Love the 2nd point. To compensate we increased the number of tokens. If the developers can't see the error in that statement then they must be back on the crack
Hmmm - did a quick check of participant numbers from the outside. Looks like about 1200 - far short of the several thousand usually there.Warspite (AU1) said:@BM_Red Phoenix - Is the 50m coin cost to enter Outers correct? I find it hard to believe - I wonder how many will ante up for Outers now if this is the case.
One of the reasons I no longer spend more than base pack in outers is the balance of tokens (build v upgrade} needed has swung the wrong way for me and the difference in rewards for top 1000 v top 3000 v top 5000k is not enough. Too low. KL doesn't give you enough to do one upgrade of even a res relic building so that's just a pathetic reward and stopped me getting ruby pack there too. One outers reward in top 5k gets one upgrade for a district or green relic building at higher level. I
t is very slow to make a difference and feel like you are achieving playing this game.
Everyone may feel we're getting tokens to easily but that's dead wrong for the average player. I'm an active player logging game many times daily. I pay my subs which leaves room for one pack per month.
I aim for under 5k finish every time in outers. Log twice daily. I have only just got my barracks to L13, not all my green food are finished. Military districts are not hardly upgraded. Did some to relicus or one of those buildins. I will need 1000s more to ungraded every building and looking at it, I'd say 12 to 18 months if we had no other things new that need tokens I'd have most to where I wanted but not everyone fully upgraded.
Instead of making it impossible to enter. Think about the fact you attract more players with honey rather than the punishment
Why doesn't ggs actually make it so rewards jump as you go up to the next 1000. So you are getting an odvious rise. Players at top will want into top 1000
Players at bottom will be farmed but still work you make it into top 8000 to 10000
We want players to have tokens so they stay in the game. If it's to hard then the level or become inactive. In heritage inactive players enter but are farmed out of rewards. You have always needed some activity or some incredible luck to get tokens in heritage.
Heritage is about farming the weaker targets and trying to hold out against those in the top 1000 who farm the map instead of hitting each other and playing at their level.
Heritage was one of the active outers which those who love pvp got a real kick out of. What's happened here has been more about satisfying a few players with a issue to grind than looking at the bigger picture of keeping the game alive.
Not all feedback needs to be acted upon unless it is for benefit of all players and the game. The dev team need to sort out the whining from the real issues and stop creating bugs.
Outers and horizon is for Apples or for those that wants to be Apples. Every x time starting from 0, the same thing. No matter which rewards they give its a Banana event! I would choose to start another game instead of those Grapefruit events.
Its just like brainless hitting nomads with a train. They need to let the camp vanish for x time just like the foreigners. Why the difference?
Lets talk about this update. It's very bad.
50M is just to much, at first I tought it was 5M, wich is already quite a sum, I paid thinking “o yes 5M is a bit much but I can afford it I grind a lot of money so it's fine”. Wellp to bad for me I had 150M, so that 1/3 of my money gone, no suprise there, I won't pay such a sum anymore. It's just to much for to little. Granted I will still gain a lot since there are not many who entred the outers, it's still not worth it. Not to mention that very little amount of player have this much money, and even less are ready to have it disappear in one go.
And that is because the outer are just not fun. Yes I have now my castle with me but that is all. I can't do anything more then before. I still don't have money ( 100k is to little and the price of soldiers in the armorer have gone up ), and I don't have real ways to make money. Npc are to low in level in the plains and even tought I was able to go in Ice there I don't have my castle there is no way of keeping a decent amount of troups to farm money. I did try tought right now I'm ranked 44 in the looting ranking.
I'd say that nothing has changed in the outer, if I don't pay I can't raise any troops to defend or attack, and in addition I now have to ruin myself to participate. ( maybe having to pay one time to always be able to enter would be better, not 50M of course... ).
Still it is great that ggs tried to listen to us, how sad tought that we were misunderstood.
What ggs wanted to be a PVP event is in fact not one because unless you pay there is no way to have a decent amount of troops, be it defensive or offensive, also no commender or castellan, and lets not talk about tool.....
If I have to farm all week long to not even be able to compete against player who pay it is meaningless since it would be to late to go up in the ranking.
I shall note that you tried to go this way : research price and time have been decreased for the outer, why didn't you go all the way out and decrease price and time for everything ? Building, recruting tools and soldiers traveling time, waiting time to attack Npc, and so on....
https://i.postimg.cc/Kc6txS4z/timecapresearch.png
The Outer last only a week it make no sence for it to have the same timing as the main server. If you want competition why not give us some thing to compete with. Bend the main server rules to archive the result you want. GO ALL OUT. You even capt the repair time at 1 hour, but it hold no meaning if it cost the same amount of materials since we don't have a way to farm wood and stone.
You failed the outer because you don't understand that we want to have fun, having a lvl800 or 10 castle doesen't change anything, what need to change are the playing rules. If we can't do anything whitout paying it doesn't matter what lvl we are, it's no fun.
I also have to point out that succes are basiclly brocken since the introduction of the special flag symbol, wich we are still unable to unlock. I've completed 23% of all succes and I havent unlocked any flag other then the one who are accesible to evreyone. Note that the amount of rubies won seem to have decreased, I't was more than 1k before and is only 100 now. ( I know it goes up each time but it is now less than it was before ). And some other things....
https://i.postimg.cc/dVTXJ54t/only100bladesuccesbug.png
And since nobody really speak about it I need to ask when are you going to get rid of those useless, and outdated gems and equipement ? I still remember when they were first introduced and it was quite fun to farm them but now they're nothing but a bother. I want to farm relic equipement and gems, that's what matters now, not even unique equipement can compare, and I don't pay so the one I get are pretty bad in general....
In this case ggs have completely brocken the balance. First because they are completely op. Second because non paying player cannot get high grade relic equip, and third because there is no reliable way to farm them. I have way to many gems with courtyard bonuses since that's all we get from events.....
Why not make it possible to pillage them on Npc instead of the others when you get pass lvl70 ? It would make more sence in my opinon, and active non paying player could get them easyer then the mess it is now....
I rarely grumble publicly about this game, however, this time I am compelled to add my voice to the growing discontent.
We had a little math class in our alliance this morning, let me recap it for you..
* A max baron in ge will get you approx 31k coin.
* On average lets say 5 max barons in ge.
* An active player may be able to hit those 5 barons 3 times a day.
31k x 5 x 3 = 465k.
50,000,000 ÷ 465,000 = 107.5...
YES thats how many days it will take you to accumulate enough coin to enter outers ONCE! Does not take into consideration healing lost troops or recruiting to replace.
I am no rocket scientist but I can assure you my math tells me that is not good value for my time.
NO DEAL GG!
Amazing update...
Thats why IN1 server Boycotted Outer Realm Event
Congo GGE you got our Respect
The changes to Outers remind me of the Hotel Quarantine Program.....great concept, but abysmal execution ending up with a price no one should have to pay!!
Next time you decide the Work Experince kiddy should be in charge of rolling out the Update, make sure they know where to put the decimal point on the price!!!
Fire max rbc. 30 x 27k is 810k coins. Losses are +-11. Tools hardly none if you use relic coms. Time to hit 30 max rbc's with preset is max 10 mins. 3 times a day is 2.4 mil coins/day.
50/2.4= 21 days.
But at the same time you can also hit max sand and ice rbc's.
If they can do nomads in train, is non stop watching your screen, you can also do very easy rbc's. Rbc's at level was the basic in the beginning of this game.
I guess the players sequestered in mum’s basement without lives outside their devices will be delighted with the update!Jenne (NL1) said:Fire max rbc. 30 x 27k is 810k coins. Losses are +-11. Tools hardly none if you use relic coms. Time to hit 30 max rbc's with preset is max 10 mins. 3 times a day is 2.4 mil coins/day.
50/2.4= 21 days.
But at the same time you can also hit max sand and ice rbc's.
If they can do nomads in train, is non stop watching your screen, you can also do very easy rbc's. Rbc's at level was the basic in the beginning of this game.
3x 10 mins hitting rbc's is 30 mins time.
Hitting nomads in trains like a brainless fool is no life.
So what is your point?
So you support a 50mill coin ante to play a time limited event?Jenne (NL1) said:3x 10 mins hitting rbc's is 30 mins time.
Hitting nomads in trains like a brainless fool is no life.
So what is your point?
Nope, its to expensive but the new researches are also to expensive and nobody complained.
I hate outers and horizon so I dont care much. Every x time the same event starting from scratch is nothing for me. I dont have Alzheimer yet :).
Glad to hear that! Anyway, seems this latest excess has stirred up quite a lot of negativity - will be interesting to see any responses from GG.Jenne (NL1) said:Nope, its to expensive but the new researches are also to expensive and nobody complained.
I hate outers and horizon so I dont care much. Every x time the same event starting from scratch is nothing for me. I dont have Alzheimer yet
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Well, this is a ridiculous comparison.
Spending 50 mil coins for ENTRANCE to a seven day event is ridiculous, spending coins on permanent unlocked research is something different. ( wont say its a good investment but better than this outer realms version)
Something else to think of.
The prive of the militairy district 150k golden goins in the blacksmith....
A lv 20 wall item is 60k and in an offer 10€ so 150k/60=2.5 which in the cheapest option is 25€ of value. Even more if you calculate from the old rubie price.
Achieving top 100 in kingdoms league is worth 40k so you have to complete is about 3 times and the other 30k you get somewhere else. 3x 42 days is 126 days for such a thing. Seems a bit unballenced to me