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Board: [589] Strategy & Tactics Discussion
Topic: [331659] What is firecast?

[4718557] JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None] :: April 4, 2017, 4:23 p.m.
Dark Venom,

Lol...Do you think we do not know jjjjjjsk?
I think you have forgotten....

[4718803] Freydis (AU1) [AU1] :: April 4, 2017, 10:13 p.m.
How could I ever forget you jjjjjjsk?

You visit so often, although not so recently, having a little trouble of late, are you?   o:)
I heard you lost some horrors....did you find them yet?

You are most likely the last thing I think of as I pack my troops away for the night :smiley: and the first thing I think of as I check my castles in the morning......  <3<3<3



[4718817] Venom (ASIA1) [ASIA1] :: April 4, 2017, 11:25 p.m.
Dark Venom,

Lol...Do you think we do not know jjjjjjsk?
I use to be in Seps lol.

[4718955] Someone1000 (AU1) [AU1] :: April 5, 2017, 9:05 a.m.
@Redbeauty84 (AU1) @Carolyn1 (AU1) you talk shit. You don't mind if I come for a visit do you?

[4718958] JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None] :: April 5, 2017, 9:07 a.m.
How could I ever forget you jjjjjjsk?

You visit so often, although not so recently, having a little trouble of late, are you?   o:)
I heard you lost some horrors....did you find them yet?

You are most likely the last thing I think of as I pack my troops away for the night :smiley: and the first thing I think of as I check my castles in the morning......  <3<3<3

yea, 16k of them, going to be a while before I bother saving that many again, put them to good use, had a laugh, and I was polite how I used them as well....  Gotta chat to steve actually ask some Q's about his defence, I liked how he 2 flanked me, respect to him for that. 

Thing is.... I wouldnt waste horrrors on you... I took out nearly 5k in the keep on Jenny with coin troops, you bother to defend ill take them all out. 

[4719049] Freydis (AU1) [AU1] :: April 5, 2017, 11:43 a.m.
So jjjjjjsk, are we up to the challenge stage in our relationship?

One on one? No bringing your friends along?



[4719081] Venom (ASIA1) [ASIA1] :: April 5, 2017, 1:06 p.m.
lmao you better hope those fire cast work if you are gonna take on jjsk

[4719148] danielbannister (US1) [None] :: April 5, 2017, 2:30 p.m.

For what it's worth, you can have a decent castellan that is also a good fire cast.  I have a fire cast that is 90 melee, 90 ranged, and has 101 less fires on it.  That doesn't count fire pump research or even a fire station.  Add those two in there and that cast can defend against a fire comm that has 56 more fires added to it.

The 90 90 means you'll be supported by your alliance but if you lose, you'll still have no fires. 

No idea why Graycat says only poor players don't use a fire cast.  I've never seen his name at the top 100 of any event but every player I know in the top 100 has several firecasts.

Go get a 90 90 fire cast.  It will require finding the exact equipment and high level gems but it's possible.  Don't believe a 90 90 fire cast exists?  Spy me in Storm.  I have a 90 90 firecast up there.  It's not even my best one as I have several 90 90 fire casts.


[4719150] danielbannister (US1) [None] :: April 5, 2017, 2:35 p.m.
I have about 9 firecastas all up ??

I also have 7 fully teched castas to defend properly with BIG gems so they have a shot in the CY. 

I both hate the use of fire castas and encourage their use, so I am a hypocrite on this and then some.  But here goes...
@Redbeauty84 (AU1)

Read my opening line, im saying I have 2 views on this that are vastly different.  All my firecastas as well when offline have a set up of 0-100-0 or 0-0-100.  I dont beleive their is a place for tool raking when using a firecasta, that is the one thing I object to these days.  You choose to use it, thats sweet, I got no issues, toolrake its bleh.  You dont know the history of alot of the members in your current alliance that exists between our alliance.  From esping your castas, they are horrific, to people reading yoru posts, Ill highlight, the person providing them doesnt have a single casta that has  maxxed stats for the use they have been build, be they to defend or to be used as a firecasta. 

As to large alliances are all pact etc etc...  My most prominant target is @jennyj (AU1) I hit her constantly and she is not a weak target nor is hers a weak alliance.  For every hit I do on other people / alliances I do 2 on Jenny. 

Their is a larger part to this that NO-ONE addresses.  This game is NOT about PvP to a large extent now.  It's about events.  Why would you carry defenders that can't earn you stuff in events when you can run firecastas and 0 defenders in GE ??  I can EARN more in events that way...

The only thing that I can see changing that is the food consumption of defenders being changed to either 2 per hour or 3 per hour so you can carry more defenders than attackers for the food consumption.  This would make INDIVIDUALLY defending more realistic alogn with enablig troops transfers between the outters and OPs for a reduced coin cost than currently exists. 

Fire stations, firecastas and firegems dont mean shit when I sent my firecomm at you...  You still burn, you defend that is great, I often dont send the fire comm until I have taken out all the alliances defence im going against, you dont start using a firecomm unless you have a reason. 

No offence @Redbeauty84 (AU1), people in your alliance got burnt and destroyed in INVICTUS, changed alliance name and are now in another no-name alliance.  The game dynamics that allow me and others to do that still exist, its just your not worthy of my attention.  You dont understand or comprehend those game dynamics properly either.  Fires used to absolutly KILL you for food production and many other things, those affects have been nerfed big time nowdays. 

PvP has been killed off systematically in this game over time and replaced by events.  Looting for good comms and castas has been killed off by events as well with the only thing that doesnt hold true to is fire comms or fire castas.  so far vast majority of people I have encountered with firecastas have USED them to replace defending, that is a poor choice.  However its one that people make when they dont understand the game dynamics. 

Realistically, their is NO reason to defend in GE at all apart from your main for FI attacks, even then a firecasta will do.  This is an issue that has to be addressed before all others to restore game balance, nothing else.  Without that its an event based game. 

Fire comms are good and all, but as the game progresses, it will get harder and harder to burn a player with a fire comm, unless GGE implements a 50 percent max on fire casts like they have been saying (meaning fire gems will be totally worthless).  I can firecast now up to 176 percent at all castles, and 191 at main.  Meaning you'd have to have a fire comm with 91 extra fires on it to burn me at main and 76 more fires to burn me anywhere else.  That commander would totally be lacking any other stats of any kind except ranged and fires, meaning you would stand no chance were I to defend, which you had better believe I would.

[4719440] JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None] :: April 6, 2017, 4:08 a.m.

Fire comms are good and all, but as the game progresses, it will get harder and harder to burn a player with a fire comm, unless GGE implements a 50 percent max on fire casts like they have been saying (meaning fire gems will be totally worthless).  I can firecast now up to 176 percent at all castles, and 191 at main.  Meaning you'd have to have a fire comm with 91 extra fires on it to burn me at main and 76 more fires to burn me anywhere else.  That commander would totally be lacking any other stats of any kind except ranged and fires, meaning you would stand no chance were I to defend, which you had better believe I would.
The thing Ive never got to test is what the affects of a proper firecomm are against a proper firecasta.  All those that have tried have not had proper gems etc etc, in the end they burn regardless when you are determined. 

A proper firecasta to me has -50 fires from the equip stats, -70 loot and at least -30fires from gems, then a loot reduction hero or fire reduction hero. 

Roughly your getting - 80% or -90% fires from this set up.  Add in a fire station at lvl 4 and you have -120% or -130% fires.  The most you could go with gems would be -44% fires from gems added to the -50% fires from a firecasta and -40% from the fire station you have a total of 134% fires, call it -16% fires froma hero for -150% fires in total. 

My fire comm has 90 range - 80 moat - 60 wall +48 building damage (equip specs) and +42% building damage from gems, +14% building damage from the hero.  Total of  104% building damage.  even against a max stats firecasta with decent gems as highlighted above that will have around 150% fire damage or at the main around 175% fire damage you still are open to 25% fire damage at your main in this case and 50% fire damage at your OP's when this puppy rocks up. 

Most of the time as well, if not every time Ive used it, I have 3-4 hits landing at the one place at the same time, people sending real comms and myself with a firecomm, you defend it, your going to get 2 real comms and my firecomm = painful.  Sure I loose my troops and the others do as well, but by the stage people are using firecomms openly, most if not majority of an alliances defenders have ben burnt through and when you can draw themout with a firecomm you dont complain about the lost attackers....  At that point its more aboutt hunting down the remaining defenders. 

90/90 firecastas are useful, Ive got one close too it, the issue isn't the fires at that point but the loot.  I usually run big negatives and if at work for the whole day and unable to get on, I get a few people farming a 90/90 firecasta where I dont have loot reduction ill starve out before I get home.  I ended up going mono stat on firecastas so everythign had -50 fires as close to -70 loot aspossible and 90 range or 90 melle on it. 

You get three stats you can max with legendarys, hence 90/90 80 moats were so valuable back in the day.  Same now with all looted comms, 90 range/120 wall/80 speed or 90 range/120 wall/70loot...  -50fire/-70loot+90range...  You can max three stats.  Its just super frustrating getting it done :S

When your defending with a firecasta,4 slits or 4 LPB's does a decent job of toolraking on a flank against a real attack as well as a 90/90 and they dont get to steal your chit.  Havent had to do that since I built them all up though hence ive  gone with mono stat firecastas now anyway :S.  Last one I teched out about 6 or 9 months ago ??

[4719490] Redbeauty84 (AU1) [None] :: April 6, 2017, 7:13 a.m.
I don't talk no shit someone1000 and your attacks are nothing special, in fact we laugh at your attacks and you actually bore us with your predictability.  Oh and don't forget that the member of ours you do hit everyday like an annoying stalker in heat  she sends you lovely quotes, I know because she shares them with us. and we laugh hard. 


I have seen a good 90/90 fire casta our former leader BigPete was well  known for them when he played. So I have seen their effectiveness.    All in all fire castas are very useful and I do recommend the daily use of these castas, if set up correctly can be very effective and a decent deterrent. especially if they can't gain decent loot or glory from you then it is more then worth taking a hit. and is cheaper then opening gates.

[4719495] Marchemedes (AU1) [AU1] :: April 6, 2017, 7:20 a.m.
Hope that answers your question ELLEHero. LOL.

As others have stated the casta maxes out at 50% fire reduction, but you can easily get another 30%+ from gems. Then fire station level 4 is 40% and some from research and hall levels (if you want), and hey presto you're fireproof. I've taken a  few 6 wave hits with this setup (0% from hall, 125% from other stuff) and not had a single flame. Plus 83% loot reduction from casta (+ hero) means attacks don't really have much effect at all.

I've never been hit with a fire comm though. I know not how fire reduction casta versus comm is calculated, but if it's the same as loot casta versus comm, the fire comm shouldn't be effective. I may be wrong though, i'm sure someone else can clarify.

I think it's a legitimate strategy, particularly during certain levels of the game when you are at a substantial disadvantage to other longer serving players, until you reach a point where you're more capable. Or, in times of war as already noted above. It only caused a bit of a commotion initially as it disrupted the game for the few, and they had to adapt. Surely that's a good thing though, it keeps it interesting for all...








[4719519] Someone1000 (AU1) [AU1] :: April 6, 2017, 9:13 a.m.
RedBeauty84, if you haven't found out yet - I have blocked all your "active" players. Therefore, no, I do not recieve any PMs.

[4719555] JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None] :: April 6, 2017, 10:30 a.m.
Hope that answers your question ELLEHero. LOL.

As others have stated the casta maxes out at 50% fire reduction, but you can easily get another 30%+ from gems. Then fire station level 4 is 40% and some from research and hall levels (if you want), and hey presto you're fireproof. I've taken a  few 6 wave hits with this setup (0% from hall, 125% from other stuff) and not had a single flame. Plus 83% loot reduction from casta (+ hero) means attacks don't really have much effect at all.

I've never been hit with a fire comm though. I know not how fire reduction casta versus comm is calculated, but if it's the same as loot casta versus comm, the fire comm shouldn't be effective. I may be wrong though, i'm sure someone else can clarify.

I think it's a legitimate strategy, particularly during certain levels of the game when you are at a substantial disadvantage to other longer serving players, until you reach a point where you're more capable. Or, in times of war as already noted above. It only caused a bit of a commotion initially as it disrupted the game for the few, and they had to adapt. Surely that's a good thing though, it keeps it interesting for all...

Pretty accurate post.  I havent really tested them out properly so much the same, cant provide that feedback with firecastas vs. firecomms only perspective really.  But they have there place when the attacks are so OP with comms etc thesedays that it just isnt worth defending.  90/90 firecastas are really not the best option for me, for me the role of a firecasta is when your NOT defending...  so the range and melle stats are secondary for the role I use firecastas in. 

Even then, this gives you options, so it would be handy to have one or two of these saved for when its useful for you. 

Comes down to judgement, like everything, defense is a choice in game, more than ever now with the state of the attacking gems etc etc and GGE handing out demons left right and centre. 

[4719558] Someone1000 (AU1) [AU1] :: April 6, 2017, 10:43 a.m.
@Carolyn1 (AU1) you really do talk shit. So much for your defending skills. Here see this -

http://prntscr.com/et3xy7

http://prntscr.com/et3y3m

And that attack did not even have demons in it.

[4719559] JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None] :: April 6, 2017, 10:47 a.m.
@Carolyn1 (AU1) you really do talk shit. So much for your defending skills. Here see this -

http://prntscr.com/et3xy7

http://prntscr.com/et3y3m

And that attack did not even have demons in it.
Change hall to defence.... Still toolrake instead of just trying to hold a flank, even then you were fked because like a total potato you put allrange on the wall, and I get all or most of my tools back....

Oh yea 10k in the keep wasnt that bad either.  Only regret notsending horsetails....

This is when you use a firecasta, when you have NO FKN IDEA how to defend. 

[4719560] Venom (ASIA1) [ASIA1] :: April 6, 2017, 10:47 a.m.
@Someone1000 (AU1)  could you show us the tooling on the right flank (not individual waves)? Wanna see why they would go all range on the flank.

[4719577] Redbeauty84 (AU1) [None] :: April 6, 2017, 11:35 a.m.
you guys are pathetic,

Carol knows how to defend really well. With this case though we deliberately chose to 'tool rake'. Want to know why? because  you needed to see that  we could send defence and defend regardless of whether or not we won or lost. OH but wait our almost 10k defence nearly won that attack.  

you were left with what around 400 attackers? and half your tools?  but also look at the loot practically nothing was taken.  
Now this attack was a 6 waver, we had almost 10k defence there. if we had just a few more members in our alliance we would have won that defence easily. we really only needed 1k more in defenders. that's all it would have taken. Sure we would have lost many of our defence troops in winning that defence. But the point is we would have won. We currently have around 20 members, and seps have what 64? But still we defended the attack. As you can see we are not afraid of the seps and we are more than willing to stand up to known bullies on the Australian server. 

I also find it curious that you would 'whine and complain' about loosing your tools and called the defence 'horrid' lol are you trying to compensate for the fact that we took out nearly all the attackers you sent carol's way? Is that your problem?  That we actually stand up to you and give it a go in any way we can win or loose? and besides even though we did loose this defence doesn't mean we don't know how to defend.

In fact this proves we do. Only thing we did wrong in that defence was to send 1k less then was needed, but what can you do when only a 25 min warning even using our fastest support commanders. The fact that we did get 9.8k defence there in that time frame says that yes you can defend a 6 wave attack it will just take a bit of a hit to your defence troop numbers but it CAN  be done.   So  all of you smaller alliances that have had the war button pressed on them by the seps, use your fire castas and try to defend when you know that you have some of your members who like to defend are online at the time. 

[4719578] Redbeauty84 (AU1) [None] :: April 6, 2017, 11:38 a.m.
http://prntscr.com/et4l9g    as you can see the full amount of troops jjjjsk lost and how many defenders we had there

[4719584] JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None] :: April 6, 2017, 11:55 a.m.
you guys are pathetic,

Carol knows how to defend really well. With this case though we deliberately chose to 'tool rake'. Want to know why? because  you needed to see that  we could send defence and defend regardless of whether or not we won or lost. OH but wait our almost 10k defence nearly won that attack.  

you were left with what around 400 attackers? and half your tools?  but also look at the loot practically nothing was taken.  
Now this attack was a 6 waver, we had almost 10k defence there. if we had just a few more members in our alliance we would have won that defence easily. we really only needed 1k more in defenders. that's all it would have taken. Sure we would have lost many of our defence troops in winning that defence. But the point is we would have won. We currently have around 20 members, and seps have what 64? But still we defended the attack. As you can see we are not afraid of the seps and we are more than willing to stand up to known bullies on the Australian server. 

I also find it curious that you would 'whine and complain' about loosing your tools and called the defence 'horrid' lol are you trying to compensate for the fact that we took out nearly all the attackers you sent carol's way? Is that your problem?  That we actually stand up to you and give it a go in any way we can win or loose? and besides even though we did loose this defence doesn't mean we don't know how to defend.

In fact this proves we do. Only thing we did wrong in that defence was to send 1k less then was needed, but what can you do when only a 25 min warning even using our fastest support commanders. The fact that we did get 9.8k defence there in that time frame says that yes you can defend a 6 wave attack it will just take a bit of a hit to your defence troop numbers but it CAN  be done.   So  all of you smaller alliances that have had the war button pressed on them by the seps, use your fire castas and try to defend when you know that you have some of your members who like to defend are online at the time. 
You dont defend to SHOW people you can defend, you changed casta etc so im assuming it was a genuine attempt to defend not some half arsed effort.... you also tool rake a hell of alot more putting up defenders on the wall that can hold the flank,or rake 4-5 waves while holding.... not just gifting it to me.  If your putting up a 1-1-98 set up when actually defending your fked in the head, I loose all the tools anyway when you win the defence, so WHy bother toolrakign when your defending and giving yourself less chance of winning the wall ?? 

It's moronic. 

When you defend to win, you take all my tools, not the first 3waves of tools and let everythign into the keep... I got all my boulders back, they are 10 times more valuable to me than the SW's etc so I dont care. 

Im sorry this is the most illogical thing I have ever gone through... you sent 10k defenders to show you can defend but then you did such a horrid job of it.... But you actually won here ??  Your tryign to say that this was a good thing on your part and notanother example of stupidity??

You changed the hall to defence, you then put the wrong troop ratio up or wrong tools, either way.... yea I lost 2k attackers or 2.2k, but you lost every defender you sent if your sending support... over 7k of that was support where you get nothing back....

BTW, someone already posted how many troops I lost, its above, it also shows how many you lost...  Same thing that you posted,so I dont know how he was trying to present this any otherway.  Its pretty obvious to everyone that you caked this. 

25 mins is chitloads of time as well, everyone has feathers for support.  You could have held the wall and then probably won in the keep, would have been alot more succesful for you...  But somehow you dont do that and it makes you the winner ?