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Topic: [321020] FCO : What Does Commitment Mean To You ?
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Enow (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 11, 2016, 3:06 p.m.
What does commitment mean to you?
Does it mean excusing yourself from everything as this commitment takes precedent over all else?
Does it mean you intend to do this thing, no matter what? Nothing else is permitted to persuade you from it?
Do you see a commitment to be as a promise that you are bound to do?
Is this a boast in the flesh of your will and determination to keep that commitment because this speaks of you, your sincerity & your integrity?
What does His words say about this?
Luke 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God. 16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many: 17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. 18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused. 19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused. 20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come. 21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. 23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
James 4: 13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: 14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. 15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil. 17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Now that was a rebuke towards just making boastful plans for tomorrow. Imagine what a commitment does.
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
If circumcision is the smallest letter of the law, and by doing that, they have to do the whole law, then where do you think making a promise or a commitment even to God stand at which is the biggest letter of the law?
Can God help you keep your commitment & your promises? No.
Numbers 30:2 If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.
Why? Your promises & your commitments are the works of your hands in according to His words. That excludes His help.
Ecclesiastes 5: 4 When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.5 Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay. 6 Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands?7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.
So what does this mean? That God does not want us to make any commitment or promises to Him? Yes, because He is asking you to trust Him to help you follow Him, to do good, and be good inside yourself; trust Him for that for He is in you & is within you always.
Psalm 19: 12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. 13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. 14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
1 John 3: 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.....8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
He does not have any confidence in your flesh or in your will power to do it. He desire a relationship with you, based on trusting Him & His words in the King James Bible, that He will help you to follow Him by faith alone. You have been reconciled to God by faith in Jesus Christ & therefore you can only live this reconciled relationship with God by faith in Jesus Christ. Trust Him to be your Good Shepherd.
2 Timothy 4: 18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Jude 1: 24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
For christians that have quit because keeping that commitment to follow Christ was too hard; Jesus did not ask you to make a commitment or a promise to follow Him; He said ....
Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Deny yourself as being able to... pick up that cross as you have crucified yourself with Him, thereby surrendering to trusting Him in following Him. There is nothing in that offer that requires a promise, a vow, or a commitment from those that wish to follow Him, therefore as we had surrendered to Christ as our Saviour because we could not save ourselves, so should we surrender from "doing the best we can in keeping that commitment & any other promises to him", simply by resting in Him & His promises to us that He will help us to follow Him.
It is the religious christians that have a hard time recognizing their need to surrender in trusting Him all the way Home in living as His.
Matthew 11: 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Mark 10:13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them. 14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
So what can a child do, but trust the Lord at His Word? It is no wonder why they can easily enter into His kingdom at the rapture event.
Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world..... 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
So those that hear that are in bondage but yet agree that all our confidence & hope should rests in Him for living as His, ask Jesus for forgiveness, and He shall set you free to rest in Him & His promises to you for living as His all the way Home to the Marriage Supper.
Hebrews 4: 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
John 8: 30 As he spake these words, many believed on him. 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
1 Corinthians 1: 26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
If we will not be bragging about keeping our commitments & our promises in Heaven above, then why are we boasting about these things down here? Let us say what we mean that we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ as our Saviour that we are saved and we are living by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd that He is helping us to live as His so that we are free from all snares to leave this life when He comes.
Luke 21: 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
So trust Him more than just as your Saviour; trust Him as your Good Shepherd in bringing you all the way Home at the pre trib rapture.
Does it mean excusing yourself from everything as this commitment takes precedent over all else?
Does it mean you intend to do this thing, no matter what? Nothing else is permitted to persuade you from it?
Do you see a commitment to be as a promise that you are bound to do?
Is this a boast in the flesh of your will and determination to keep that commitment because this speaks of you, your sincerity & your integrity?
What does His words say about this?
Luke 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God. 16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many: 17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. 18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused. 19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused. 20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come. 21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. 23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
James 4: 13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: 14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. 15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil. 17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Now that was a rebuke towards just making boastful plans for tomorrow. Imagine what a commitment does.
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
If circumcision is the smallest letter of the law, and by doing that, they have to do the whole law, then where do you think making a promise or a commitment even to God stand at which is the biggest letter of the law?
Can God help you keep your commitment & your promises? No.
Numbers 30:2 If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.
Why? Your promises & your commitments are the works of your hands in according to His words. That excludes His help.
Ecclesiastes 5: 4 When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.5 Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay. 6 Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands?7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.
So what does this mean? That God does not want us to make any commitment or promises to Him? Yes, because He is asking you to trust Him to help you follow Him, to do good, and be good inside yourself; trust Him for that for He is in you & is within you always.
Psalm 19: 12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. 13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. 14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
1 John 3: 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.....8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
He does not have any confidence in your flesh or in your will power to do it. He desire a relationship with you, based on trusting Him & His words in the King James Bible, that He will help you to follow Him by faith alone. You have been reconciled to God by faith in Jesus Christ & therefore you can only live this reconciled relationship with God by faith in Jesus Christ. Trust Him to be your Good Shepherd.
2 Timothy 4: 18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Jude 1: 24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
For christians that have quit because keeping that commitment to follow Christ was too hard; Jesus did not ask you to make a commitment or a promise to follow Him; He said ....
Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Deny yourself as being able to... pick up that cross as you have crucified yourself with Him, thereby surrendering to trusting Him in following Him. There is nothing in that offer that requires a promise, a vow, or a commitment from those that wish to follow Him, therefore as we had surrendered to Christ as our Saviour because we could not save ourselves, so should we surrender from "doing the best we can in keeping that commitment & any other promises to him", simply by resting in Him & His promises to us that He will help us to follow Him.
It is the religious christians that have a hard time recognizing their need to surrender in trusting Him all the way Home in living as His.
Matthew 11: 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Mark 10:13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them. 14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
So what can a child do, but trust the Lord at His Word? It is no wonder why they can easily enter into His kingdom at the rapture event.
Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world..... 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
So those that hear that are in bondage but yet agree that all our confidence & hope should rests in Him for living as His, ask Jesus for forgiveness, and He shall set you free to rest in Him & His promises to you for living as His all the way Home to the Marriage Supper.
Hebrews 4: 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
John 8: 30 As he spake these words, many believed on him. 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
1 Corinthians 1: 26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
If we will not be bragging about keeping our commitments & our promises in Heaven above, then why are we boasting about these things down here? Let us say what we mean that we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ as our Saviour that we are saved and we are living by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd that He is helping us to live as His so that we are free from all snares to leave this life when He comes.
Luke 21: 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
So trust Him more than just as your Saviour; trust Him as your Good Shepherd in bringing you all the way Home at the pre trib rapture.
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Graycat (US1) (Banned) [None]
:: Oct. 11, 2016, 4:03 p.m.
good thread... I think... but I hate to tell you that the pre-trib rapture is a fairy tale. The rapture happens after the tribulation according to the Bible. Any truthful pastor will tell you that the pre-trib thing was made up.Enow (US1) said:trust Him as your Good Shepherd in bringing you all the way Home at the pre trib rapture.
2nd exodus happens for 3 and a half years in the wilderness while the rest of the world goes through the "tribulation" and then after that the real "rapture" happens while the whole earth gets destroyed.
pleasant though, I know.
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outlaw_always (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 11, 2016, 6:20 p.m.
Can someone give me their definition of "rapture" always confused me.
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Graycat (US1) (Banned) [None]
:: Oct. 11, 2016, 9:39 p.m.
'Rapture' is what the Christian church says is what happens before the tribulation happens. According to some pastor who came up with it, we get teleported to a fluffy-cloud land in the sky while all the horrible pagans get burnt on earth and we live in the sky eating jelly for the rest of our lives (aka "heaven").outlaw_always (US1) said:Can someone give me their definition of "rapture" always confused me.
In actuality, according to the Bible at least, the real 'rapture' is where after the 7 year tribulation, the believers who are dead are raised from the grave and then together with the living believers who survived the second exodus are lifted up to the sky and changed in a moment into their new bodies. Meanwhile Earth is burnt to a crisp, a new heaven and earth is created, and the believers live, work, play, and so on in a perfect world that hasn't been cursed while the non-believers are continually deep fried in a pool of lava and fire.
now, I'm not saying that everyone here on the forums has to believe in god and become a chrisitan or anything like that, but yes, that's the definition of rapture. The chrisitan movies that portray all the chrisitans suddenly disappearing off the face of the earth is not accurate and there will be signs and wonders before it happens
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Molson Beer (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 11, 2016, 9:54 p.m.
To me, commitment means to have multiple sexual partners, never show up on time, hand everything in late, promise you will do something but never do it, etc.
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Mr.assassin2 (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 11, 2016, 10:08 p.m.
TL;DR, cliffs?
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Enow (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 11, 2016, 11:57 p.m.
outlaw_always (US1) said:Can someone give me their definition of "rapture" always confused me.
Graycat (US1) said:'Rapture' is what the Christian church says is what happens before the tribulation happens. According to some pastor who came up with it, we get teleported to a fluffy-cloud land in the sky while all the horrible pagans get burnt on earth and we live in the sky eating jelly for the rest of our lives (aka "heaven").outlaw_always (US1) said:Can someone give me their definition of "rapture" always confused me.
In actuality, according to the Bible at least, the real 'rapture' is where after the 7 year tribulation, the believers who are dead are raised from the grave and then together with the living believers who survived the second exodus are lifted up to the sky and changed in a moment into their new bodies. Meanwhile Earth is burnt to a crisp, a new heaven and earth is created, and the believers live, work, play, and so on in a perfect world that hasn't been cursed while the non-believers are continually deep fried in a pool of lava and fire.
now, I'm not saying that everyone here on the forums has to believe in god and become a chrisitan or anything like that, but yes, that's the definition of rapture. The chrisitan movies that portray all the chrisitans suddenly disappearing off the face of the earth is not accurate and there will be signs and wonders before it happens
Rapture means a catching away.
The pre tribulation rapture is hidden in scripture from those that see otherwise.
Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
There are three harvests that makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven; these be the vessels unto honor in His House
The pre trib rapture which is the 1st harvest
The post great tribulation resurrection which is the second harvest; these be the vessels unto dishonor in His House that did not look to Him for help in departing from iniquity in living that reconcile relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.
Then the post milleniel harvest of that generation coming up that stayed loyal to Christ after Satan last fling from the pit after a 1 thousand year reign of Christ.
All 3 make up the whole of the kingdom of Heaven when after death is defeated & cast into the lake of fire with Satan, the Son gives up the kingdom back to the Father.
1 Corinthians 15: 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever......14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
So there is an end to everything that is evil and death.
And so there is a 1st harvest the pre trib rapture;
the second harvest which is the resurrection of those unrepentant saints left behind after the great tribulation;
then the third harvest... after the last defeat of Satan when he is cast into the lake of fire for ever.
There is tribulation. then there is the great tribulation. It is the great tribulation that is 7 years long. We are in tribulation now where many are departing from faith in giving heed to seducing spirits & doctrines of devils 1 Timothy 4:1-2
The great tribulation is the hour of trial that shall try all upon the earth by oppressing the people to take the mark of the beast to buy & sell in order to survive for those that take it, will be condemned no matter what to the lake of fire. There are those that use biochips to buy & sell, but that is not the only means of buying and selling and so it is not the mark yet. It is when it becomes the only means to survive in the coming NWO is when it becomes the mark of the beast of the NWO.
The pre trib rapture is not some happy escape for ALL christians when it is because of the falling away from the faith is why God is coming to judge His House first 1 Peter 4:17-19
Those believers & even former believers left behind are still His, but they shall be received later on after the great tribulation as we can trust Him to the keeping of their souls in well doing while these left behind saints are to suffer the great tribulation for not looking to Him for help in discerning & departing from iniquity.
Luke 12:40-49 is a warning to christians to get ready by Him or else face the coming fire on the earth and subsequent great tribulation from out of that.
Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
There is an escape. Jesus said so.
Luke 21: 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
That is the whole point of warning the churches in Revelation to get ready or else.
Revelation 2: 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
There is a promise for trusting Him as their Good Shepherd to be ready to go;
Revelation 3: 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
So the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth is to take the mark of the beast to survive or not. The only way to not be faced with that hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth is not to be on this earth, hence the escape.
So for those that believe and hear these warnings and the reminder of our hope in Him, go before that throne of grace for help in asking Jesus as your Good Shepherd in getting you to discern iniquity and help you depart from them because the Bridegroom will be coming soon for the abiding & ready bride of Christ to take Home to the Marriage Supper above.
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outlaw_always (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 12, 2016, 2:34 a.m.
So why don't you believe in Purgatory like those Catholics do?Enow (US1) said:
the second harvest which is the resurrection of those unrepentant saints left behind after the great tribulation;
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Enow (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 12, 2016, 7:42 p.m.
Because Purgatory is believed to be a place of suffering punishment(s) for a various certain amount of time due to whatever unrepentant sin or sins where Catholics can gain righteousness by after death before being received by Him.outlaw_always (US1) said:So why don't you believe in Purgatory like those Catholics do?Enow (US1) said:
the second harvest which is the resurrection of those unrepentant saints left behind after the great tribulation;
2 Corinthians 5: 6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Being left behind on earth in real life is not Purgatory.
Those saints that get left behind that die ( not just unrepentant Catholics, but all unrepentant christians ), will be with the Lord in spirit as they will be under the altar In Heaven and with the Lord as described in the Book of Revelation ( Revelation 6:9-11 & they have the promise that those left behind will serve the King of kings on earth in Revelation 7:9-17 ), to await their earthly inheritance when they get resurrected after the great tribulation, BUT they are with the Lord... always as He is in them now.. always... even if they do not know this certain truth
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Contrary to RCC teachings and honoring system, all Catholics are saints because all believers have been made saints by the righteousness of Jesus Christ's and are saved now since they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God had raised Him from the dead. It is because they are saved is why they will be present with the Lord, BUT to avoid being left behind, believers need His help to see the error of the works of catholicism to depart from them so that they can rest in Him & His righteousness that they are saved and they can trust Him as their Good Shepherd to help them live as His all the way Home.
Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world..... 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.....8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Philippians 1: 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace. 8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. 9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ.11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
So any believer seeking to obtain righteousness by the works of catholicism or trying to keep their commitment to follow Christ, must cease from their own works to rest in Him that they ae saved by faith in Jesus Christ as our Saviour and they are to live by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us in living as His for that is also to His glory.
So place your hope, all of your hope in the Lord Jesus Christ for everything, and lean on Him for help in discerning the error of catholicism and lean on Him to depart from those works of catholicism so that others may see your faith in Him.
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outlaw_always (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 12, 2016, 10:53 p.m.
Heh... that doesn't help... my friend (Anglican) told me that Catholics believe that those with unrepented sins go to hell. He said that Catholics believe that when they sin, they have 2 punishments, one of which they have to suffer on earth, the other is laid upon them by God in Purgatory, where they are "purged" before they can get to heaven....
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NoPainNoGainFTW (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 13, 2016, 12:35 a.m.
Just ignore the guy and he will go away.
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Enow (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 13, 2016, 1:32 p.m.
Only God can help you see the truth in His words; and not what Catholics say.outlaw_always (US1) said:Heh... that doesn't help... my friend (Anglican) told me that Catholics believe that those with unrepented sins go to hell. He said that Catholics believe that when they sin, they have 2 punishments, one of which they have to suffer on earth, the other is laid upon them by God in Purgatory, where they are "purged" before they can get to heaven....
Do consider your own reply. If unrepentant Catholics suffer punishment in the afterlife in Purgatory, what are they suffering for? Unrepentant sins. And yet you say they go to hell for unrepentant sins. Are you saying that Purgatory is in hell? Yet there is no coming out of hell, and hell does not purge anyone just so they can go to Heaven.
You may not be recollecting this information correctly that you are sharing, but the bottom line is, why are you listening to people and their words when you have His words in the King James Bible to find out the truth? Ask Jesus for help in finding out the truth in His words; not from the RCC or from the catholic catechism or any of their teachings.
God desires a personal relationship with you, and since Jesus is also known as our Good Shepherd, and not just as our Saviour, this defines just how personal God wishes to be with you; and since He is in us and within us always for all those that believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God raised Him from the dead, you can get to know Him and the power of His resurrection when you learn of Him & His words/His promises to you, so that by trusting Him more, you will see Him working in you and being with you always as you walk thru this valley of death.
So trust Him today to lead you to the truth in His words so that you may know the Truth & that the Truth may set you free.
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outlaw_always (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 13, 2016, 2:26 p.m.
Just so you know I like talking to "down to earth" people. Please don't wrangle your replies so that they look pious :P I can't even understand what you're saying man xD.
So what you're saying basically is "Catholics are wrong and I am right"? I need some backup to those statements man, and don't make them a mile long... I need something clear and brief...
2. Why can't there be two places...? You didn't prove that.
3. You have given me no reason to believe either Catholicism or whatever you're doing, so why should I listen to either?
So what you're saying basically is "Catholics are wrong and I am right"? I need some backup to those statements man, and don't make them a mile long... I need something clear and brief...
1. Ok thanks tell me how, and why it is that Catholics can be so generalized.Enow (US1) said:1. Only God can help you see the truth in His words; and not what Catholics say.
2. Do consider your own reply. If unrepentant Catholics suffer punishment in the afterlife in Purgatory, what are they suffering for? Unrepentant sins. And yet you say they go to hell for unrepentant sins. Are you saying that Purgatory is in hell? Yet there is no coming out of hell, and hell does not purge anyone just so they can go to Heaven.
3. You may not be recollecting this information correctly that you are sharing, but the bottom line is, why are you listening to people and their words when you have His words in the King James Bible to find out the truth? Ask Jesus for help in finding out the truth in His words; not from the RCC or from the catholic catechism or any of their teachings.
2. Why can't there be two places...? You didn't prove that.
3. You have given me no reason to believe either Catholicism or whatever you're doing, so why should I listen to either?
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Enow (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 13, 2016, 3:29 p.m.
You are expecting me to help you understand and prove it to you when I had asked you to ask Jesus for help in understanding His words?outlaw_always (US1) said:Just so you know I like talking to "down to earth" people. Please don't wrangle your replies so that they look pious :P I can't even understand what you're saying man xD.
So what you're saying basically is "Catholics are wrong and I am right"? I need some backup to those statements man, and don't make them a mile long... I need something clear and brief...1. Ok thanks tell me how, and why it is that Catholics can be so generalized.Enow (US1) said:1. Only God can help you see the truth in His words; and not what Catholics say.
2. Do consider your own reply. If unrepentant Catholics suffer punishment in the afterlife in Purgatory, what are they suffering for? Unrepentant sins. And yet you say they go to hell for unrepentant sins. Are you saying that Purgatory is in hell? Yet there is no coming out of hell, and hell does not purge anyone just so they can go to Heaven.
3. You may not be recollecting this information correctly that you are sharing, but the bottom line is, why are you listening to people and their words when you have His words in the King James Bible to find out the truth? Ask Jesus for help in finding out the truth in His words; not from the RCC or from the catholic catechism or any of their teachings.
2. Why can't there be two places...? You didn't prove that.
3. You have given me no reason to believe either Catholicism or whatever you're doing, so why should I listen to either?
#1. Explain to me what you mean. In what context are you referring this generalization?
#2. Prove to me that Purgatory as the Catholic teaches it, is in 2 places. The way I have heard it, that Catholics do penance in the land of the living to help shorten their stay in Purgatory which has to pertain to the afterlife. So I do not understand where or how you are perceiving this Purgatory to be also on earth.
#3. If the whole point is to have a relationship with God, then Who should you be listening to? Catholics insist on having that relationship through the church, through the priests, through Mary, and the departed saints, and through the Eucharist and the Mass and the works of catholicism whereas His words says for you to have that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ... personally.
Now I can post scripture but that would make this too long for you, so I am leaving this post as is. Short.
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outlaw_always (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 14, 2016, 1:40 a.m.
Alright, well you said
"1. Only God can help you see the truth in His words; and not what Catholics say."
I say that what if "God" has helped some people to understand the truth of his words... and I'm sure some of them are Catholics. So how can it be that Catholics can't help people see the truth in Gods words.
2. Well if you want to repent of sins by suffering... then of course you can repent on earth... and in a apocalypse/purgatory like setting.
3. But Catholics say that because of thousands of years of them researching the Bible, they should know more than I know about God. Why shouldn't I listen to them?
"1. Only God can help you see the truth in His words; and not what Catholics say."
I say that what if "God" has helped some people to understand the truth of his words... and I'm sure some of them are Catholics. So how can it be that Catholics can't help people see the truth in Gods words.
2. Well if you want to repent of sins by suffering... then of course you can repent on earth... and in a apocalypse/purgatory like setting.
3. But Catholics say that because of thousands of years of them researching the Bible, they should know more than I know about God. Why shouldn't I listen to them?
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Gobygirl3 (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 15, 2016, 4:30 p.m.
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Enow (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 15, 2016, 8:36 p.m.
#1. The point is; Jesus is your Good Shepherd. You acknowledge that God helped others to see the truth but yet refuse to believe He can do the same to you personally?outlaw_always (US1) said:Alright, well you said
"1. Only God can help you see the truth in His words; and not what Catholics say."
I say that what if "God" has helped some people to understand the truth of his words... and I'm sure some of them are Catholics. So how can it be that Catholics can't help people see the truth in Gods words.
2. Well if you want to repent of sins by suffering... then of course you can repent on earth... and in a apocalypse/purgatory like setting.
3. But Catholics say that because of thousands of years of them researching the Bible, they should know more than I know about God. Why shouldn't I listen to them?
#2. If penance shorten one's stay in this supposed place of Purgatory on earth, then what happens to the Catholic when he or she is done with the penance but yet he or she is still suffering on earth? Will not disillusionment follow? Just search the internet of what the official Catholic doctrine on Purgatory is. You may find this; "Purgatory, according to Catholic Church doctrine, is an intermediate state after physical death in which those destined for heaven "undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven"."
So I do not know where you got that other view of purgatory, but it is not of the official Catholic doctrine.
#3. Then ask them why the RCC does not have an answer for every verse in the Bible, especially when it speaks against the works of catholicism in one fashion or another. You are saying what I would say.. them being around so long and cliaming to be the final authority on what the Bible says, then how is it that they do not have an answer for those verses that reproves Catholic teachings plainly? So no. They do not get the final say.
Jesus Christ as your personal Good Shepherd, should have the final say. You have His words in the KJV to use the "meat" of His words to discern good & evil with His help & His wisdom in understanding and applying His words rightly.
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Enow (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 15, 2016, 8:49 p.m.
No fable has an empty grave nor God's chosen people still denying Him Whom they admit, they have crucified.Gobygirl3 (US1) said:
The irony is that it was prophesied that God's chosen people would reject Him.
Even in the Old Testament, there is a prophesy that Jesus will return and the Israelites will know that Jesus is God.
Zechariah 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Anyone that deny Him as ever existed, should check the internet for extra-biblical evidence of Jesus Christ as history will validate His existence; if any one cares to seek the truth in this matter.
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Amnesiac Lapp (US1) [None]
:: Oct. 15, 2016, 9:30 p.m.
Jesus christ has been proven to exist. its just not proven he is who he claimed to be(and no, the bible isnt proof. not everybody believes in the bible. but there is scientific proof that somebody similiar(or is) jesus existed sometime in the early CE.Enow (US1) said:No fable has an empty grave nor God's chosen people still denying Him Whom they admit, they have crucified.Gobygirl3 (US1) said:
The irony is that it was prophesied that God's chosen people would reject Him.
Even in the Old Testament, there is a prophesy that Jesus will return and the Israelites will know that Jesus is God.
Zechariah 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Anyone that deny Him as ever existed, should check the internet for extra-biblical evidence of Jesus Christ as history will validate His existence; if any one cares to seek the truth in this matter.
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outlaw_always (US1) [US1]
:: Oct. 16, 2016, 1:36 a.m.
C.S.Lewis:
"Christ either deceived mankind by conscious fraud, or He was Himself deluded and self-deceived, or He was Divine. There is no getting out of this trilemma. It is inexorable."
Fraud... that's either the biggest fraud in the history of the world, or it's true :P
He was crazy.. yeah that's why he has over two billion followers as of now....
He's God :P Fair enough.
"Christ either deceived mankind by conscious fraud, or He was Himself deluded and self-deceived, or He was Divine. There is no getting out of this trilemma. It is inexorable."
Fraud... that's either the biggest fraud in the history of the world, or it's true :P
He was crazy.. yeah that's why he has over two billion followers as of now....
He's God :P Fair enough.