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Topic: [322338] Kons new Description
[4604557] Tempus (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 5:26 p.m.
Heartnoir (US1) said:
We_Ner (US1) said:
Wow this Deadly guy is all twisted around ass backwards. Thats some serious Kool Aid you been drinking.  Guess someones gotta try and talk up a group of beaten ruby players.
This whole thing is very simple. KON has lost the war and lost a long time ago. Lets look the points here.

-First they tried to war MISC to steal some property to add to their team, this was the main objective and it has utterly failed. It cannot be pulled off anymore period.
-Second all your friends and family got tired of you trying to scare them with war and left. They realized KON cant hurt them anymore than they can hurt others. And being wrecked and farmed daily by someone else sucks. More so when you dont know why and dont care about said war.

So as far as i know when YOU start a war, FAIL your main objective, LOSE all your family and allies, and get your troops WRECKED on a daily basis you have LOST your war.

Just cause you've turtled all the family property in main branch with a bunch of ruby whales doesn't mean your powerful Just means your left on an island by yourself. KON main branch has about as many original players left in it as fingers on my left hand. The ones that have left subs/main are very upset about what they were promised so even after this skirmish is over your name has been trashed. We got one whos still pissed at how much money they wasted helping you fail. Your current players arent welcome anywhere else that i know of, including DT and you have no friends left to fight for you. Stabbing people in the back comes back and bites you in the ass eh?? All in all that to me looks like a loss of a war. Id love for someone to show me how these points equate to KON doing well.......

I'm afraid you're the one that's all twisted around. First, KoN never initiated this war to "steal some property". You've sipped long and hard at the MISC Kool-Aid. This is a convenient story that MISC has passed along for so long that apparently it has acquired the trappings of truth - at least for those unable to use the most basic logic or recall the actions that brought the war about in the first place. It's a convenient story since it absolves Morry of any culpability.

In regard to your first point:
The fact is KoN was under threat  at the time from a nebulous coalition of alliances that were threatening harm. We were confident that MISC would stand by us as we had stood with them, to the point of jumping in with HIVE and D8 to help them. Imagine our surprise to learn that Morry had taken some obviously faked Chatzy logs (KoN never has used Chatzy as a method of communicating and Morry and Mnight knew that very well) as evidence that we were going to jump them. Rather than any of MISC leadership coming to us to discuss their concerns (misplaced as they were) Morry chose to go to Geoloop with obvious precursors to war. Unlike the obviously faked Chatzy screens, the information Geoloop provided was straight from the horse's mouth and indicative that we could no longer rely on MISC and in fact could expect MISC to join in with others to jump us. As is the case in war, we made the decision that we would strike preemptively. Simple as that. Don't mistake the aspirations of former allies or subs in regard to property for an objective or a catalyst for this war.

In regard to your second point:
Where in the world do you interpret allies or subs leaving as indicative of "they got tired of KoN trying to scare them with war" @Manatee (US1) Please respond. Each alliance or sub made a decision to leave for their own reasons. For you to paint this nonsense about fear from KoN as a reason to jump in the war or leave is absurd.

Finally, our property for the most part is exactly where it has been (in main or KoN2) since the beginning of the war) with the exceptions of metros or towers that came along with sub players joining into main. If you want to describe that as "turtleing" property then great. Don't see what that has to do with anything. As for original KoN players, so what, players come and go in a period of 2 years. The half life on this game can be fairly brief. Players move on - real life interferes. How many original players are left in MISC, in DT? All of the older alliances lose players. What is an alliance to do? Close entry to any new players because they aren't "original players." That's absurd.

As for the "we  got one who is still pissed about money spent":1. No one can make anyone spend money on this game. You spend your own money for your own purposes. 2.Be careful putting words in other player's mouth's. You seem to have a habit of coming on here  and stating your opinions as fact without any credible evidence.  Are there any DT players who are upset about spending money helping MISC? Why did DT choose to end their participation in the war. Isn't one reason because it was obvious that MISC would not be able to achieve their objectives - which Morry has made quite clear in this thread already in regard to KoN property.

Finally, @billdo09 (US1)  - it's interesting to see that We_Ner speaks for you in regard to who is and isn't welcome in DT.
I'm going to make this short and simple for everyone here.  There are two facts no one on either side can argue about. 

1: KoN fired the first shot 2 years ago. (No matter their reasons)

2: Compared to what they were that day, to this one, is at least an 85% reduction in force. 


Side note to really pin the tail on this thread: 

Your latest alliance description, basically sums up the seedy sociopathic personality that your alliance tries to rule with.  Claiming everyone who left your side will suffer your wrath.  That sort of vindictive bullshit is the reason your deputies and alliance leaders wouldn't tell you the truth, even when you needed the honest truth about how bad things were. All dictatorships controlled via fear fall the same way, and so has your's. 

So go ahead, boast about how much food bonus and KT bonus you have, that just proves how irrelevant you are to the game, GGE has since moved away from the stone age of playing and advanced to a more level playing field.  

As for @We_Ner (US1), that was probably one of the best summarized conclusions anyone could have made.  
[4604575] champdavid (US1) [None] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 6:03 p.m.
Guys two things about this post 

1)I think Deadly is prob an Alt with all that knowledge.
2)I cant believe Serry would hit his own subs.

Just saying I am Neutral!!

Have Fun and Break a leg!! 

-champ
[4604610] Heartnoir (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 6:41 p.m.
Example of vindictive bullshit:

Morry saying TMK are traitorous scum for leaving the MISC fold and therefore will remain red forever.



[4604617] Tempus (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 6:49 p.m.
Example of a much greater level vindictive bullshit:


[4604630] abbie24601 (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 7:04 p.m.
Give it up, Fart. We've been reading Serry's descriptions for years. We aren't fooled.
[4604634] Heartnoir (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 7:07 p.m.
Tempus, to put it bluntly, you can argue all day long who has the bigger wee-wee, but either way sounds like someone is going to be biting the pillow. Only difference is Morry has been very clear about what his intentions are  - TMK will stay red forever. A vague reference of revenge  - well interpret that any way you wish. Painting someone red is not be the only interpretation available there. Some who have left our fold have found it's a cold cruel server out there and MISC is not the only alliance that sends out hits. I personally wish our former subs  well. But if you're going to go stand on your own then you have to be prepared to take the lumps on your own as well.
[4604635] Breor (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 7:08 p.m.
Tempus (US1) said:
Example of a much greater level vindictive bullshit:


I love how this quote from main's description is being taken completely out of context. It does not mean we are going to start attacking our former family members... it means we will show them our strength by defeating the people they surrendered to.

This should be obvious.
[4604641] abbie24601 (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 7:13 p.m.
Breor (US1) said:

I love how this quote from main's description is being taken completely out of context. It does not mean we are going to start attacking our former family members... it means we will show them our strength by defeating the people they surrendered to.

This should be obvious.
Hmmm... defeat TM with even less players?  If you couldn't do it 2 years ago with GK, TUF, IFS, and all your hundreds of subs, why should we believe you can do it now?

Nobody believes that's what the quote means. Nice try.
[4604647] VeeWeeZY (US1) [None] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 7:15 p.m.
Heartnoir (US1) said:
Tempus, to put it bluntly, you can argue all day long who has the bigger wee-wee, but either way sounds like someone is going to be biting the pillow. Only difference is Morry has been very clear about what his intentions are  - TMK will stay red forever. A vague reference of revenge  - well interpret that any way you wish. Painting someone red is not be the only interpretation available there. Some who have left our fold have found it's a cold cruel server out there and MISC is not the only alliance that sends out hits. I personally wish our former subs  well. But if you're going to go stand on your own then you have to be prepared to take the lumps on your own as well.
TMK is completely dead and make farms.  There isnt a single active player there so its a moot point.
[4604648] Tempus (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 7:15 p.m.
@Heartnoir (US1) difference between Morry and Serry is simple. 

Morry is a man, who says exactly what he means to say, plain and simple

Serry is a passive aggressive drama queen who makes hints of threats that he has no ability to follow through with.  Hence why he can't move anywhere without his HBIC following him. 

@Breor (US1) do you have any clue what the word "revenge" means? 
[4604651] VeeWeeZY (US1) [None] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 7:16 p.m.
Breor (US1) said:
Tempus (US1) said:
Example of a much greater level vindictive bullshit:


I love how this quote from main's description is being taken completely out of context. It does not mean we are going to start attacking our former family members... it means we will show them our strength by defeating the people they surrendered to.

This should be obvious.
Dude are you blind?  What from recent occurrences actually makes you think that is going to happen? 
[4604688] GB11 (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 8:07 p.m.
lmfao at heartnoir trying to compare TMK to the subs that left KoN.

TMK left to fight on KON's side. Your subs left the war to become indy alliances, not to join our side. Thats a HUGE difference. Not to mention that TMK and KoN were well in talks before the war started. They jumped to your side right away.

give it up heart. You are terrible at trying to defend Serry's/KoN's actions. It just embarrassing for you at this point.
[4604693] Warrior_Lord (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 8:20 p.m.
Heartnoir (US1) said:
Tempus, to put it bluntly, you can argue all day long who has the bigger wee-wee, but either way sounds like someone is going to be biting the pillow. Only difference is Morry has been very clear about what his intentions are  - TMK will stay red forever. A vague reference of revenge  - well interpret that any way you wish. Painting someone red is not be the only interpretation available there. Some who have left our fold have found it's a cold cruel server out there and MISC is not the only alliance that sends out hits. I personally wish our former subs  well. But if you're going to go stand on your own then you have to be prepared to take the lumps on your own as well.
your probably referring to how wok started getting hit by indies...they had players grabbing rvs from them which resulted in them getting lit up...they caused that themselves. Personally I've always found Kon alliances to be what makes that "cold cruel server" so bad.  Your subs mentalities have always been we can do whatever we want because big bad kon will save us, it might take them awhile to learn that doesn't work anymore.  I'm sure most anyone that's ever had to deal with your alliances would agree.
[4604747] Tempus (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 9:50 p.m.
@Deadly (US1)you're essentially proving our points but doing it in circles. 

You say our side's subs left the war before KoN's did.  This is true, but not for the reasons you say. 

Our side left sooner because we weren't prepared for an all out war like that at that time, usually folks ready for that sorta fight are those who know it's coming, therefore, KoN subs knew to prepare for a large event.  Hence the Halloween ambush. 

Also, this proves another point, KoN subs were more fearful of what KoN main would do to them if they left, rather than what we would do.  Took us a while to change their mind, and much KoN lies being exposed, but we have led the enslaved out of their tyranny. 

Were you a deputy in Fellowship? or Iron Fist? I remember those two getting cream pied like 2 weeks before the war, and their nut-less leaders bent the knee to Serry like immediately afterwards.  
[4604760] Morentz (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 10:18 p.m.
Heartnoir (US1) said:
I'm afraid you're the one that's all twisted around. First, KoN never initiated this war to "steal some property". You've sipped long and hard at the MISC Kool-Aid. This is a convenient story that MISC has passed along for so long that apparently it has acquired the trappings of truth - at least for those unable to use the most basic logic or recall the actions that brought the war about in the first place. It's a convenient story since it absolves Morry of any culpability.

In regard to your first point:
The fact is KoN was under threat  at the time from a nebulous coalition of alliances that were threatening harm. We were confident that MISC would stand by us as we had stood with them, to the point of jumping in with HIVE and D8 to help them. Imagine our surprise to learn that Morry had taken some obviously faked Chatzy logs (KoN never has used Chatzy as a method of communicating and Morry and Mnight knew that very well) as evidence that we were going to jump them. Rather than any of MISC leadership coming to us to discuss their concerns (misplaced as they were) Morry chose to go to Geoloop with obvious precursors to war. Unlike the obviously faked Chatzy screens, the information Geoloop provided was straight from the horse's mouth and indicative that we could no longer rely on MISC and in fact could expect MISC to join in with others to jump us. As is the case in war, we made the decision that we would strike preemptively. Simple as that. Don't mistake the aspirations of former allies or subs in regard to property for an objective or a catalyst for this war.

Jesus, how many times have I explained it.

I took a 2hr train back home to London, to spend Halloween with my GF. I was away from Fri-Mon with no laptop/access to the game.

On the train, I get a Skype message with that Chatzy screenshot attached, showing KON main apparently planning to war DT.

In light of the context - DT being paranoid for weeks and telling us how they think KON will war them again, like they did in January - those screenshots were a cause for concern.

Seeing as I didn't have time to sit in Skype for hours discussing the issue with KON/DT as I wouldn't be home till Monday, I texted Geoloop to keep an eye on things in KON main, incase the screenshots were true.

Geoloop was visiting KON main because he was pissed at myself and Misanthropic91. Like the butthut bitch he is, he decided to show you our Whatsapp conversation.

Rather than waiting to talk to me, you massed us on Halloween, and started moving members around our property.

You're obviously too stupid to comprehend these facts, so you prefer coming up with your own fairytale.
[4604765] abbie24601 (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 10:34 p.m.
Deadly (US1) said:
@abbie24601 (US1) I'm arguing that KON was able to utilize strength, loyalty, and organization in its family more effectively than the opposing side was able to. I saw large Neph family masses, but don't recall seeing many mass attacks with as much participation and coordination from sub alliances from the opposing side.

Of course you saw more masses from them-- there were 30 of them for every 1 of us.  All the more reason for us not to use the same tactic.  There are other tactics besides mass attacks (most of which are cheaper and more effective).  I haven't participated in more than 2 or 3 mass attacks in the past year, yet I'll put my kill ratio up against any KON player any day of the week.... and I did it all with less than 400 troops per hit and no tools.  You may call that "unorganized" or "weak," but it has been incredibly effective.  Go check out the battle reports thread and see for yourself.

If you measure success by the size of a mass attack, then the bigger group will always win.  That's a shitty measuring tool if you ask me.  Rocky Balboa once said, "It ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done."  

I won't sit here and argue with you about strength, loyalty, or organization anymore because those aren't the words I would choose to describe us anyway.  KON can have those words, but we're taking Tough, Smart, and Fearless.

Deadly (US1) said:
In regards to my point about the loyalty difference between your side and KON's, "when the going got tough," you had dozen(s) of subs surrendering on the first deadline, which wasn't that far into the server war. Compare how quickly it took for your subs to abandon ship to how long it took for KON subs to throw in the towel.

Most of the ones you're referring to are training subs who had never seen a server war before let alone a server war of this magnitude. This is a stupid point to argue when we were so outnumbered in the beginning.  Of course our attrition rates would be higher.  It's going to take one person a lot longer to work through thirty people than it takes thirty people to work through one.  All that does is prove what badasses we really are.  

Deadly (US1) said:
It's undeniable that there was a coalition to take down KON in the works. It wasn't paranoia on Serry's part. Abstaining from mentioning any names may result in this being dismissed, but I held a general position in one of the alliances that was recruited into the coalition. KON wiped the floor with them pre-server war and they fell apart. I think @Heartnoir (US1) might know which alliance I'm referring to. That alliance wasn't the only one.


Why come on here hiding behind a Level 17 account and refuse to name names?  You afraid of KON? lol
[4604801] BigLeno (US1) [None] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 11:38 p.m.
deadly is one of hearts alts:)
[4604802] abbie24601 (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 11:40 p.m.
BigLeno (US1) said:
deadly is one of hearts alts:)
Does that make it a silent but deadly fart?
[4604814] Warrior_Lord (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 11:55 p.m.
If Misc was wrong they wouldn't have been trying this hard to fight Neph, it wouldn't be worth it. To me the fact that Neph betrayed Misc, that their friends backstabbed them is why they have persevered this long to fight when the odds were stacked against them.  If not, why would it be worth it?  
Kon's side was much better due to sheer numbers and good players spread out to wipe so many alliances on Misc's side down to awesome players that can't really be beat.  Unfortunately for Kingdom of Neph attrition gradually takes its toll and as more kon allies or subs drop out it adds increasing pressure on the ones left in the war and they begin to ask why are we fighting this war which leads to an answer that is a lie, easy to ignore a war until it comes banging on your front door, once it does they start thinking it's not really worth fighting for a lie and being war weary leads more capable kon alliances to drop out.  Heck, WoK was better than KoN main but they fell apart because of this.
 props to da guys and gals at d8 ft mu for never leaving their friends in this war and knowin what friendship really is

That's my take on it but ive only been in misc for a week, who am i lol...anyways in my experience on here it's pretty clear who the "right" side is


[4604815] Heartnoir (US1) [US1] :: Oct. 30, 2016, 11:58 p.m.
Morentz (US1) said:
Heartnoir (US1) said:
I'm afraid you're the one that's all twisted around. First, KoN never initiated this war to "steal some property". You've sipped long and hard at the MISC Kool-Aid. This is a convenient story that MISC has passed along for so long that apparently it has acquired the trappings of truth - at least for those unable to use the most basic logic or recall the actions that brought the war about in the first place. It's a convenient story since it absolves Morry of any culpability.

In regard to your first point:
The fact is KoN was under threat  at the time from a nebulous coalition of alliances that were threatening harm. We were confident that MISC would stand by us as we had stood with them, to the point of jumping in with HIVE and D8 to help them. Imagine our surprise to learn that Morry had taken some obviously faked Chatzy logs (KoN never has used Chatzy as a method of communicating and Morry and Mnight knew that very well) as evidence that we were going to jump them. Rather than any of MISC leadership coming to us to discuss their concerns (misplaced as they were) Morry chose to go to Geoloop with obvious precursors to war. Unlike the obviously faked Chatzy screens, the information Geoloop provided was straight from the horse's mouth and indicative that we could no longer rely on MISC and in fact could expect MISC to join in with others to jump us. As is the case in war, we made the decision that we would strike preemptively. Simple as that. Don't mistake the aspirations of former allies or subs in regard to property for an objective or a catalyst for this war.

Jesus, how many times have I explained it.

I took a 2hr train back home to London, to spend Halloween with my GF. I was away from Fri-Mon with no laptop/access to the game.

On the train, I get a Skype message with that Chatzy screenshot attached, showing KON main apparently planning to war DT.

In light of the context - DT being paranoid for weeks and telling us how they think KON will war them again, like they did in January - those screenshots were a cause for concern.

Seeing as I didn't have time to sit in Skype for hours discussing the issue with KON/DT as I wouldn't be home till Monday, I texted Geoloop to keep an eye on things in KON main, incase the screenshots were true.

Geoloop was visiting KON main because he was pissed at myself and Misanthropic91. Like the butthut bitch he is, he decided to show you our Whatsapp conversation.

Rather than waiting to talk to me, you massed us on Halloween, and started moving members around our property.

You're obviously too stupid to comprehend these facts, so you prefer coming up with your own fairytale.
No  - I'm simply not stupid enough to believe that you couldn't recognize an obvious fake for a variety of reasons.
1. KoN has never used Chatzy to communicate. You knew that very well.
2. You had many many conversations with Serry. You know his lingo. The lines attributed to him in those Chatzy screens are laughable at best coming from him.
3. Rabi33 chatting in perfect English with enough understanding of the American Halloween customs to say the subs would be happy if we gave them the "candy"

You never said in your conversation with Geo that you would be away for any extended period of time, only that you were on a train.

But that's okay. I can understand you keeping to your fiction. Either way though, if you were concerned enough about what was pretty obviously a sketchy attempt at faking KoN leadership conversation - there was no doubt about the words that came directly from you to Geo.

Also it's not our fault your own member was concerned enough to bring it to us. If you knew he was so pissed at both you and Misan then why in the world would you trust him with such serious business when you had numerous generals available to smooth the waters while you were away? None of this makes much sense in the context of your denials that you intended harm to KoN. We did what we felt was necessary. So as I said before, you can just stop with your crying about getting jumped on Halloween.

We're closer now than ever before to a true 1-1 and I can tell you that we welcome it. It's funny that you chose to post screen shots of Ganic's recent overtures to end this war on this thread. Most of us expressed to Ganic that we felt fairly certain that your hubris would result in that very action. Ganic still held some regard for you and felt it was worth an attempt to reach out to you. Why anyone would trust you with any sort of diplomatic or political overture in the future is beyond me. You schemed with Shiro to the point of destroying a relationship that had served both KoN and MISC well for some time and you just burned your bridges with the one KoN member who had any kind of regard left for you. You've shown your true colors now.