Why didn't they ask the players before they did the update, in our bg we can't give an update because Nobody will spent 50 million coins to go there, it will be very quiet.

Nobody asked me, will you pay 50 million coins to go there.

GGE has stopped talking to its players. They are not interested in players. They don't care what we think about the game. Only in their wallets.

In the past they were very proud on new features and talked about weeks before the features were released.

Now you know why they are afraid to disclose their future plans....

BM_Red Phoenix said:

Hey All,
Been an interesting update so far

To clarify some of the questions asked here:
1. The entry fee of 50 mil coins is only for the Heritage version of Outer Realms, not for all Outers and not for Horizons. The initiative was taken by GGS, based on player feedback about having to build castles from scratch and also frequent food shortages in Outers due to lower food production capabilities. With the ability to copy the main castle to outers, those 2 problems are taken care of. 
2. To compensate and understanding the increased need for tokens, the amount of upgrade tokens which can be won, have increased, specially if you rank well.
3. The update has made the Military District available in the Blacksmith Shop
4. The market burrows bug has been fixed.

However, I also fully understand the cost of 50 mil as being very high, and this feedback has been taken and communicated internally with seriousness. Once I have some updates, I will post it up, for everyone. In the meantime, if you have entered Outers, please give us your feedback, tell us what's better, and what needs some work, so that the game can improve overall. 

Thanks, 
Red

BM_Red Phoenix said:

Hey All,
Been an interesting update so far

To clarify some of the questions asked here:
1. The entry fee of 50 mil coins is only for the Heritage version of Outer Realms, not for all Outers and not for Horizons. The initiative was taken by GGS, based on player feedback about having to build castles from scratch and also frequent food shortages in Outers due to lower food production capabilities. With the ability to copy the main castle to outers, those 2 problems are taken care of. 
2. To compensate and understanding the increased need for tokens, the amount of upgrade tokens which can be won, have increased, specially if you rank well.
3. The update has made the Military District available in the Blacksmith Shop
4. The market burrows bug has been fixed.

However, I also fully understand the cost of 50 mil as being very high, and this feedback has been taken and communicated internally with seriousness. Once I have some updates, I will post it up, for everyone. In the meantime, if you have entered Outers, please give us your feedback, tell us what's better, and what needs some work, so that the game can improve overall. 

Thanks, 
Red

I think that's their whole business plan, and why they don't care about ftp players leaving.

They're just trying to pin high spending players against each other so they spend more to best the other.

Hmmm. I don't know anyone who's going or has gone including players who can afford it.

I am amazed how GG managed to spin this one as us asking for it!

@BM_Red Phoenix now U know why so many of us feel providing feedback is pointless.

It's largely ignored or seriously twisted.

GG is making every effort to shut down anything that would allow ftp or low spenders to achieve anything or win rewards.

Unfortunately everything continues to cater to whales, some of whom complain about others being able to achieve in events without spending a fortune. They paid to win something so they can't stand little guys getting something as well. Even the consolation prizes. And yes I realise I'm generalising. Many whales are quite happy for everyone to get something. Many realise the little guys provide a service and without that service they'd struggle more.

GG and some whales conveniently forget that U need these little guys to achieve. Making yourself available as a victim in a toxic event deserves some rewards. Who are they going to farm now?

Clearly this new and worse version isn't working so well. With such a limited target pool it would be more toxic than ever.

Yes we were complaining about mass desertion in outers. But charging 50 million coin is the dumbest solution ever. Has it occurred to GG to provide better value instead? Packages in outers and BtH have lost a lot of value. Which has resulted in a serious reduction of spending. But as usual, instead of providing value at a price we're thousands would buy, GG chooses to remove value and relies on whales only.

Put the value back. It would bring people back and it would make them more active in these events.

My personal spending in outers and BtH has dropped significantly since GG removed the rubies from the 50k box in those events.

Sure I don't place as well. But if U want my money you will have to provide value. Otherwise I keep my cash and settle for the scraps.

@WillyWiz (NL1) is right. GG used to be proud of game development and announce new features well ahead. Detailed stats were made available of new equipment sets.

Now there's nothing. The focus is exclusively on how can we fleece those fools for more money. And they never try to get more from low spenders but only go for the safe bet. How can we get more out of those addicted fools so they take out another mortgage once the kid's college fund is empty.

Shame on you GG. Shame on us for still paying for it.

We can be lucky that its only coins. This you can earn if you are active. It could be also 250k robs so then it was only for buyers :).

The popup spam is still not fixed. This game is going to end. Everything is on sale lately!!! They even do commercials for their new games. Like I would ever started a new Bug Game Studios game. Lol. So to all those spenders wake up and spent your money else where!

Outers and BtH are toxic money grabbing environments with a fragile eco system. But whilst toxic and fragile it had an eco system that worked and a corresponding food chain.

Low spenders and ftp active players farm inactive players for points. Spenders farm the actives for a portion of those points.

Everyone got something out of it. Inactives got barely anything, but enough to go over.

Actives got better scraps for doing the grind for spenders. Spenders got more.

By removing 90% of the food chain it appears everyone is unhappy. Nothing for most and serious cannibalism for the remaining few. I wonder how many of the 737 who were curious enough to go will go again?

Just finished having a convo with some about the merits of chastising those who spend...its counterproductive IMO. Spenders are the reason we are not playing s 2002 flip phone version of a mobile game...clashing with those guys, most of who encourage all play types, fight for the casual player to still be competitive & the many that spend time, effort & money figuing out GG's crazy updates to post how to's isn't the answer.

Instead we need to direct our efforts at GG. The guys who have created such an imbalance in the game that attacking seems both overpowered & underpowered at the same time. Top teams & players are strong to the point that attacking each other leads to easy defenses, yet the same attack on a player in just a slightly less capable alliance cam lead to massive loses.

Some players easily carry 500 or 600K defense across all lands without being negative on food, while others struggle to carry 100k...this will only get worse with the introduction of the new mead based troops. Add in the new defensive build items & many of the other updates, some, many in fact, while get left so far behind they will never catch up.

This should be unacceptable to all, but even more so to those of us who do spend. Without a competitive player base of all types of players we will eventually be forced to either just hit the same handful of teams or attack empty castles that help us in no way...eitherway it will be even more boring than the current offering from GG of spending more time playing in fake servers than our own because thats the only way to get new stuff.

While those who spend should be entitled to an advantage, that still has to be balanced. I can't say I see that balance at all in todays game. Most of us buyers have already forked over the rubies for the newest flag symbols & are enjoying a 40% boost in food production, great! But the closest coin option, for the non-spenders is not even a 10% boost. The fact those willing to spend are already making far more food...the boosts just exacerbates that issue. I am sure we can think of plenty of things & many of us have to reduce this gap, but until GG opens their ears nothing will change.

Well said @Charlie Wilson (US1) . I don't try disrespect whales. We need all types of players. It's the fact that GG only caters for them is the issue. The ever widening gap.

Most big spenders appreciate we need everyone. The spending should give U an advantage but the balance is way off.

It's really important that spenders start speaking out and fight for the rest of players.

So thank you!

"My personal spending in outers and BtH has dropped significantly since GG removed the rubies from the 50k box in those events."

This has been a common theme I have heard from many...it used to be worth jumping & grabbing a starter pack during a 200% sale, then playing the event. It has lost that for sure & the newest answer is even worse.

@BM_Quaffel_EN and @BM_Red Phoenix

"The initiative was taken by GGS, based on player feedback about having to build castles from scratch and also frequent food shortages in Outers due to lower food production capabilities"

Please ask GG not take anymore initiatives. Either listen to what we say properly or check before U implement such garbage.

Oh yes! If only GG communicated. Or had a test server. I'm reasonably sure this would have been predicted to be a disaster by 99.8% of players. Irrespective of how much they spend.

I'm really struggling with the word initiative here. Feels like a 4 year old burning the house down because mummy said winter was coming and it would be nice to have a fire🔥

Dude, open the other thread!! You are to late to create this one. Now I cant reply on conversatons in the other thread.

Instead of making blabla threads when new events are coming. Those are posted before the event starts and after an update/new month you are way to late!

Please call it the october update just like the previous thread. Makes more sense.

Warspite (AU1) said:

@BM_Quaffel_EN - How about as a start you merge all the input from the Thoughts on October 2020 Update here so all those comments don’t fade from view? Or is that the intention? https://community.goodgamestudios.com/fourkingdoms/en/discussion/53346/thoughts-on-october-2020-update#latest