a random RV spawn to occur if one had not occurred for X. X would probably be different for each realm.

Easy fix. Inject more RVs. Problem solved. Assuming the problem is the difficulty of obtaining RVs.

If the problem is considered the lack of fighting over RVs then you would simply add an achievement for taking from enemy alliances. Really, if they want us to war more all they have to do is one thing.

Stop spamming us with events.

Yep and odd event is nice but when there literally on all the time, it gets annoying......especially FL, why would you attack a player after all when you can more easily get tons of glory off FLs

Forget that.

We have WoR, Thorn, Nomads, Spring, Marauders, Traveling Knights, Nobility, and Wheel all at the same time. No TKs today, whatever though. You get the idea. Also not Marauders today, it's actually Colossus. Further illustrating my point.

According to the Spring Event we'll have Beri too? It's possible for outer Beri to spawn too?

I mean. Come on. We were already event-weary when the events were back to back. Their solution? Add a monthlong event that is play-restrictive. Do you know what that means @CM Arcanine @CM Popeye ? That means players spend less time playing to try and balance their time with boosters. It means less interaction with the game. My spending has decreased by so much, and I started playing more servers! My spending still went down. Not because they fixed a paywall exploit. Not just because they made everything easier, but because I am forced to stop when I hit a certain point threshold to make sure I win/finish where I want to. Instead of actually playing daily I can just play a couple of times a month. As long as I do the bare minimum of food looting. It means I can play more servers and spend less money. If that was the intent? Great job. I doubt it was though. By making the game easier for the non-paying/less active players you have made the game boring for the paying/active players.

I have no doubt that some players spend more money and that overall this results in more income for them. It must, right? I mean why else would they do it. All I know is that I am definitely spending less, and at least 3 people I can think of that used to spend more than me are also spending less, if not less than I am now. Time and money.

We have no reason to war other players. None at all. It makes more sense to war with Nomads/Sams/FLs/Bears/Lions/Tigers(coming soon)/alliance cities.

I think this contributes to players leaving far more than my hits do.

[4473154] TurtleHunter (AU1) [AU1] :: June 29, 2016, 11:39 a.m.

I know this would be really hard but I think ggs needs to stop introducing new things for a long time yet. you given us a whole heap of new stuff, now revert to the good old days and leave it for 6 months or more. sounds good to me!

[4473711] Clexafan8 (US1) [US1] :: June 29, 2016, 11:23 p.m.

yes it is very much possible to maintain a decent sized army in the other realms without rvs. If you hit the towers there often then enough you can keep your troops in food, as well as build enough high public order decorations and farms/graneries there you can more then handle it.besides without regularly looting in those realms you wont be able to hold and maintain those rvs.

If you are unable to maintain even the smallest of armies in those other realms how are you even going to hope to hold onto those rv's you are so desperate to have? 

[4473713] jim3doors (AU1) [None] :: June 29, 2016, 11:29 p.m.

TurtleHunter (AU1) said:

i personally do not like the idea but calling people stupid doesn't mean anything. Iota just brought up a valid argument which we have decided we do no like. @jim3doors (AU1), not going to help calling Iota stupid, some people are not lazy. i have met people far from it they just don't know exactly what they are doing. helping rather than insulting will work better. look around, so many people have posted and you are one of the only ones being insulting. perhaps bring iit down a little. @ CM Arcanine. can you please close this thread soon.

Yea maybe i was over the top with my opening line, the rest still stands.

Sorry Pavi

[4473800] GibbyofOz (AU1) [AU1] :: June 30, 2016, 3:19 a.m.

imspecial456 (US1) said:

@FabulousLaura (AU1) its not about the achievement, its about the difference between 3k and 10k food production with RVs.

Agree with that (I haven't checked the numbers but simple fact is we want food rv's for the troops).  Many of us don't care for the achievements because we're not going to spend the rubies on them anyway.

The whole RV concept was flawed to begin with.  It relied more on luck than anything.  If there was a spawn (and how often do we see those now), you had to be online at the right time and close enough to get one when they spawned before the ruby buyers were all over it.  Big alliances got them and small alliances or solo players missed out. 

The advantage of the current system of in-house rules is simply that it works.  I want to play the game, not daily have to reclaim rv's. 

If the devs want to make a 'fair' system, then simply wipe the whole concept/setup and make rv's a quest based event (like they do with the deco items in GE).  That way everyone gets to have them if they work toward getting them and GGE gets to make money out of ruby purchases for tools and troops as players can now actually compete in kingdoms.

[4473810] Iota (AU1) [None] :: June 30, 2016, 4:08 a.m.

All this hate directed at me and yet no one seems to realize I didn't make these suggestions.
I made a rant about how much the game has changed and then I get the hate thrown at me for suggestions I didn't even make.

All I've done is agree with some points people have made that a majority don't.
I fail to see how this makes me a bad guy.

Just because I made the thread, doesn't mean it was my idea.

"I also know that some of you are going to argue with me which is fine, I'm just voicing my opinion which should be welcome."

[4473868] TurtleHunter (AU1) [AU1] :: June 30, 2016, 6:47 a.m.

this whole rant has gone on for 6 pages. Iota, not only directed at you it is becoming more of a full scale argument than friendly discussion hence why i suggested closing the thread

[4473983] perryl (US1) [US1] :: June 30, 2016, 9:20 a.m.

Iota (AU1) said:

All this hate directed at me and yet no one seems to realize I didn't make these suggestions.
I made a rant about how much the game has changed and then I get the hate thrown at me for suggestions I didn't even make.

All I've done is agree with some points people have made that a majority don't.
I fail to see how this makes me a bad guy.

Just because I made the thread, doesn't mean it was my idea.

"I also know that some of you are going to argue with me which is fine, I'm just voicing my opinion which should be welcome."

Backpedal much? Bet you would have no problem taking credit for it if people were agreeing with you. lol

TurtleHunter (AU1) said:

this whole rant has gone on for 6 pages. Iota, not only directed at you it is becoming more of a full scale argument than friendly discussion hence why i suggested closing the thread

Closing the thread is a terrible idea. Little kids that can't handle disagreements shouldn't spend their time on forums in the first place.

[4475857] NoblemanRoss (AU1) [AU1] :: July 1, 2016, 12:08 p.m.