Poseidon said:

Your math is incorrect because you over simplified the way losses are calculated.

Poseidon said:

Your math is incorrect because you over simplified the way losses are calculated

 10% attack strength every 2 waves and minus 10% from ranged defenders every 3 waves is not stronger than 12% attack strength for all units on every wave and an extra 1950 troops in final battle, not to mention a 4% rnage increase in the hall too, 

10% power every 2 waves, and a reduction of 10% just from ranged defence, is not stornger than 12% power given to all troops on every wave, 1950 extra troops in final battle, and I even forgot the 4% ranged from the hall, 

not in anyone elses maths anyway, 

Clan MacGregor (GB1) said:

Poseidon said:

Your math is incorrect because you over simplified the way losses are calculated

 10% attack strength every 2 waves and minus 10% from ranged defenders every 3 waves is not stronger than 12% attack strength for all units on every wave and an extra 1950 troops in final battle, not to mention a 4% rnage increase in the hall too, 

10% power every 2 waves, and a reduction of 10% just from ranged defence, is not stornger than 12% power given to all troops on every wave, 1950 extra troops in final battle, and I even forgot the 4% ranged from the hall, 

not in anyone elses maths anyway, 

Poseidon said:

Clan MacGregor (GB1) said:

Poseidon said:

Your math is incorrect because you over simplified the way losses are calculated

 10% attack strength every 2 waves and minus 10% from ranged defenders every 3 waves is not stronger than 12% attack strength for all units on every wave and an extra 1950 troops in final battle, not to mention a 4% rnage increase in the hall too, 

10% power every 2 waves, and a reduction of 10% just from ranged defence, is not stornger than 12% power given to all troops on every wave, 1950 extra troops in final battle, and I even forgot the 4% ranged from the hall, 

not in anyone elses maths anyway, 

Multiplicative vs addittive. There, that's your answer.

Poseidon said:

You have no idea how these numbers are tied together, I don't blame you as it's rather complicated. But don't tell me it's basic maths. I


Mac said

I understand that different defence troops have different glory numbers, and all the variables, I havnt just hit one castle with more on a flank and posted, I have hit about 10 castles to test this out as I obviously want the best for my attacks, I purposly avoid castles with lots of hammermen on the flanks, I have reports saved of my old attackes before I changed the generals skills, I looked for very very similar castles to test this on, and also took an average of the 10 ie hit, some fortified and some not fortified, over all I am losing more troops, and without tryng to sound cleaver its not the improvment that one would expect.

if you have 10% power of all units every 2 waves and a 10% reduction in the ranged defence every 3 waves then that cannot be as powerfull as 12% combat strength to all troops every wave, the 10% reduction of ranged troops is only roughly about half the troops, and its every 3 waves, this is against 12% power on every wave, that alone should be more powerfull with less loses, but I have to factor in that my general has 1050 more troops in the final battle, I have a 900 troops to the final battle from the winter barracks and also 4% extra range, I have gone from 10% combat power every 2 waves and a reduction of 10% on half the defence every 3 waves to having 12% more power on every wave, 4% ranged power extra and a wopping 1950 extra troops, how on earth can the math be that wrong, this isnt a small difference, and yet I am loosing more troops than normal, there is something not right here and it is not my math, without the 1950 troops and just having the 12% power on every troops and wave and 4% ranged would be more powerfull that the 10% power every 2 wves and a 10% reduction of half the defence troops every 3 waves, a few hundred here and there wouldnt make the difference I am seeing, but this is without even bringing th 1950 extra troops into the equasion,   the 12% power on all troops every wave and a 4% ranged power would be stronger than 10% every 2 waves and a 10% reduction in roughtly half the defence alone, just that change alone is more powerfull, then if you add the 1950 troops aswell, 1950 is not a small number of troops, I shouldnt be getting more loses, it should be less

Poseidon said:

You have no idea how these numbers are tied together, I don't blame you as it's rather complicated. But don't tell me it's basic maths. 

ImperialGuard (US1) said:

Maybe instead of blaming GGS you should play more?

SUPER-MAC (GB1) said:

Hi all, bit of a maths mind may be needed for this post, this is about the Generals skills.

I had 10% combat strength every 2 waves and the minus 10% power from ranged defenders every 3 waves, this would sujest a total of around 25% every 3 waves, I have used my only reset token and changed this to all troops in the final battle for an extra 1050 troops than I had before with the 450 troops, so I now have 1500 troops in the final battle 1050 more than before, anyway, in this time I also got the 12% power on all troops in the hall of legends, this would make 36% total extra over the 3 waves, so to go from 25% every 3 waves to 36% every 3 waves im actually 11% better off in simple math, with an extra 1050 troops in the final battle, BUT for some strange reason on the same difficulty hard pluss, against the same troop ratio on the wall ie the same amount of hammermen and ranged defence, even less in some cases, I am loosing more troops than I did before, I am now being asked for real money to reset my general, so is this faulse advertising when real money is involved we have to be carefull how we approach purchases to avoid faulse advertising, this may sound petty, but when we are being asked for real money for the appearence of an improvement but getting less then we have a real issue here, 

Mathematically there is something wrong, 25% compared to 36% and more troops I should be losing less troops not more, not to mention that the extra 12% is on all troops compared to reducing 10% from  ranged, Im actually slightly more than 11% better off but thats a bit more in depth maths the true figure is more like 12.7% better off,, because Im gaining 12% on all troops melee and ranged, agaisnt weaker ranged troops and only half average will be affected by the 10% reduction as it is only on ranged defenders, so why am I now losing more troops, not forgetting I have an extra 1050 troops aswell. and also 900 troops extra from the ice barracks i got in the event shop, 

In laymens terms, I swapped 25% for 36% and an extra 1950 extra troops in the final battle but I am losing more troops than I normaly would.

Answer me that please.

JPS Kills (GB1) said:

SUPER-MAC (GB1) said:

Hi all, bit of a maths mind may be needed for this post, this is about the Generals skills.

I had 10% combat strength every 2 waves and the minus 10% power from ranged defenders every 3 waves, this would sujest a total of around 25% every 3 waves, I have used my only reset token and changed this to all troops in the final battle for an extra 1050 troops than I had before with the 450 troops, so I now have 1500 troops in the final battle 1050 more than before, anyway, in this time I also got the 12% power on all troops in the hall of legends, this would make 36% total extra over the 3 waves, so to go from 25% every 3 waves to 36% every 3 waves im actually 11% better off in simple math, with an extra 1050 troops in the final battle, BUT for some strange reason on the same difficulty hard pluss, against the same troop ratio on the wall ie the same amount of hammermen and ranged defence, even less in some cases, I am loosing more troops than I did before, I am now being asked for real money to reset my general, so is this faulse advertising when real money is involved we have to be carefull how we approach purchases to avoid faulse advertising, this may sound petty, but when we are being asked for real money for the appearence of an improvement but getting less then we have a real issue here, 

Mathematically there is something wrong, 25% compared to 36% and more troops I should be losing less troops not more, not to mention that the extra 12% is on all troops compared to reducing 10% from  ranged, Im actually slightly more than 11% better off but thats a bit more in depth maths the true figure is more like 12.7% better off,, because Im gaining 12% on all troops melee and ranged, agaisnt weaker ranged troops and only half average will be affected by the 10% reduction as it is only on ranged defenders, so why am I now losing more troops, not forgetting I have an extra 1050 troops aswell. and also 900 troops extra from the ice barracks i got in the event shop, 

In laymens terms, I swapped 25% for 36% and an extra 1950 extra troops in the final battle but I am losing more troops than I normaly would.

Answer me that please.

As Poseidon clearly mentioned in this thread, there is a clear difference between multiplicative and additive bonus.

I suggest you read this thread as it is used quite often not only in GGE but other games too:

https://hypixel.net/threads/what-is-the-difference-between-multiplicative-and-additive-percentages-in-calculations.4307241/ 

Edit:

Furtter to that, over-analyising something like this just takes the fun out of the game as I see it. Just try and enjoy empire for the time it has got left. When I hit a nice glory castle, the number of losses are irrelevant because I know I can recruit more. Just enjoy the game mate.

SUPER-MAC (GB1) said:

JPS Kills (GB1) said:

SUPER-MAC (GB1) said:

Hi all, bit of a maths mind may be needed for this post, this is about the Generals skills.

I had 10% combat strength every 2 waves and the minus 10% power from ranged defenders every 3 waves, this would sujest a total of around 25% every 3 waves, I have used my only reset token and changed this to all troops in the final battle for an extra 1050 troops than I had before with the 450 troops, so I now have 1500 troops in the final battle 1050 more than before, anyway, in this time I also got the 12% power on all troops in the hall of legends, this would make 36% total extra over the 3 waves, so to go from 25% every 3 waves to 36% every 3 waves im actually 11% better off in simple math, with an extra 1050 troops in the final battle, BUT for some strange reason on the same difficulty hard pluss, against the same troop ratio on the wall ie the same amount of hammermen and ranged defence, even less in some cases, I am loosing more troops than I did before, I am now being asked for real money to reset my general, so is this faulse advertising when real money is involved we have to be carefull how we approach purchases to avoid faulse advertising, this may sound petty, but when we are being asked for real money for the appearence of an improvement but getting less then we have a real issue here, 

Mathematically there is something wrong, 25% compared to 36% and more troops I should be losing less troops not more, not to mention that the extra 12% is on all troops compared to reducing 10% from  ranged, Im actually slightly more than 11% better off but thats a bit more in depth maths the true figure is more like 12.7% better off,, because Im gaining 12% on all troops melee and ranged, agaisnt weaker ranged troops and only half average will be affected by the 10% reduction as it is only on ranged defenders, so why am I now losing more troops, not forgetting I have an extra 1050 troops aswell. and also 900 troops extra from the ice barracks i got in the event shop, 

In laymens terms, I swapped 25% for 36% and an extra 1950 extra troops in the final battle but I am losing more troops than I normaly would.

Answer me that please.

As Poseidon clearly mentioned in this thread, there is a clear difference between multiplicative and additive bonus.

I suggest you read this thread as it is used quite often not only in GGE but other games too:

https://hypixel.net/threads/what-is-the-difference-between-multiplicative-and-additive-percentages-in-calculations.4307241/ 

Edit:

Furtter to that, over-analyising something like this just takes the fun out of the game as I see it. Just try and enjoy empire for the time it has got left. When I hit a nice glory castle, the number of losses are irrelevant because I know I can recruit more. Just enjoy the game mate.

you cannot help the blind, poisden clearly is wrong, and you cannot recruit fast enough to replace, your missing the point, some people are paying money in this game, and getting less power for it, if you payed to upgrade a turbo in your car and got less power, would you say oh well lets enjoy it, if you payed for any upgrade you expect and upgrade. i don need a thred or some bulcrap stats from a moderator when its pretty basic maths involved here, basic maths, and ye we all want to enjoy the game, but when every step it feels like a con or a money grab it makes it difficult, getting aff tikets, for stronger coms, with stats that are cleary not doing anything, its basic maths.

SUPER-MAC (GB1) said:

JPS Kills (GB1) said:

SUPER-MAC (GB1) said:

Hi all, bit of a maths mind may be needed for this post, this is about the Generals skills.

I had 10% combat strength every 2 waves and the minus 10% power from ranged defenders every 3 waves, this would sujest a total of around 25% every 3 waves, I have used my only reset token and changed this to all troops in the final battle for an extra 1050 troops than I had before with the 450 troops, so I now have 1500 troops in the final battle 1050 more than before, anyway, in this time I also got the 12% power on all troops in the hall of legends, this would make 36% total extra over the 3 waves, so to go from 25% every 3 waves to 36% every 3 waves im actually 11% better off in simple math, with an extra 1050 troops in the final battle, BUT for some strange reason on the same difficulty hard pluss, against the same troop ratio on the wall ie the same amount of hammermen and ranged defence, even less in some cases, I am loosing more troops than I did before, I am now being asked for real money to reset my general, so is this faulse advertising when real money is involved we have to be carefull how we approach purchases to avoid faulse advertising, this may sound petty, but when we are being asked for real money for the appearence of an improvement but getting less then we have a real issue here, 

Mathematically there is something wrong, 25% compared to 36% and more troops I should be losing less troops not more, not to mention that the extra 12% is on all troops compared to reducing 10% from  ranged, Im actually slightly more than 11% better off but thats a bit more in depth maths the true figure is more like 12.7% better off,, because Im gaining 12% on all troops melee and ranged, agaisnt weaker ranged troops and only half average will be affected by the 10% reduction as it is only on ranged defenders, so why am I now losing more troops, not forgetting I have an extra 1050 troops aswell. and also 900 troops extra from the ice barracks i got in the event shop, 

In laymens terms, I swapped 25% for 36% and an extra 1950 extra troops in the final battle but I am losing more troops than I normaly would.

Answer me that please.

As Poseidon clearly mentioned in this thread, there is a clear difference between multiplicative and additive bonus.

I suggest you read this thread as it is used quite often not only in GGE but other games too:

https://hypixel.net/threads/what-is-the-difference-between-multiplicative-and-additive-percentages-in-calculations.4307241/ 

Edit:

Furtter to that, over-analyising something like this just takes the fun out of the game as I see it. Just try and enjoy empire for the time it has got left. When I hit a nice glory castle, the number of losses are irrelevant because I know I can recruit more. Just enjoy the game mate.

you cannot help the blind, poisden clearly is wrong, and you cannot recruit fast enough to replace, your missing the point, some people are paying money in this game, and getting less power for it, if you payed to upgrade a turbo in your car and got less power, would you say oh well lets enjoy it, if you payed for any upgrade you expect and upgrade. i don need a thred or some bulcrap stats from a moderator when its pretty basic maths involved here, basic maths, and ye we all want to enjoy the game, but when every step it feels like a con or a money grab it makes it difficult, getting aff tikets, for stronger coms, with stats that are cleary not doing anything, its basic maths.

Poseidon said:

SUPER-MAC (GB1) said:

JPS Kills (GB1) said:

SUPER-MAC (GB1) said:

Hi all, bit of a maths mind may be needed for this post, this is about the Generals skills.

I had 10% combat strength every 2 waves and the minus 10% power from ranged defenders every 3 waves, this would sujest a total of around 25% every 3 waves, I have used my only reset token and changed this to all troops in the final battle for an extra 1050 troops than I had before with the 450 troops, so I now have 1500 troops in the final battle 1050 more than before, anyway, in this time I also got the 12% power on all troops in the hall of legends, this would make 36% total extra over the 3 waves, so to go from 25% every 3 waves to 36% every 3 waves im actually 11% better off in simple math, with an extra 1050 troops in the final battle, BUT for some strange reason on the same difficulty hard pluss, against the same troop ratio on the wall ie the same amount of hammermen and ranged defence, even less in some cases, I am loosing more troops than I did before, I am now being asked for real money to reset my general, so is this faulse advertising when real money is involved we have to be carefull how we approach purchases to avoid faulse advertising, this may sound petty, but when we are being asked for real money for the appearence of an improvement but getting less then we have a real issue here, 

Mathematically there is something wrong, 25% compared to 36% and more troops I should be losing less troops not more, not to mention that the extra 12% is on all troops compared to reducing 10% from  ranged, Im actually slightly more than 11% better off but thats a bit more in depth maths the true figure is more like 12.7% better off,, because Im gaining 12% on all troops melee and ranged, agaisnt weaker ranged troops and only half average will be affected by the 10% reduction as it is only on ranged defenders, so why am I now losing more troops, not forgetting I have an extra 1050 troops aswell. and also 900 troops extra from the ice barracks i got in the event shop, 

In laymens terms, I swapped 25% for 36% and an extra 1950 extra troops in the final battle but I am losing more troops than I normaly would.

Answer me that please.

As Poseidon clearly mentioned in this thread, there is a clear difference between multiplicative and additive bonus.

I suggest you read this thread as it is used quite often not only in GGE but other games too:

https://hypixel.net/threads/what-is-the-difference-between-multiplicative-and-additive-percentages-in-calculations.4307241/ 

Edit:

Furtter to that, over-analyising something like this just takes the fun out of the game as I see it. Just try and enjoy empire for the time it has got left. When I hit a nice glory castle, the number of losses are irrelevant because I know I can recruit more. Just enjoy the game mate.

you cannot help the blind, poisden clearly is wrong, and you cannot recruit fast enough to replace, your missing the point, some people are paying money in this game, and getting less power for it, if you payed to upgrade a turbo in your car and got less power, would you say oh well lets enjoy it, if you payed for any upgrade you expect and upgrade. i don need a thred or some bulcrap stats from a moderator when its pretty basic maths involved here, basic maths, and ye we all want to enjoy the game, but when every step it feels like a con or a money grab it makes it difficult, getting aff tikets, for stronger coms, with stats that are cleary not doing anything, its basic maths.

It's not basic math. 

JPS Kills (GB1) said:

Poseidon said:

SUPER-MAC (GB1) said:

JPS Kills (GB1) said:

SUPER-MAC (GB1) said:

Hi all, bit of a maths mind may be needed for this post, this is about the Generals skills.

I had 10% combat strength every 2 waves and the minus 10% power from ranged defenders every 3 waves, this would sujest a total of around 25% every 3 waves, I have used my only reset token and changed this to all troops in the final battle for an extra 1050 troops than I had before with the 450 troops, so I now have 1500 troops in the final battle 1050 more than before, anyway, in this time I also got the 12% power on all troops in the hall of legends, this would make 36% total extra over the 3 waves, so to go from 25% every 3 waves to 36% every 3 waves im actually 11% better off in simple math, with an extra 1050 troops in the final battle, BUT for some strange reason on the same difficulty hard pluss, against the same troop ratio on the wall ie the same amount of hammermen and ranged defence, even less in some cases, I am loosing more troops than I did before, I am now being asked for real money to reset my general, so is this faulse advertising when real money is involved we have to be carefull how we approach purchases to avoid faulse advertising, this may sound petty, but when we are being asked for real money for the appearence of an improvement but getting less then we have a real issue here, 

Mathematically there is something wrong, 25% compared to 36% and more troops I should be losing less troops not more, not to mention that the extra 12% is on all troops compared to reducing 10% from  ranged, Im actually slightly more than 11% better off but thats a bit more in depth maths the true figure is more like 12.7% better off,, because Im gaining 12% on all troops melee and ranged, agaisnt weaker ranged troops and only half average will be affected by the 10% reduction as it is only on ranged defenders, so why am I now losing more troops, not forgetting I have an extra 1050 troops aswell. and also 900 troops extra from the ice barracks i got in the event shop, 

In laymens terms, I swapped 25% for 36% and an extra 1950 extra troops in the final battle but I am losing more troops than I normaly would.

Answer me that please.

As Poseidon clearly mentioned in this thread, there is a clear difference between multiplicative and additive bonus.

I suggest you read this thread as it is used quite often not only in GGE but other games too:

https://hypixel.net/threads/what-is-the-difference-between-multiplicative-and-additive-percentages-in-calculations.4307241/ 

Edit:

Furtter to that, over-analyising something like this just takes the fun out of the game as I see it. Just try and enjoy empire for the time it has got left. When I hit a nice glory castle, the number of losses are irrelevant because I know I can recruit more. Just enjoy the game mate.

you cannot help the blind, poisden clearly is wrong, and you cannot recruit fast enough to replace, your missing the point, some people are paying money in this game, and getting less power for it, if you payed to upgrade a turbo in your car and got less power, would you say oh well lets enjoy it, if you payed for any upgrade you expect and upgrade. i don need a thred or some bulcrap stats from a moderator when its pretty basic maths involved here, basic maths, and ye we all want to enjoy the game, but when every step it feels like a con or a money grab it makes it difficult, getting aff tikets, for stronger coms, with stats that are cleary not doing anything, its basic maths.

It's not basic math. 

I think it is best to add Herveus and fujiwara into this conversation as they will say that it isn't simple maths.