Forum: empire-en
Board: [589] Strategy & Tactics Discussion
Topic: [331659] What is firecast?
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: April 6, 2017, 12:11 p.m.
One more thing, it wasnt a loot reduction casta etc, it was an ice casta teched to about 14-15 on all bits with 3 CY gems and 1 wall gem.... So it was an attemptto defend here, not an attemptto use a firecasta.
Loot is irrelevant when you take that many troops out lol. Sammys carry fk all anyway and without looking it up most of the troops were sammy troops.
Loot is irrelevant when you take that many troops out lol. Sammys carry fk all anyway and without looking it up most of the troops were sammy troops.
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Freydis (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 6, 2017, 12:50 p.m.
Hey lover boy,
Whenever you come my way,
I will tool rake you in every which way!
Thanks for another fine lesson jjjjjjsk, you do know you are teaching me every time you come near me, don't you. lol
This one brought back distant memories of Lalana, At that time I had no idea what the hell she was on about, but now I do.
Thanks,
I now have that one covered.
Whenever you come my way,
I will tool rake you in every which way!
Thanks for another fine lesson jjjjjjsk, you do know you are teaching me every time you come near me, don't you. lol
This one brought back distant memories of Lalana, At that time I had no idea what the hell she was on about, but now I do.
Thanks,
I now have that one covered.
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danielbannister (US1) [None]
:: April 6, 2017, 1:16 p.m.
Actually, there are two types of good firecasts:
1. A 90 90 firecast that blocks all fires and is able to defend with alliance support. This is better than a fire cast that blocks all loot. Loot is irrelevant to me. I don't care what people loot. I loot enough that I can get it all back in 20 min.
2. The other kind of firecast is a 50 less fires, 70 less loot, and 90 early detect. It will have no melee or ranged on it at all. Why? Because fire casts are not meant to defend. They are meant to prevents fires and make looting harder. With the early detect function, you get the ability to see an attack much earlier and swap out casts. If someone sends a fire commander at me, I'm gonna blow him up, cause even with very good early detection on his commander, which won't happen due to it being a fire comm, I'll see him coming a mile away and swap out and burn him. Fire commanders are effective worthless against me.
Your firecasts are ok, but I'd argue that the early detection is way more important than any melee or range if you only have one of those stats. If I send a real attack at you, your firecast might get supported, which you hopefully don't want, and you'll lose tons of troops.
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: April 6, 2017, 1:26 p.m.
Ive got 4 at -50 fires -70 loot. One of those has +85? early detect, working on bits with early detect for the others, but making themmatch up is the puzzle...danielbannister (US1) said:Actually, there are two types of good firecasts:
1. A 90 90 firecast that blocks all fires and is able to defend with alliance support. This is better than a fire cast that blocks all loot. Loot is irrelevant to me. I don't care what people loot. I loot enough that I can get it all back in 20 min.
2. The other kind of firecast is a 50 less fires, 70 less loot, and 90 early detect. It will have no melee or ranged on it at all. Why? Because fire casts are not meant to defend. They are meant to prevents fires and make looting harder. With the early detect function, you get the ability to see an attack much earlier and swap out casts. If someone sends a fire commander at me, I'm gonna blow him up, cause even with very good early detection on his commander, which won't happen due to it being a fire comm, I'll see him coming a mile away and swap out and burn him. Fire commanders are effective worthless against me.
Your firecasts are ok, but I'd argue that the early detection is way more important than any melee or range if you only have one of those stats. If I send a real attack at you, your firecast might get supported, which you hopefully don't want, and you'll lose tons of troops.
the 90range/90 melle ones are in storage mostly or the range ones have -60ish loot so I leave them up and im not worried about getting support there, ill loose a bit of honor and ive got loot reduction heros. Main thing for meis the food, Icant always get on during the day, soI dont like loosing the reso when im at work etc. I agree though, I can loot it backin 20 minutes, but im not always able to, thats my main issue.
But pretty much what you said above is spot on. The best way I have found as with everythign is to have a good mix, that way you have the early detect ones in the outters, these cant be stressed enough when it comes to RV's. The others sit in inventory for when you find a time and place to use them.
@Carolyn1 (AU1) If the lesson costs you 9.7k defenders, I do hope you learn.
It's ONE thing to learn, its another having an alliance member boasting about how horrible your doing and trying to justify it. Reality is, defence should always be the first preferance, You could have heldthat flank easily if you tooledproperly in defence.
What @danielbannister (US1) said above is a pretty good outline, after that its just about having more so you have more options. Ive held a flank when in war and middle till 6th wave once with a melle/rangefirecasta with loot reduction when the other alliance resorted to toolraking. I lost 230 or 330 defenders on each occasion, but they want to send 32 man toolrake attacks etc ill resort to toolrakign in defence as well. All about having options, preferance should always be defending. Hence the early detect is so important as highlighted above.
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Freydis (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 6, 2017, 4:34 p.m.
Oh, I wonder who that would have been, jjjjjjsk?
Not me, I do not possess 6 waves yet.
But....
It is about having options......
And alliances small in number who do not yet have 6th wave defence unlocked in their halls, like our alliance, need to invest in building fire castas and even though as I proved above a 6 wave attack does have the possibility of being defended and I remember now what to do....lol...when I set that defence, I said in chat....that I was missing something, but it wasn't until afterwards that I remembered exactly what that was.....One of Lalana's lessons with her confusing instructions and had I done that, most likely would have won.
But, support from your alliance is paramount...so to withstand a 6 wave heading your way and you know you do not have the support, use your best fire casta. lol
Set your defence at 33/34/33 just like opening the gate for free, but if your casta is good enough no or few fires!
Remember to remove your resources out and if you are really clever send your food out in a barrow at the very last second then recall as soon as the attack hits, your looter will gain little.
Oh, and losing defenders are not really important when each member of an alliance has 7 to 9 fire castas placed on their castles as you only need a few to survive attacks, unless the enemy alliance sends a continuous bombardment of mass attacks for hours on end and eventually break down your tools and moat defences.
Then, you throw up your hands and let the wolf in to write bleet, bleet, bleet!!!
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: April 6, 2017, 5:38 p.m.
Above is one of the stupidest bits of advice you could ever have for developing in this game... Daniel is in FU, a strong alliance on the US server from memory. His advice is sound, even passes the logic test, Carolyn's does not. I hope what I have written passes the logic test as well, only others can comment on that really not me.
Yes develop firecastas, but they dont win you wars or even battles, they enable you to survive for a little longer when the odds are stacked thats it.
If you follow advice that isnt logical its moronic, like Carolyn's you will never get into a good alliance, stay in an alliance with this attitude and you will never develop beyond a joke to those who have half a clue. That simple.
Yes develop firecastas, but they dont win you wars or even battles, they enable you to survive for a little longer when the odds are stacked thats it.
If you follow advice that isnt logical its moronic, like Carolyn's you will never get into a good alliance, stay in an alliance with this attitude and you will never develop beyond a joke to those who have half a clue. That simple.
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Freydis (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 7, 2017, 12:07 a.m.
Hey, jjjsk...I know you like the last word, seems so do I, which is why we are always locking horns....get it....bleet, bleet...
News for you, I knocked back offers from SC only a week or so ago.
I like the people at Phoenix their morals and strength...which is why I am tied here....who in their right mind would other wise try to find ways to survive against you...and yes I said 'survive' ....I think you have lost your way in this game....power is not everything....friendship, honesty and loyalty should also play a part.
My voice here in this thread is to allow other alliances like ours on all the servers know there are ways to get around the big guys once they notice you...build your fire castas....use them...strengthen them.....stay strong!
News for you, I knocked back offers from SC only a week or so ago.
I like the people at Phoenix their morals and strength...which is why I am tied here....who in their right mind would other wise try to find ways to survive against you...and yes I said 'survive' ....I think you have lost your way in this game....power is not everything....friendship, honesty and loyalty should also play a part.
My voice here in this thread is to allow other alliances like ours on all the servers know there are ways to get around the big guys once they notice you...build your fire castas....use them...strengthen them.....stay strong!
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Venom (ASIA1) [ASIA1]
:: April 7, 2017, 12:49 a.m.
There is a difference in actually defending a hit and wasting troops. Defending a 6th wave hit you can lose a max of 4K troops before you are wasting troops. I don't see how you can actually say, "we proved you can defend a 6th wave hit" when you lost 10K troops and he still had another 400 attackers left.
The tool raking idea was even worse, all you had to do is defend at least 2 waves and you would have actually won the defense (not that is was worth it) and boom he has no tools what so ever from that hit. If SC saw this I think they would consider taking you in from now on.
Also by the time you have 7 good fire casts you are most likely a big players and I don't mean you kinda fire cast I mean JJsk's type of fire cast.
All you have done is give jjsk easy glory and wasted your alliances troops. Good job.
The tool raking idea was even worse, all you had to do is defend at least 2 waves and you would have actually won the defense (not that is was worth it) and boom he has no tools what so ever from that hit. If SC saw this I think they would consider taking you in from now on.
Also by the time you have 7 good fire casts you are most likely a big players and I don't mean you kinda fire cast I mean JJsk's type of fire cast.
All you have done is give jjsk easy glory and wasted your alliances troops. Good job.
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Freydis (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 7, 2017, 1:29 a.m.
Actually Dark Venom,
I did not lose all my defence troops, even though the report shows I did...Over 2.5k survived all the high ruby troops because I have researched medicine and upgraded my hospitals in my castles and through crafting. So in a this way I actually did win in a way....I came out of the battle with more troops than jjjjjjjsk...he left my castle with only 400 or so of his attackers and I also gained glory.
Survival to the smaller alliances being pushed around on the Aus1 server by the bigger alliances can be achieved, which is what I have shown in the discussions on this thread.
And, I disagree with you regarding defending both walls....yes I do that at times, but you need a lot more support from your alliance to win both walls especially when hit with a 6 wave attack and I knew it was not going to be possible, so I set my defence to win one wall...at the last minute one of my members suggested I tool rake jjjjjjsk, so overpowered by the little devil inside...I did just that..but I forgot one very important lesson, Lalana taught me....when all range are coming at you ....defend with 100% melee....it has been a long time since I was hit with this type of attack and it caught me off guard...but I will remember for next time. And, when that lesson was taught I was only just getting my head around defence settings and did not understand the reasoning behind the advice...but as I said earlier...I do not suggest I am a perfect player...I have a lot to learn, but at least I have the guts to try.
I did not lose all my defence troops, even though the report shows I did...Over 2.5k survived all the high ruby troops because I have researched medicine and upgraded my hospitals in my castles and through crafting. So in a this way I actually did win in a way....I came out of the battle with more troops than jjjjjjjsk...he left my castle with only 400 or so of his attackers and I also gained glory.
Survival to the smaller alliances being pushed around on the Aus1 server by the bigger alliances can be achieved, which is what I have shown in the discussions on this thread.
And, I disagree with you regarding defending both walls....yes I do that at times, but you need a lot more support from your alliance to win both walls especially when hit with a 6 wave attack and I knew it was not going to be possible, so I set my defence to win one wall...at the last minute one of my members suggested I tool rake jjjjjjsk, so overpowered by the little devil inside...I did just that..but I forgot one very important lesson, Lalana taught me....when all range are coming at you ....defend with 100% melee....it has been a long time since I was hit with this type of attack and it caught me off guard...but I will remember for next time. And, when that lesson was taught I was only just getting my head around defence settings and did not understand the reasoning behind the advice...but as I said earlier...I do not suggest I am a perfect player...I have a lot to learn, but at least I have the guts to try.
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Freydis (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 7, 2017, 1:30 a.m.
Actually Dark Venom,
I did not lose all my defence troops, even though the report shows I did...Over 2.5k survived all the high ruby troops because I have researched medicine and upgraded my hospitals in my castles and through crafting. So in a this way I actually did win in a way....I came out of the battle with more troops than jjjjjjjsk...he left my castle with only 400 or so of his attackers and I also gained glory.
Survival to the smaller alliances being pushed around on the Aus1 server by the bigger alliances can be achieved, which is what I have shown in the discussions on this thread.
And, I disagree with you regarding defending both walls....yes I do that at times, but you need a lot more support from your alliance to win both walls especially when hit with a 6 wave attack and I knew it was not going to be possible, so I set my defence to win one wall...at the last minute one of my members suggested I tool rake jjjjjjsk, so overpowered by the little devil inside...I did just that..but I forgot one very important lesson, Lalana taught me....when all range are coming at you ....defend with 100% melee....it has been a long time since I was hit with this type of attack and it caught me off guard...but I will remember for next time. And, when that lesson was taught I was only just getting my head around defence settings and did not understand the reasoning behind the advice...but as I said earlier...I do not suggest I am a perfect player...I have a lot to learn, but at least I have the guts to try.
I did not lose all my defence troops, even though the report shows I did...Over 2.5k survived all the high ruby troops because I have researched medicine and upgraded my hospitals in my castles and through crafting. So in a this way I actually did win in a way....I came out of the battle with more troops than jjjjjjjsk...he left my castle with only 400 or so of his attackers and I also gained glory.
Survival to the smaller alliances being pushed around on the Aus1 server by the bigger alliances can be achieved, which is what I have shown in the discussions on this thread.
And, I disagree with you regarding defending both walls....yes I do that at times, but you need a lot more support from your alliance to win both walls especially when hit with a 6 wave attack and I knew it was not going to be possible, so I set my defence to win one wall...at the last minute one of my members suggested I tool rake jjjjjjsk, so overpowered by the little devil inside...I did just that..but I forgot one very important lesson, Lalana taught me....when all range are coming at you ....defend with 100% melee....it has been a long time since I was hit with this type of attack and it caught me off guard...but I will remember for next time. And, when that lesson was taught I was only just getting my head around defence settings and did not understand the reasoning behind the advice...but as I said earlier...I do not suggest I am a perfect player...I have a lot to learn, but at least I have the guts to try.
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: April 7, 2017, 1:52 a.m.
Dear me....Carolyn1 (AU1) said:Actually Dark Venom,
I did not lose all my defence troops, even though the report shows I did...Over 2.5k survived all the high ruby troops because I have researched medicine and upgraded my hospitals in my castles and through crafting. So in a this way I actually did win in a way....I came out of the battle with more troops than jjjjjjjsk...he left my castle with only 400 or so of his attackers and I also gained glory.
Survival to the smaller alliances being pushed around on the Aus1 server by the bigger alliances can be achieved, which is what I have shown in the discussions on this thread.
And, I disagree with you regarding defending both walls....yes I do that at times, but you need a lot more support from your alliance to win both walls especially when hit with a 6 wave attack and I knew it was not going to be possible, so I set my defence to win one wall...at the last minute one of my members suggested I tool rake jjjjjjsk, so overpowered by the little devil inside...I did just that..but I forgot one very important lesson, Lalana taught me....when all range are coming at you ....defend with 100% melee....it has been a long time since I was hit with this type of attack and it caught me off guard...but I will remember for next time. And, when that lesson was taught I was only just getting my head around defence settings and did not understand the reasoning behind the advice...but as I said earlier...I do not suggest I am a perfect player...I have a lot to learn, but at least I have the guts to try.
The esp from when I esped you after I hit is still valid, you had about 1500-1700 troops left... it was a mix of all the troops you had at the joint, not just high ruby troops....
Your alliance sent support as highlighted by @redstupidity84. The troops the alliance sends dont survive at 20% due to hospital etc, they loose them all, nothing comes back when you loose a defence like that. I know, ive been in that situation before where we lost everything. So yoru alliance members lost all the support they sent. They got nothign back, their were alot of ruby troops they sent that died for nothing.
So in total even if you had "2.5k" like you claim, you still lost close to 7k defenders.... thats a horrible result, really really really horrible. You cant sugar coat that.
He isnt saying to hold "both walls"... He is sayign you survive 2 waves on the flank I probably wouldnt have had enough in the keep to win. Reality is that set up I sent has been held pretty consistantly by many others on the server, its a carbon copy attack that I send and gets heldpretty consistantly when im using troops that are not demons. Your casta wasnt that bad you had a wall gem and hall in defence with an extra 11 % troops on the wall from the hall?? You could have held all 6 waves on the flank and not given me a 30% CY bonus. People have held that same attack all 6waves on the flank previously pretty comfortably without tthe hall in defense and without a flank gemon their casta....
Guess what, when you win the defence, I get no tools back!! That hurts even more, as I highlighted, I got all the boulders back so im happy as larry, troops dont matter for shit to me lol.
If you listen to a member sugesting you toolrake with 10k defence in the keep and not try to defend properly, that is just wowzers.... really really is amazing that you are saying that out aloud, typing it even im sorry... Its pure crazy.
If llana taught you to defend all range hits with all melle, you do that... see how it works for you lol. However your original tooling on the wall, that you guys copied from us, when you esp us and see it, you then copy it.... Our alliance standard defence, that would have held it with the hall in defence most likely, yet you changed from that and put some retarded combo up on the wall and got shat on. Just admit it, you caked hard. Dont stress, Jenny did the same thing not long ago and I broke first wave without loosing anything, only differance was she had 25k in the keep with bigger CY gems and I still took out 4k with me.
Stop tryign to sound like you know something or have some secret here, you would get so much more respect for saying, "I fkn caked it and got shat on" than trying to make up BS excusses.
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: April 7, 2017, 1:53 a.m.
added it up for the sake of it, 1758 troops total not counting farmers, because they dont count.... Thats how many were left after the hit.
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Freydis (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 7, 2017, 2:29 a.m.
Ok, jjjjjsk...lol you won...is that what you want to hear...good for you.
now unblock my pms...we need to talk.
now unblock my pms...we need to talk.
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Freydis (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 7, 2017, 2:38 a.m.
Ok, jjjjjsk...lol you won...is that what you want to hear...good for you.
now unblock my pms...we need to talk.
now unblock my pms...we need to talk.
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Someone1000 (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 7, 2017, 4:16 a.m.
@Carolyn1 (AU1) I doubt that anyone in your alliance can defend attacks. Here have a look at this:
http://prntscr.com/etfpna
I am sure you can recall that attack from a few days ago. It was a 5th waver. That was an attack filled with the cheap coin troops. Don't tell me your member was offline. Because I saw the defence being changed.
http://prntscr.com/etfpna
I am sure you can recall that attack from a few days ago. It was a 5th waver. That was an attack filled with the cheap coin troops. Don't tell me your member was offline. Because I saw the defence being changed.
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Freydis (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 7, 2017, 4:29 a.m.
LOL Someone1k, You do not even know who snow2 is...do you?
He was originally from the Seperatists, So are you saying the members from the Seperatists from way back....are incapable of defending? I am sure some there remember Snow and are still close friends with him.
Snow just came on line when that attack occurred...he did what he could in the time he had.
He was originally from the Seperatists, So are you saying the members from the Seperatists from way back....are incapable of defending? I am sure some there remember Snow and are still close friends with him.
Snow just came on line when that attack occurred...he did what he could in the time he had.
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: April 7, 2017, 4:50 a.m.
What was good 3 odd years ago is useless now. Besides, Snow snuck off with BigPete and llana with all that history that you dont like to bring up, or when you do you bring up some twisted version where they were saints.Carolyn1 (AU1) said:LOL Someone1k, You do not even know who snow2 is...do you?
He was originally from the Seperatists, So are you saying the members from the Seperatists from way back....are incapable of defending? I am sure some there remember Snow and are still close friends with him.
Snow just came on line when that attack occurred...he did what he could in the time he had.
Not many here care much for Snow btw, most consider him to be just slightly above your level of stupid Carolyn... slightly, not a really measurable amount though just a small amount that would indicate the possibility of a single brain cell existing.
Abou tthat much.
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Freydis (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 7, 2017, 8:27 a.m.
jjjjjjsk, this is getting really nasty...and I am not sure why...I am not going to even discuss it further.
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Someone1000 (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 7, 2017, 8:54 a.m.
lol when things don't go your way, you try to back out. you rang the doorbell, you can't walk away.
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Freydis (AU1) [AU1]
:: April 7, 2017, 9:09 a.m.
Someone1k, this thread is suppose to be about fire castas...which is what we have been focusing on...you are the one heading into a different direction...Not sure why?