Forum: empire-en
Board: [818] General Discussion
Topic: [301231] Beri - I am keeping a tally....
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pcsurgeon (NL1) [None]
:: Feb. 25, 2016, 7:25 p.m.
How many teams are working on this game? Each time you answer some weird team name pops up in the hope to keep us happy... WE ARE DONE with talk, WE WANT ACTION NOW!!!CM Arcanine said:Everything you mention is forwarded, so don't worry, there's no system with 'X number of complaints' and so on. It's forwarded, then the game team/balancing team will analyse the situation and make changes accordingly.
I see that the coins here are not ideal, and I'll make sure that the team know about this (as well as your other points of feedback). As mentioned in another thread though, I can confirm that the Nomad/Samurai coin numbers are not as low as the current Berimond Invasion coin rates.
Regards,
Steve.
Balancing team? OMFG!! Are you serious?
Bug Team... must have! unfortunately they are so busy...
GGS Aint a big company Steve.... stop bullshitting us!
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NewGavthevillan (GB1) [None]
:: Feb. 25, 2016, 7:48 p.m.
Too many losses, not enough room for tools in attacks, no where near enough coins collected from attacks, bodkins on wall with loads of defenders meaning ruby tools needed to be used still with loads of losses.
So the youngsters would say EPIC FAIL Steve!! Bring back real berri! This ice champ platform mixed with nomads/ samurai is boring, predictable, 1 trick pony!!
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voldamort (GB1) [GB1]
:: Feb. 25, 2016, 8 p.m.
i cant belive you have changed it to the same as samuri ive no coins to play it so wont be playing it amymore.
It was something i looked forward to because it gave you fight for and gain something out of it but yet again more players will leave.
IF IT AINT BROKE THEN DONT TRY AND FIX IT
It was something i looked forward to because it gave you fight for and gain something out of it but yet again more players will leave.
IF IT AINT BROKE THEN DONT TRY AND FIX IT
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gazz65 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Feb. 25, 2016, 8:20 p.m.
GGG don't care about non ruby players and actually they don't care
about ruby players. same mistakes same bugs same reply from steve.
no reply from customer service . will see same complaints when next update starts
next week.
about ruby players. same mistakes same bugs same reply from steve.
no reply from customer service . will see same complaints when next update starts
next week.
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UD1 (INT1) [INT1]
:: Feb. 25, 2016, 8:38 p.m.
Steve , you want honest opinion, i could live with the tools needed to beat Nomads , Samaurai, and now Aliance Berimond. but this coins are discraceful . I know why GGE are doing this, less coins mean we can bye less Wood tools , this has been building . I know it takes an awfull lot more coins to upgrade Equipment this equal less coins for tools, obviously less players are upgrading.
So this is the next best thing you can do stop giving large amount of coins from said tournaments. this will bear heavilly on non ruby buyers , and ruby buyer to buy more TOOLS.
There is no dening this is what is happening , you ask for constructed critism for what for this event but this will happen to nomads and samaurai GGE has agenda and it to stop non ruby players.
Just my thoughts , am i wrong
So this is the next best thing you can do stop giving large amount of coins from said tournaments. this will bear heavilly on non ruby buyers , and ruby buyer to buy more TOOLS.
There is no dening this is what is happening , you ask for constructed critism for what for this event but this will happen to nomads and samaurai GGE has agenda and it to stop non ruby players.
Just my thoughts , am i wrong
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NoblemanRoss (AU1) [AU1]
:: Feb. 25, 2016, 9:24 p.m.
The cost of sending the an attack plus the costs of replacing the lost troops adds up to anything from 20,000 to 30,000 coins.
To do any good in the comp I would suggest that would require 15 to 20 attacks a day at a minimum or a total of 600 k per day and equalling 3 million coins over the event and of course add onto that the rubies that are required.
I cannot recover that many coins from a nomad event so for me the event is just way to expensive and the end rewards are just not worth it.
Increasing the coin rewards so that it is at least neutral may entice me to play it again
I have stopped playing the event and most of my alliance also.
If everyone just simply stopped playing it then perhaps GGE might listen
There is certainly a lot of anger out there over this and now even suggestions players should hold another red flag protest
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FighterJohn1 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Feb. 26, 2016, 12:41 a.m.
Well GGE What will be the effects of the new Beri and Nomades on me?
Well I have less coin. so I can only spend less than I use too. I absolutely wont ever buy coin .
So with less coin I will buy fewer troops, etc etc. My whole game will slow down. and I will have I have less fun.
Slowing my game down will also mean I need to buy fewer rubies and that's great as GGE will get less money from me. That's great because they have messed up the game so much they most definaeely do not deserve to have any cash from me again.
If I cant build coin resources and equipment etc why should I bother to play the game, Its basic tye more fun I have the more I play the faster my game goes and grows and if thats happening I may even buy rubies. The less fun the less chance of me parting with money. Currently GGE have in my opinion halved my fun so I will be having my spend. Come on everyone speak with your pockets. If the games pants don't oay for it.
Well I have less coin. so I can only spend less than I use too. I absolutely wont ever buy coin .
So with less coin I will buy fewer troops, etc etc. My whole game will slow down. and I will have I have less fun.
Slowing my game down will also mean I need to buy fewer rubies and that's great as GGE will get less money from me. That's great because they have messed up the game so much they most definaeely do not deserve to have any cash from me again.
If I cant build coin resources and equipment etc why should I bother to play the game, Its basic tye more fun I have the more I play the faster my game goes and grows and if thats happening I may even buy rubies. The less fun the less chance of me parting with money. Currently GGE have in my opinion halved my fun so I will be having my spend. Come on everyone speak with your pockets. If the games pants don't oay for it.
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Lucas O (AU1) [None]
:: Feb. 26, 2016, 5:20 a.m.
I would like to express my agreement with the general sentiments expressed by many others above. No need to repeat it all - its pretty clear to anyone who has sent attacks that the economics of this event makes no sense at all.
The equipment rewards available are good rewards and its great to have the opportunity to get a good castellan- but the cost of getting it in this event is beyond a joke. Even with strong commanders and some ruby tools, losses are extremely heavy for rewards. I cant see players getting through the event without running out of troops, tools, coins or for many players all of the above. Success relies on spending a load of rubies. Nomads, Samurai and Beri were just fine as they were.
In future it would be a great idea to provide more detailed info on changes before they occur - so we can give feedback. Ideally GGE staff would actually play with the changes in a test environment before they are put up live for players. If this had been done surely they would see these type of problems before it went live. If adequate testing is not an option please at least give us more specific info beforehand - like sample castle defences and sample loot. That would make it possible for players to analyse and give informed feedback. Now we are stuck debating whether to bother to continue attacking this current event or not - my personal leaning is to quit and not to throw anymore good troops, tools and coin after bad.
Kel O
Storm Cloaks (AUS1)
The equipment rewards available are good rewards and its great to have the opportunity to get a good castellan- but the cost of getting it in this event is beyond a joke. Even with strong commanders and some ruby tools, losses are extremely heavy for rewards. I cant see players getting through the event without running out of troops, tools, coins or for many players all of the above. Success relies on spending a load of rubies. Nomads, Samurai and Beri were just fine as they were.
In future it would be a great idea to provide more detailed info on changes before they occur - so we can give feedback. Ideally GGE staff would actually play with the changes in a test environment before they are put up live for players. If this had been done surely they would see these type of problems before it went live. If adequate testing is not an option please at least give us more specific info beforehand - like sample castle defences and sample loot. That would make it possible for players to analyse and give informed feedback. Now we are stuck debating whether to bother to continue attacking this current event or not - my personal leaning is to quit and not to throw anymore good troops, tools and coin after bad.
Kel O
Storm Cloaks (AUS1)
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flug (NL1) [NL1]
:: Feb. 26, 2016, 2:22 p.m.
it's better to attack robbers castle. more coints 
this beri is worthless
this beri is worthless
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DaveHero0 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Feb. 26, 2016, 3:32 p.m.
Couldn't have put it better myselfRighteousFabric (AU1) said:Well basically, the coins coming back just don't match up with what we are spending to get there, especially when you consider the limited tool slots. You have to buy ruby tools to limit losses, or wear the losses and find that the rewards can't replace the troops that were killed. I'm not stupid - I've got a wall commander set up for this stuff so basically all I have to do is put in mantlets which should be enough, but not any more...CM Arcanine said:Hey guys,
I can appreciate that you might not be a big fan of the Berimond Invasion, but some constructive criticism would be much appreciated. Any comments about how to improve the event would definitely be welcome, as just 'we also don't like this' doesn't really help us.
It's not just the new addition to Berimond; going to berimond and to some extent the Nomads and Samurai events now have the same problem. If I recruit to replace troops I start going backwards.
There's also a very important point I'd like to make about the direction the game is going in generally. We are seeing a push from GGS over the last few months to a more event oriented game. We saw the new Beri, the Nomads, and then Samurai event added, and now we have Berimond camps in Green Empire. This doesn't leave much time or resources for playing the game as it was originally intended - a war game against other real flesh and blood players.
I've actually stopped buying rubies because I can't see the point in doing that to attack boring old NPCs. What a waste of money. Let's face it, once you understand how the NPCs are set up and the optimum way to attack them depending on your capabilities, it gets pretty boring on the second time through. Then the third... then the fourth. They are running events back to back and sometimes concurrently.
I'd put this in caps, but I don't want to be rude so I've just got to hope you're still reading. The game is now getting as boring as dogsh**. Battles against real players, The alliance going to war, working as a team to sit some other alliance on their backside. Cut and thrust and real tactics... That's what made this game interesting. I really don't know if I can sustain interest in the game in the format that GGS are pushing on us.
The game is just not much fun any more.
RF
(grammar and spelling edit)
If I want to battle NPCs there are better and cheaper alternatives
The human element is what appealed to me about Empire
The further the game moves away from players and towards events the less interesting it become for me
And its not as if the events are even particularly interesting as they are increasingly just variations on the same theme
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Osiris (GB1) [GB1]
:: Feb. 26, 2016, 5:58 p.m.
As with so many, I agree that Beri in its current format is just not worth the bother, so thats what I am doing - not bothering. I will do enough to feed my troops but as the losses are dispropotionately high I will soon run out of attackers; see little point in recruiting more as there are several days before this ends, and will see what happens thereafter.
It's enough that you have to attack a considerable number of camps to achieve decent rewards for a challenge to stretch people, but for those who do not do everything the ruby way, and even more so for lower level players, its neither economically viable nor any fun. I think the ranking tables are a clear indication of that being the general feeling
For so many players the Samurais, Nomads and Beri were the opportunity to stock up on coins which then got spent in the tecchnicus, so its not like the coins were going to waste.
I find it extraordinary that someone (in GGS) can declare that Samurai, Nomad and Beri coin returns were out of proportion and then give us an offer like this one:
Frankly the values put on a lot of ruby purchases can only have been given by someone having an out of body experience. There is absolutely nothing realistic about them and whilst I accept that ruby purchases should not (necessarily) be cheap, many are ridiculously high. Surely making the game more inclusive in its events and features, accessories and enhancements would open it up to the moderate ruby buyer (or looter) and therefore increase sales
From your perspective it's a numbers game - if you have ONE heavy duty spender who brings in the same revenue as TEN moderate spenders, then you only have to lose that ONE person to have a big impact whereas if one of the TEN moderate spenders drops out for some reason you only lose a tenth of the revenue. It isn't cheapening or devalluing the game - its making it a more viable arena for a flourishing future both for yourselves and for your customers.
It's enough that you have to attack a considerable number of camps to achieve decent rewards for a challenge to stretch people, but for those who do not do everything the ruby way, and even more so for lower level players, its neither economically viable nor any fun. I think the ranking tables are a clear indication of that being the general feeling
For so many players the Samurais, Nomads and Beri were the opportunity to stock up on coins which then got spent in the tecchnicus, so its not like the coins were going to waste.
I find it extraordinary that someone (in GGS) can declare that Samurai, Nomad and Beri coin returns were out of proportion and then give us an offer like this one:
Frankly the values put on a lot of ruby purchases can only have been given by someone having an out of body experience. There is absolutely nothing realistic about them and whilst I accept that ruby purchases should not (necessarily) be cheap, many are ridiculously high. Surely making the game more inclusive in its events and features, accessories and enhancements would open it up to the moderate ruby buyer (or looter) and therefore increase sales
From your perspective it's a numbers game - if you have ONE heavy duty spender who brings in the same revenue as TEN moderate spenders, then you only have to lose that ONE person to have a big impact whereas if one of the TEN moderate spenders drops out for some reason you only lose a tenth of the revenue. It isn't cheapening or devalluing the game - its making it a more viable arena for a flourishing future both for yourselves and for your customers.
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marc58 (GB1) [GB1]
:: Feb. 26, 2016, 6:21 p.m.
Well said and so very true...very gd example of the ruby rip offOsiris (GB1) said:As with so many, I agree that Beri in its current format is just not worth the bother, so thats what I am doing - not bothering. I will do enough to feed my troops but as the losses are dispropotionately high I will soon run out of attackers; see little point in recruiting more as there are several days before this ends, and will see what happens thereafter.
It's enough that you have to attack a considerable number of camps to achieve decent rewards for a challenge to stretch people, but for those who do not do everything the ruby way, and even more so for lower level players, its neither economically viable nor any fun. I think the ranking tables are a clear indication of that being the general feeling
For so many players the Samurais, Nomads and Beri were the opportunity to stock up on coins which then got spent in the tecchnicus, so its not like the coins were going to waste.
I find it extraordinary that someone (in GGS) can declare that Samurai, Nomad and Beri coin returns were out of proportion and then give us an offer like this one:
Frankly the values put on a lot of ruby purchases can only have been given by someone having an out of body experience. There is absolutely nothing realistic about them and whilst I accept that ruby purchases should not (necessarily) be cheap, many are ridiculously high. Surely making the game more inclusive in its events and features, accessories and enhancements would open it up to the moderate ruby buyer (or looter) and therefore increase sales
From your perspective it's a numbers game - if you have ONE heavy duty spender who brings in the same revenue as TEN moderate spenders, then you only have to lose that ONE person to have a big impact whereas if one of the TEN moderate spenders drops out for some reason you only lose a tenth of the revenue. It isn't cheapening or devalluing the game - its making it a more viable arena for a flourishing future both for yourselves and for your customers.
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nrgwrkr (US1) [None]
:: Feb. 26, 2016, 9:30 p.m.
Fair enough. Bigger loot with coins and iron. The others are fine, but coins and iron are not only difficult to build up at this point, they're massively slowing down the game. Considering coins are going to be reduced in Nomads and Samauri, at least some increase would be good. I did the math on a basic hit. It cost me 2227 coins (including espionage and attack speed increase) and I looted 2954. That's only a gain of 727 coins. Also, so good decorative items would be good. I don't mean parks or castle gardens. Maybe something that's over 200 PO.CM Arcanine said:Hey guys,
I can appreciate that you might not be a big fan of the Berimond Invasion, but some constructive criticism would be much appreciated. Any comments about how to improve the event would definitely be welcome, as just 'we also don't like this' doesn't really help us.
Cheers,
Steve.
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scara (AU1) [AU1]
:: Feb. 27, 2016, 7:19 a.m.
I can talk for a alliance that has players that have never bought ruby's or very little compared to other alliance/players and do quit well within game. none ruby player just cant cope with the loss's in this new beri as most rely on coin to replace whether it be for troops or tools just by making it worth looting the camps (coin/res) will make it fair all round.
gge will keep loosing players if they don't start looking after every player not just the huge ruby buyers.. most of the team have been playing this game for years together and I don't wont to see more players leaving or cutting right back. how these alliance's with newer players with out much knowledge or experience under there belts of game are coping I don't know..
Most of us have not continued hitting beri camps as after one day of hitting found it just not worth it. so beri is over already for most and wont be doing it in future
gge will keep loosing players if they don't start looking after every player not just the huge ruby buyers.. most of the team have been playing this game for years together and I don't wont to see more players leaving or cutting right back. how these alliance's with newer players with out much knowledge or experience under there belts of game are coping I don't know..
Most of us have not continued hitting beri camps as after one day of hitting found it just not worth it. so beri is over already for most and wont be doing it in future
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: Feb. 27, 2016, 10:55 a.m.
We dont need more PO... dear lord matenrgwrkr (US1) said:Fair enough. Bigger loot with coins and iron. The others are fine, but coins and iron are not only difficult to build up at this point, they're massively slowing down the game. Considering coins are going to be reduced in Nomads and Samauri, at least some increase would be good. I did the math on a basic hit. It cost me 2227 coins (including espionage and attack speed increase) and I looted 2954. That's only a gain of 727 coins. Also, so good decorative items would be good. I don't mean parks or castle gardens. Maybe something that's over 200 PO.
Get PO from every event, you have got to be smoking crack if you want more PO.... That was said about Sammys and GGE gave us fkn awsome PO for sammys. I'll give credit where its due, GGE listened to that feedback from the community. That is a very small point about this event, we dont need more PO.... If we do, its at the back of the list.
Although this has similarities to Sammy/Nomads, its not a straight up clone, I like the way the dynamic of the event has changed where their are two seperate sides and something else counts towards victory on two seperate factions etc etc. I think that with a bit of development from GGE's end, fine tuning etc etc if will be a good changeto the cycle.
The figures above for the coin required to attack these camps are also just plain stupid. Its between 55-60k coin per attack on a Berri camp in GE atm.
@CM Arcainine
Summary where it needs improvement. (Limited to this event)
- Troops on the walls, make it realistic, maybe 400 all up rest in the keep. 1k on the wall is just BLEH.
- Tool slots up to 40 on the flanks to allow reso players a chance. (Cant stress this enough)
- Coin return. I dont know how you guys do the figures, but higher. I trust you to look into it and work it out.
Positives: (Limited to this Event)
- Your on here responding to a hell of alot of people, that engagement from yourself is recognised and appreciated.
- Good loot. These Legendary reso's are a nice change, fairly easy to get them in GE with this addition.
- Room for improvement, room to grow/expand.
I do want to throw it out their, we get massive amounts of Banners for GLORY from nomads, massive amounts of XP from usign those banners on FI targets and now GGE have perhaps provided a way for us to get good ammounts of legendary reso with the changes to the loot in nomads/sammys (havent seen them yet but its in the announcements...) and also this event.
With how its working out if we are smart about it their are ways for every player that is semi active even reso players to build up pretty well without having to spend. We have to look at these things as a whole thing and I think some of the changes are really positive that are comming in.
The coin changes are what is concerning. Steve, you said that Sammy's/Nomads will have lower coin in the next few events and that is 100% staying however their will be a coin booster of some form with both reso, and ruby versions. I'll leave judgement on that until I get to see it in action and can provide feedback then, however I am holding my breath on it.
Outside of the above hanges to this event, Ill acknowledge you cant do anythign half way through it their are some steps that I can see really benifiting players if we embrace them and work with the changes to get the most out of them. Big thing im throwing out atm is larger inventory, so many event sets already and now more, inventory needs to expand to acknowledge this reality.
Love and kisses,
JJ
@scara , TY for posting as well, appreciated
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KrishnaHero (IN1) [IN1]
:: Feb. 27, 2016, 11:05 a.m.
Hey Steve Now I am Not Able to Shift Soldiers,and Recruit them bcoz of ur new BM , very less coins and as per our DNA rules , i am not able to loot coal or oil or glass to make coins , i request u to please change the next berimond and increase the number of coins looted in SAMURAI and NOMAD.As fr attacking every tower using many skips then also less coins.Never Expected Ur New Update Will Be very bad. Tired of Selling Equips.
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usman7864 (INT2) [None]
:: Feb. 27, 2016, 11:26 a.m.
worst update coins reduction
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Graylen (AU1) [None]
:: Feb. 27, 2016, 3:19 p.m.
ROFL - Nice JJJJJJJJSK (AU1) said:We dont need more PO... dear lord matenrgwrkr (US1) said:Fair enough. Bigger loot with coins and iron. The others are fine, but coins and iron are not only difficult to build up at this point, they're massively slowing down the game. Considering coins are going to be reduced in Nomads and Samauri, at least some increase would be good. I did the math on a basic hit. It cost me 2227 coins (including espionage and attack speed increase) and I looted 2954. That's only a gain of 727 coins. Also, so good decorative items would be good. I don't mean parks or castle gardens. Maybe something that's over 200 PO.
Get PO from every event, you have got to be smoking crack if you want more PO.... That was said about Sammys and GGE gave us fkn awsome PO for sammys. I'll give credit where its due, GGE listened to that feedback from the community. That is a very small point about this event, we dont need more PO.... If we do, its at the back of the list.
Although this has similarities to Sammy/Nomads, its not a straight up clone, I like the way the dynamic of the event has changed where their are two seperate sides and something else counts towards victory on two seperate factions etc etc. I think that with a bit of development from GGE's end, fine tuning etc etc if will be a good changeto the cycle.
The figures above for the coin required to attack these camps are also just plain stupid. Its between 55-60k coin per attack on a Berri camp in GE atm.
@CM Arcainine
Summary where it needs improvement. (Limited to this event)
- Troops on the walls, make it realistic, maybe 400 all up rest in the keep. 1k on the wall is just BLEH.
- Tool slots up to 40 on the flanks to allow reso players a chance. (Cant stress this enough)
- Coin return. I dont know how you guys do the figures, but higher. I trust you to look into it and work it out.
Positives: (Limited to this Event)
- Your on here responding to a hell of alot of people, that engagement from yourself is recognised and appreciated.
- Good loot. These Legendary reso's are a nice change, fairly easy to get them in GE with this addition.
- Room for improvement, room to grow/expand.
I do want to throw it out their, we get massive amounts of Banners for GLORY from nomads, massive amounts of XP from usign those banners on FI targets and now GGE have perhaps provided a way for us to get good ammounts of legendary reso with the changes to the loot in nomads/sammys (havent seen them yet but its in the announcements...) and also this event.
With how its working out if we are smart about it their are ways for every player that is semi active even reso players to build up pretty well without having to spend. We have to look at these things as a whole thing and I think some of the changes are really positive that are comming in.
The coin changes are what is concerning. Steve, you said that Sammy's/Nomads will have lower coin in the next few events and that is 100% staying however their will be a coin booster of some form with both reso, and ruby versions. I'll leave judgement on that until I get to see it in action and can provide feedback then, however I am holding my breath on it.
Outside of the above hanges to this event, Ill acknowledge you cant do anythign half way through it their are some steps that I can see really benifiting players if we embrace them and work with the changes to get the most out of them. Big thing im throwing out atm is larger inventory, so many event sets already and now more, inventory needs to expand to acknowledge this reality.
Love and kisses,
JJ
@scara , TY for posting as well, appreciated
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Stu (AU1) [AU1]
:: Feb. 28, 2016, 3:38 a.m.
I dont mind throwing a ruby or 2 @ the game , but got sucked in to this new beri . Invested too much to stop now . Will be the last time I participate in this event which requires the amount of spending of real money to be competitive . Happy to ruby boycott to get message across . The gem rewards are great = which means the spenders get stronger and the non spenders become easier targets . Not a good balance
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JJJJJJSK (AU1) [None]
:: Feb. 28, 2016, 6:05 a.m.
Cheers Stu,Stu (AU1) said:I dont mind throwing a ruby or 2 @ the game , but got sucked in to this new beri . Invested too much to stop now . Will be the last time I participate in this event which requires the amount of spending of real money to be competitive . Happy to ruby boycott to get message across . The gem rewards are great = which means the spenders get stronger and the non spenders become easier targets . Not a good balance
Essentially the same input all of us are saying, thing here is between the majority of posters it's the spenders that im seeing posting saying they dont think it's fair and will ruin the game for them long term, even moderate spenders. Wont run from the fact that I put cash into the game, nor will others even if its a bit all over the place, all those little bits add up.
As our illustrious great almighty leader of the great goat clan whom was born on a majestic secret forbidden mountain and ended the famine whilst driving off the flocks of angry bi-sexual humming birds VB put it, you can sheer a sheep once a year but only get to lead it to the slaughter house once. BLEEEET!
These updates are putting moderate spenders in a position where you will slaughter their wallets daily to participate, then ontop of that those that dont put cash in are sidelined.
@Graylen (AU1)
I'm still holding back lol..... srsly more PO had me *facepalm*